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it's about time they did something...I've always felt so sorry for the victims of that...

this is a travel news that was posted just yesterday morning...

http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,26069414-5014090,00.html

Well, honestly Men only cars would sovlve the problem.. but so would women with guns!

buts thats just my opinion.. I think its horrible to go around and grope someone like that, it sin't right, by any means.

But lets face it, some peeps are just screwed up.. and prolly should've been turned into soylent green a long time ago

OMG that's crazy If I travel to Japan I will travel with some company for shure O_o

hmmm ..divine punishment awaits them XD

wonder if traps also get groped XD mwehehehe

That's interesting, and lol at the hand straps to show your hands are occupied, are they really selling those?

Wow I didn't know it was that much of a problem that they have have trains reserved for only women and children...

Those straps come in handy... I would say something about a third hand, but since the seriousness of the matter..I'll hold it in..

That kind of things happen here too, both the groping and the false accusations.

Even in our crowd though, people are into that kind of thing, and I've heard people wishing to live in Japan just do it. Its really disgusting how they can even talk about it to each other openly.
Our town is small, and theres few buses, I have a car, so I drive everywhere. Haven't heard anything like that in Ottawa or Toronto though.

If its so common place, have you witnessed this yourself Danny?...

~Phr34ky

here there's more cars than people taking public transportation...probably more worried about pick pockets than gropers...not to mention they probably end up getting capped if they try something like that...

Burn them with fire :( no one should have to put up with this...

I've never fancied subways/trains i'm more of a bus kinda guy, although when i'm Japan i'm probably going to be travelling on these ALOT. With false accusations, sure is creepy to be on a train though.
Why can't it work the other way around too. ^^ Females plotting to gang grope a man.

Need to be more careful nowadays.

Around where I live there isn't so much a groping problem... seems more to be a violation problem. It's taken to the extreme more than just groping. Makes me sad!

wait... so now they have to duke it out with the molesters with nothing to distract them (O_O)...its time to buy a car.

"its a crime to grope and make a woman feel disgusted but not a crime to make them feel good"
quoted ;)

Seriously never heard any illegal groping action in my neck of the woods :)
we have plenty of buses and train here and not a single groping action I heard, only hanky panky act of teen couples
= =;;

Our trains also have carriages reserved only for Women children and Senior Citizens. and that for the whole day.

ugh o_o; how scary to hear about perverts targeting women in group! :O

I don't know what's worse, the men doing this, or the women taking advantage of this to scam people?

Anyway it's a horrible thing :(

Wow... I can't believe that people can think about groping an innocent girl right in public. It makes me sick. Not only that but to do that to teenagers and kids, NOT TO MENTION IN GROUPS NOW! makes it that much more inexcusable! This story just ruined my night, I mean I knew about this but just being reminded...

One of our public transport rail lines implemented the women/children/senior citizens carriages rule about two years ago. Glad to report that the security guards actually do their job, as was proven to me just this morning: a guard grabbed a guy who came into the carriage, asked where his companion was, and when informed that the male passenger was alone, asked him to get out of the carriage because obviously there were only women in there with him.

We don't have Chikan Enzai here. And I've not yet heard of any types of extortion that go that way on the public lines. I think people have other problems to focus on.

Groping doesn't happen too often here. It's most likely do to the fact people here aren't afraid to shout out when there is a problem. When I was in Japan people seem to try there hardest to ignore situations that aren't their business. You can see this when Danny is dancing on trains, and people pretend he's not there.

If I saw someone being molested, I would give a beat down and I'm sure others would join in. Then stand over him with a super hero pose.

Chicken is tasty.

I've seen this happen here a few times, but the problem isn't as big as it seems in Japan or a few other countries.

the police should try working online. tracking the gropers online, gather them for a "groping session", and take them all out at once. seems easy but it isn't though. T_T Undercover groper.

it's really sad to hear this is happening. I honestly don't know how this issue could be resolved either... ;-(

I don't think this happens here where I am. People here keep more space between themselves and feel awkward when someone is standing physically close to them, even if they aren't being touched/groped.

Never experienced that on crowded trains here, hope I never experience it when I make my trip to Japan.

The fact that they organize groups to do stuff like that is pretty sickening...

Being in the military, I am always trying to avoid an incident. If anything happens out in town, it becomes CNN news material and makes life more difficult for the military stationed here.

I have been on rush hour trains. I have been violently squished up against women and schoolgirls. In this situation, that does not happen often. I will make sure my hands are on the "hand handles" up high where people can see them. If I am near the door, I will have one hand on the "hand handle" and one up against the door/wall to keep me from crushing the girl against the door. Of course, I try to avoid rush hour as much as possible. It might sound fun for a pervert but it is NOT worth the extra trouble. Especially, in my profession.

I got groped on the bus before, it was so disgusting. I was only about 14, too. It took me years to finally ride on the bus alone.

No trains here...

Safe!

Japanese people should ask for help =(. Then again if they did, groping wouldn't be an issue right now...I hope groping goes down though, seems very disgusting.

There aren't any trains in my area either.

Subways over here doesn't get too crowded during rush hours so I don't think it really happens much (or at all).

@last pic: that strap is so silly. I'd rather hold onto an oppai mouse pad.

children only... o.o!! even the kodomo get groped?! No problems with groping here... train rides are too short.

Both, the groping and false accusations are big problems imho.

Interesting issue. No troubles like that here because there isn't a subway ^^; A men only car might help. Although it is a bit sad that people cannot respect one another and they have to separate genders into different cars =/
I'd say install cameras all over to see if people are being accused rightfully but that can also be seen as an invasion of privacy.

It's really bad to see that sort of thing happening, especially that people would team up to target women and trade 'tips'. It's a complete lack of empathy and a failure to see others as human beings rather than just playthings. It's also sad to see people taking advantage of the problem just to get money, because it detracts from the troubles of the real victims and could cast doubt on a genuine incident.

I don't really think that having men in one carriage and women in another is a real solution either. Better to tackle the criminals themselves and also reduce the stigma and embarrassment of speaking up than just cover things up by segregating public transport, even if that's the harder option.

This has gotten quite out of hand people fearing to use the train both men and women of fear of getting sexually assaulted or wrongly accused of it, Japan needs to step up more and do something about it as the train system is a big part of Japans culture and the main way of travel especially in Tokyo.

I guess the problem with gropping is that there's no way to prove that you've been gropped. It doesn't leave any traces or evidence.

I've only been gropped once (in a night club though, not a train) and my first reaction was to grab onto the hand that was gropping me to know who it is, and slap the guy. (yeah I was pretty angry!!). Some people might think I'm violent, but I think it's a fair way to remind the guy to keep his hands to himself. He has no business under my skirt, eww!!

Anyways, the pervert tried to ignore me and then gropped my sister right in front of me next, so I slapped him again and kind of made a little scene around me to get some people to notice. Then one of his friends finally noticed and said to excuse his supposedly really really drunk friend and took him away. O_o geeezzz

If it happened in a train or any other place I would do the same thing, and I would shout too to alert other people around. Women need to stand up for themselves in these situations. I think most women where I live would react the same way (shout or slap the guy), so that's probably why we have no major gropping problems on trains/subways/buses.

never heard of it happened in my neck of wood since we don't used public transportation that much.

Train groping always happening in Japan, it has became a fetish overtime.

So far I didn't notice any train groping in our local train transit.

Rape is obviously not tolerated. Or even attempted rape here in the US. Yet it still happens. Some of the best ways to prevent it is to stay close with a few friends, and not just of the same gender, but mixed if possible.

It's mainly more or less, men raping little children or females. It's hardly the other way around.

I can't believe those guys, bastards! I think those women should stand up for themselves as well, they should shout at the gropers to catch them off guard and slap them a few times or more. Man, if this was to happen in front of me I would definitely kick those gropers behinds or maybe mercilessly stick an umbrella up their behind to see if they like it. Guess their aren't any Gentlemen over there, a man who never forgets his pride and courtesy, A NICE GUY.

Don't hear many perversion cases here, and thankfully I rarely go onto trains at super peak hour where people are about to flow out of the train.

actually, i'm very surprised why this practice isn't widespread throughout the world - gender-oriented trains.

1/3 for females,
1/3 for males,
1/3 for the couples

so that we can travel without silly incidences....

Isn't this a problem with over crowded trains?
Here we never have this problem simply because people just don't get that close on trains.
Perhaps figuring out how to load less people/ train will inherently solve the chikan situation, but that's easier said than done.

Subways here are mostly empty so it's hard to go unnoticed.

But in general, it's not too common.

There should be 3 types of carriages: 1.Women only, 2.Men Only, 3.Otaku only (the third is because I hate being in crowds which are different to me) LOL.

Here in my city, there are around 12 carriages in a suburban train. 3 are Ladies only for 24 hours (1/2 of it is First Class), 1 1/2 for Mens First Class and the rest are all Second Class General carriages. Both men and women can travel in the general carriages, but since they are extremely crowded women prefer to travel by the womens only carriages (which are also crowded mostly).

I thought the Japanese have the best technology in Asia.... why not just install CCTV in all the trains... not only on the ceiling of the trains but also somewhere on the corner or the wall of the carriages... say 60cm from the floor level... I've seen this "Chikan" in Hentai anime... it was funny to watch but I don't want that to really happen in really life... pity those women and children... maybe death penalty should be good enough for those who are proven guilty of "Chikan".... those wrongful accusation, that's a bit tricky... in many major cities you will find this kind of species who operated like a syndicate to make money from their possible prey...

It's about time law enforcement steps up to take some sort of preventive measure against such bastards. But as for those who are the victim of being accused... is there really no way to fight back after being accused? Where's the "innocent until proven guilty"? Paying up or serving jail time is not cool at all D: With the kind of face I have, I'm afraid I might be a target of false accusation on the train >_<.

which is worse, a woman being groped or a man falsely accused of being groped? this is a tough one.

but according to Blackstone's formulation by William Blackstone,
"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
we cannot let an innocent man go to jail to pay for the crimes of society. that is not fair, not justice.

if a woman can accuse a man of groping her, a man should be equally entitled to accuse the woman of trying to blackmail him. unfortunately, this is one of the instances where sexism works both ways.

however, i'm sure that in any judicial system, one needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt (i.e. with evidence) of guilt? even a guilty man can claim he was falsely accused of groping. we have to put our trust in the courts.

Gaijins are there to help

If you see evil men groping, burn them.
If you witness evil girls trying to false accuse someone, burn them.

Kill them with fire.

Carry sport equipment, win at life

I don't suppose a Women-Only and Men-Only trains are feasible there? But what happens to families? They have to split up to get to the same destination?? Kinda sad that this have to happen this way... As for me, I keep my hands in my pocket most of the time...

I think I was groped once, but I didn't even realize it because it was my first trip to Japan and I didn't even know it was a problem then. Thought it was an accident, but it probably wasn't. -_-

Whenever I'm in Japan, I use Yamanote line train about 90% of the time. I always try to avoid rush hour so I normally don't get sandwich between people. My tip is that I always stand close to the door and the pole so I'll be standing at the corner so that eliminates having people on some sides. And I know many people will always get off the train at major stations like Ueno, Ikebukuro, Shinjuku, Shibuya and such so I make sure I sit down when train stops at one of the above mentioned stations.

I don't do this to avoid getting accused of groping but I developed this tactic over the years that I don't get tired but I guess people who visits Japan can use this to avoid any possible trouble ^^; But best way is to avoid rush hour, period. Avoid using train at 7-9PM and 6-8PM is my suggestion. But hours where people get off at night can be varied and you can still ride on the train full of people at 10-11PM :P

I always drive my car back at home so I don't have any groping problem nor I hear much about it happening here. Not sure how it is on place like NYC where subway is widely used though.

lol I boarded the female only carriage once with my friend... and didn't notice until we got off at our stop Orz. lol all eyes were looking at us...
There were times when I traveled on peak hour trains and totally can see how easy it is for a woman to blackmail guys...

Just encountered drunks and football hooligans on the undergrand. And some gay men who were checking out my brother lol.

On these women only carriages, what about the lesbians who like to grope? There must be some.

We used to have women only compartments. It would be like 8 seats or something and the concept is that if you had to spend say 5 hours in a train and you bring a baby you would need to feed it while in transit. Naturally such an action couldn't take place with gentlemen present. That type of compartment kind of died when the steam died and trains started moving faster. Maybe it also had something to do with how such things were viewed in general as they finally disappeared around 1965-70 and showing bare eyes were... well not as bad as it was 50 years earlier.

We don't have problems with groping in trains. I guess it has to do with most people being seated so if somebody starts screaming then everybody will look and there will only be one guy next to the woman. Personally I don't use the trains as much as I should because the service horribly unstable (I tried spending 70 minutes getting home. The schedule said 30 and it's 20 minutes by car). However the main reason is that I feel it's too unsafe to be alone in the train and walk home alone after nightfall. So many questionable characters around >_<
Public safety really took a turn for the worse. 20 years ago people didn't lock their doors (some didn't even do it when they left) and today people use alarms even when they are at home.

I think the whole idea of splitting genders is a sick idea. For instance say I want to go somewhere with a girlfriend then we can't be together on the train. Having women only locations to avoid chikan is more or less the same as declaring that it's ok to grope women who aren't using the women only area, well at least it is to people who favours chikan. It will not solve the issue of female chikans either (yes that happens too!). It would be better to stop chikans thinking they can get away with it. Shutting down servers, which tells people how to do it and get away with it would be a good start. I wonder if CCTV can help too. X-ray CCTV could, but it would cause cancer to all passengers due to prolonged exposure :P

Come to think of it I once touched a woman's rear on a train. I was about to pass a woman and while passing her she bended forward to pick up something. Her rear went backwards and hit me in the dolphin region and my rear was pushed back into a wall, basically trapping me. Everybody started laughing a bit because it was clear it wasn't on purpose and luckily I actually knew the woman. Imagine what could have happened if it had been a stranger ^^;

I don't think these carriages would be effective where I am... Perverted-ness tends to be more rampant among the children...

Glad something is being done to stop the groping. But I feel terrible for the men that are being falsely accused...

Install videocams in all trains to record evidence.

I encountered a mentally disturbed man who took out a long knife and threatened the passengers, although he didn't do anything in the end. It was in Seoul and quite eventful although short.

What happens when a woman gropes another woman or a man gropes another man? That's what I would like to know. I mean it definitely isn't impossible. It could happen.

on the train today i thought someone grabbed my rear deck but it was just a man purse brushing up against me lol

im a dood btw

ahhh the days when i use to have my gf sit on my lap when on the train....
but it is a shame innocent men are the victims of 'women-who-cry-rape' syndrome girls/women that go out to pubs n clubs get totally wasted & head home with a random guy for some hanky panky then next morning leave on good terms then head down to the police station as soon as hes out of site to say that he raped you...
& as usual men are treated like scum & the female gets away with it. there needs to be tough charges bought in to protect both parties on both sides of the fence otherwise one party will abuse & extort the law in their favour. such as what we are seeing here.

just because women are seen as the most 'vulnerable' they think that they can automatically get away with murder. & its also the mens fault for treating them as if they wouldnt hurt a fly.

there needs to be a balance, & stronger charges need to be bought in for the women/girls who abuse & extort a system thats bought in to protect them from the REAL issues, not faking it so you can get some easy money.

but sadly as it stands - this is what society has turned itself into,

i want to try a shinkansen >_<

Women and children only? What happens if you're a single father taking your kid to school? Seems a bit off...
Groping though, is disgusting and those that do it need a good burning, and those evil women that falsely accuse also need a good burning. Reminds me of when women marry men for thier money and then get divorced, they then think they're entitled to such-and-such% of that man's future earnings. When you're a nice guy, the thought of stuff like this makes me really sad...

Well my solution for avoiding false accusation of molesting a woman - Keep my hands on my PSP while on the train :3

It's disgusting to see people actually gather together and molest women...It's just sickening D:

this is really bad... and i thought the manga were exaggerating... how to avoid getting accused? i mean if the girl don't own up, are the guy gonna suffer in silence (well, the police won't give a damn given all criminals will say they are innocent)? in chinese we call it 莫须有. the crime our dear 岳飞 got sentence to.

Thankfully here in Germany we don't have this many problems with groping in trains.
I guess it has something to do that during the rush hour our trains aren't this much overloaded as in Japan and so most of the people could sit.
Also I think in Germany a woman would rather scream and/or kick the grouper in his crown jewels than try to endure this kind of torture.

Nonetheless the women and children only carriages are a good start and will prevent a good deal, but as long as nobody starts to think different nothing will change and the campaign will be a waste of time and money.

Such behaviour is not really a problem here. More child molestation by teachers if anything...

What I would do? First, I would excise this 50,000 yen money compensation option. That's not very expensive.

Give jail time, to gropers and to those who falsely accuse others of groping. The first is a menace to society, the second is a menace to the Rule of Law. The legal system is entirely dependant on people being truthful, and those who make false charges deserve prison. How much prison? Perhaps as much as someone would get if they were convicted of what they were falsely accused of.

Men only cars and female only cars would mostly solve the issue, either way. But in a way, it's segregation. There can be too much segregation, like religious schools, sometimes teens don't really have any contact with peers of the other sex till they're 16. That's also ridiculous.

And I feel sorry for anyone who'd try to grope in trains here. Seriously. I suspect they'll get beaten up quite severely, and then arrested.

I feel bad for those men who are being falsely accused for groping. That's so not FAIR!
Those girls who purposely accused those men are as brainless as the guys that love to grope woman's butt in the train.

It isn't really an issue where I live.

Also I saw a great movie about this theme: Soredemo boku wa yattenai (Even So, I Didn't Do It) IMDB link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794350/

LOL traps being groped, they'll never see it coming @_@

Not a problem here in Singapore, but i do know in Japan there's lots of perverts everywhere, even the girls are perverts themselves.

There was a movie on this subject some time ago. I forget the title but the movie was about a guy who was falsely accused and decided to stand up for himself. The Japanese justice system slammed him for it regardless of the flimsy case brought against him and the overwhelming evidence of his innocence. I think the English translation of the title was "But I didn't do it." Ah! Just found it on IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0794350/ "Soredemo boku wa yattenai"

Watching it made me never want to return to Japan. At the very least, it made me want to always keep my hands on the rings where people can clearly see them.

Tney also have women carriages in the Mexican Subway

Working in groups... Now that's really "hentai".

Don't they have CCTV on the trains? Maybe they should let drivers or some other trustworthy personnel alert the authorities when they witness something so that the appropriate action can be carried out at the next station.

It's quite improper for men to be groping and abusing women that way and it should stop, but it's also just not acceptable of falsely accusing innocent people of such lewd acts.

These acts of groping is outrageous! Framing people for money isn't any better either. Gender-restricted train is kinda harsh too if you consider a grown up son with his mom or vice versa, how would they go out together?
That being said...it comes down to the conscience of each person. If not, maybe like Xcomp said, install more CCTVs.

The things i heard...so sad what's happening there...they need to give the guys there a break...

Man, that's getting out of hand it seems. The girls over here aren't cute enough to grope, plus they'd punch you for trying ^^;. And since there are no such extreme sentences for chikans either, it doesn't pay to wrongfully accuse a man either...

I've never heard of any incidents where I live, but then again I live in a small town. I have heard from mates who live in london that its common on the subway o(0.o)o

Gropers on trains lol, try that in scotland and find a womens fist in your face >_< you dont mess with them here.

I haven't heard of any of these kinds of problems on the local trains/trams. I feel bad for the innocent guys because some women are taking advantage of the situation. Some times it can't be helped bumping into a person. I would probably just take a bycicle or something, try to avoid the trains then (^_^)

On my first week living in Tokyo I accidentally got on the woman only subway. This particular station didn't have the English signs that I saw at the JR station. I didn't notice the sign on the windows that said "Woman Only" in English until the train pulled off. I felt my face turn red but nobody even looked at me or made a sound. Quietest train I have ever been on. I got off at the next stop which was not my destination and was lost in the summer heat for about two hours after that.

oh boy!

I don't think there are perversion problems in the US like that. I think it's the crowded trains that provide the situation for groping to take place in the first place.

I witnessed two girls on the NYC subway gang up on a guy. The girls immediately tried to get into a fight him. The one that claimed she was touched even took off her belt and tried to hit the guy with it. A bit ridiculous... felt so sorry for the guy, he was shocked and so clueless.

Heard about thss occuring but didn't know it was becoming more common. I guess the women's and children's only train car is a good idea. Do they have video cameras on trains or not in Japan? I think they would but maybe they don't.

Buses are about the only public transportation in this area of Michigan. In the city one would have to worry more about getting shot or pistol whipped during a robbery. Woman are getting assaulted where ever they are in this area.

My wife has told me many times the woman only carriages are crowded when she leaves for the office. In the end, segregating men and woman can only help so much.

I usually keep both my hands where they can be seen when I ride the train or subway in Japan.

Sounds like you have to be on your guard when on a train/subway/metro.

lol, perversion in public is a problem if you count billboards and the celebs who don't like wearing underwear..

segregated cars sounds like a good start.. too bad people would prolly start crying about discrimination and gender bias..

GG, don't have that stuff happening here. Not much of a train society.

Solution proposal for mixed-gender trains (like in singapore):

Girls.
1. catch groping hand
2. identify groper
3. take 1/2 a step back
4. knee him in the balls

u're acting in self defense, and clearly not after his money.

Guys.
hold on to something or just fold your arms, to avoid being accused or worse, kneed in the balls unnecessarily.

There really isn't much of any kind of public transportation system where I live (just a few buses and taxi services). Never heard many reports or news stories involving groping, or even rape surprisingly.

However, my area is currently entangled with alot of problems regarding both legal and illegal immigrants, and while I don't live near the "worse off" areas, I've heard many creepy stories from others who do. It's more common to see stories dealing with burglary, shootings, and fighting.

As for the groping issue in Japan, it really is a shame and saddens me to hear that it really has gotten to the point it has. I feel bad for both the women and children being groped, and the men who are falsely accused. Ironic that so many people unfamiliar with Japan think the "Beware of perverts" signs in parks and alleys and such are funny when I tell them about it, and little do they know that they're actually true.

This campaign is the good idea. Thailand had some like like this too but It was a bus for only women and children. We called "the pink bus"

in this sense, otakus are safe... They have their hands occupied with manga, or a portable game device...

nothing like this would ever happen in my city, because the women/girls would turn on their attacker and beat the crap out of them. I live in a pretty gritty/rough city. nobody takes any shit from anyone. Our most common problem is crazy homeless people harassing passengers, or high school students getting in fights with one another and being really obnoxiously loud around commuters.

That's one thin g I never understood...I mean, touchin a woman that's disgusted by this and of course by you? How it's supposed to be excitin?
Human beungs are strange.

Makes me afraid to go alone on trains. Or any packed form of transportation for that matter. At the moment, I'm still glad that I'm driving my car, but I know I can't drive it everywhere...T_T

theres a movie about this topic "soredemo boku wa yattenai" guys you should watch this the guy's been chikan enzai but still he's been send to prison because of japan's 100% conviction rate

So when I was in Japan.. My husband and I were rushing to get somewhere and the train was just about to leave we run into the car. I sit down and he sits beside me. Everyone was looking at strangely and even though there was room, no one would sit beside us. Maybe they had a problem with foreigners?

After a couple stops I realize that we are going the wrong direction and we hop off the train, and when I turned around to confirm the train we were on I read the "Womans only" Sign. I was so embarrassed.

I got stuck in rush hour, and I didn't get groped. Maybe I wasn't cute enough :O.

OOh,I did not see the Women Only sign in Tokyo though.... And I think this is a serious problem, both for men and women... Glad I don't have this kind of problem in my country

It's pretty sick, how many men believe they're entitled to women's bodies and how many women seem to have no problem with being exploited, or even think of it as a compliment. No respect whatsoever (no self-respect either). If this happens to me I am going to shout and publically humiliate the guy.

Women are pretty scary in New York. I can imagine a guy trying to pull this off and getting beat up. Maybe they should make self defense classes mandatory in the Japanese school system.

wew...kind of surprised me though, it happens also recently in my country >.<

absolutely no trains in my neck of the woods, but one of my fears is when I go to Japan I'll be falsely accused of groping on a train!

plan to go there next March 2010 , hope i don't get falsely accused of groping there he he he Lol >.<

Odakyu refused to provide a men-only train.

In Indonesia, there are very rare evidences, besides I never saw any chikan case in my local line. Either, I was the victim from other male..

sorry that it has taken me a week to reply but ive been laughing so hard i couldnt type........i think u dont have enough hookers in japan cause if ur hooker numbers increased ur groping numbers would go down....