minori海外アクセスを遮断
エロゲメーカーMinoriは海外からのアクセスを遮断したらしい。
下のスクリーンショットはドイツにいるユーザーが投稿したものです。
ざっくり日本語に訳すと。。。
「日本以外の国は当サイトにアクセス出来ません。いくつかの外国人はエロゲに反対するので、我らの文化を守りため、海外からのアクセスを遮断しました。海外にいるファンには申し訳ありません」
この記事のメイン写真はドイツにいるDe-JaYのEFコレクションだ。彼はこのニュースに悲しむでしょう。
個人的にエロゲはやっていないが、エロゲのイラスト（作品による）は芸術品だと僕は考える。エロゲを好む外国人は、エロゲに対する騒ぎをする外国人よりよっぽどいる。でも串を使えば見える ^o^
このサイトは元JALのエンジニア、アマゾンのウェブサイトマネージャー、マイクロソフトのプロダクトマネージャーそして現在MIRAI株式会社の社長ダニー・チューが書いているブログです。詳しくは彼のプロフィールでどうぞ。
いつも読んで頂いている方はこの挨拶を永遠に閉じよう^^;
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NEET
http://austrianotaku.com/
OMG
Thats's sad, just sad.
Did you try an IP workaround?
NEET
http://austrianotaku.com/
Works fine with a Japanese proxy:
http://austrianotakulife.wordpress.com/files/2009/06/minori_whp.jpg
Trying to block stuff from folks who are living in front of their PCs? Bad idea ^_^
http://animaticfigmation.com/
nice fix hikky ^^
software manager
http://wawawawasuremono.com
hmmm maybe that's the whole point? with an easily bypassable system, the fans still gain access, but to the rest of the world it looks like the company is complying with moral standards or whatever people want to call it.
so secretly it's genius? nyohohoho
NEET
http://austrianotaku.com/
Yah maybe ^_^ Sounds quite possible.
I'm not blaming minori anyway. They didn't like to do that either, I guess.
IT Student
they are blocking it for people who don't. (i.e. feminists that can't use the computer).
THey know that foreign otaku won't have problems with coming in. :)
High school student
http://www.animeraku.com
Yeah, you might have a point. There's no problem if you use proxy.
But still, it's very disappointing they have succumbed to some stupid feminist attacks.
Student
http://rose-engine.org
Aber meidocafe ist doch tot!
Yeah, that's really kind of sad that they do this, but I guess it's also to protect themselves from foreign lawyers...
After all, we can still view the sites with proxies, but it's annoying.
What?
Its not sad, its bloody madness...
Too bad, too bad...
PLus, I am most definitely not having an antipathy against EROGE...
Mad scientist
too bad you can't enter their homepage to give them feedback :P
Mercenary Mechpilot, mangaka wannabee, and an ocasional tank operator.
http://psicommando.deviantart.com/
NÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖÖ!!!!
http://www.luckystarshrine.com
"Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE. Therefore.."
That's just.. stupid -_-
Nandeyane~
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jollepoker
Damn feminism!
Are you sure you're not mixing racism and feminism there?
Nandeyane~
http://www.youtube.com/user/Jollepoker
Nope, it's because the feminists started attacking the eroge market this happened. That and various other reasons, but mainly that. Atleast thats what they said over at Sankaku Complex.
Student/Amateur Artist
http://poisondusk.wordpress.com/
I think it's unreasonable the way so many otaku are just running around blaming 'the feminists'. It's an incredibly diverse movement, and each of us has our own opinions. In addition, I've seen very few feminist groups even discussing this particular issue, let alone campaigning about it.
If you're going to be throwing blame around, then the specific group involved with the issue is called Equality Now.
(Also, Sankaku Complex isn't exactly a neutral source when it comes to feminism.)
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
When Equality Now found out about Rapelay (an eroge full of rape) they put an enormous amount of pressure on Japan to ban adult games. It got to such an extent they're banning stuff like nekomimi and fetishes.
Minori's response is most likely due to the consequences of this group since eroges are mainly for Japanese consumption and they aren't exactly promoted outside the country.
...student
_apparently_, artefact is blowing the whole issue out of proportion. It is only one rating company that's being raped, no pun intended. Devs can go to others like nitro+ or w.e. And apparently artefact is doing it all to start a riot.
^ Not my info, sauce is irc, from a guy who is hated by artefact. Decide for your selves (or do some much needed research)
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
Do you know which company is? if it's only Illusion then I'm gonna rage too.
Banning one eroge is just the first step to ban anything that moral groups deem "inappropriate" even if it's fiction and consequently violating freedom of speech.
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
It's not blown out of proportion. This is the horrifying reality:
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/23/online-dl-shop-reveals-new-restrictions/
Network Security Specialist
Its not really racism, its more like cultural centrism.
Ambassador
http://througheyesfromafar.blogspot.com/
It's both different forms of discrimination, actually.
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
I would happily root for eroge, but its a case of finding more who would too. I know theres a fair few on this site thats for sure.
freelance illustrator
http://www.yaisha.com
I'm a woman but I believe the feminisim groups can do more harm than good for women :(
NEET,no namecards.
go yaisha,although im not female,i support you.
@yaisha So true. I'm all for women rights but I can't stand feminist.
Mad scientist
http://yazor-san.daportfolio.com/
I second that... ^^;
Student/Amateur Artist
http://poisondusk.wordpress.com/
Feminism is a vast, diverse movement, and encompasses many different points of view. It is certainly not infallible - feminists are all individuals, and individuals make mistakes - but I feel that it's a great shame to overlook the work feminists are and have been doing all over the world, especially with regards to issues such as sexual violence.
Mad scientist
My point of view of feminism is that they went all crazy in the 70'ties with "women shouldn't be the only ones doing... Men should too" and they said it about everything they considered women tasks. This means that tasks such as cooking, washing cloth and child care should be something men should do too. fair enough if women started working like men did (remember the split of tasks for genders is from a time when men worked and women took care of everything at home).
The major problem is when they delivered a task to the men and the men didn't start doing it. The result is that such tasks are left undone and now it's common not to do proper cooking. Quite a lot of children also suffers from parents who fight about who will take care of the children, like children is a burden to be avoided.
Sure I can blame feminism for this considering I'm a guy, but I started considering this when my mom started talking about issues with modern children where she blames feminism. One thing feminism seems to have forgotten is that equal rights means that guys can have rights too and be entitled to have a mind of their own. I have experienced feminists who wanted to rule the world and ensure that guys were not allowed to say anything. I hate people who think like that.
A really nice example of a feminist attack is that they cause at families where the mother is more likely to pick up the children from the daycare. They will not care if a family decides to do so because the father has a job where it's impossible for him to do it before closing time. Feminists think it's ok if the father is the one to pick up the children every day though (at least that's my impression).
Personally I believe that it would be ok to split tasks and stuff. If one person hates doing the dishes and the other one hates using a vacuum cleaner, then why aren't they allowed to split so they avoid duing stuff they hate?
I recall years ago the green party in Germany made a law proposal telling that women were not allowed to do the dishes more often than men. No other party supposed that because "it's a question for the household, not the law" and "how do you check if people obey that law?"
Retailerz
I'm so with you. For the most part I can not stand them as many of their attacks aren't even worth it.
http://www.harlaown.com
Just use a proxy, plus there nothing much on the sites anyway its not like your missing anything much.
Now if it was a bigger company I would care much more.
Nicely said, afterall. ^^;
Systems Administrator
List of Japanese proxy Servers, as the site says (USE AT OWN RISK)
http://www.xroxy.com/proxy---JP-nossl.htm
Industrial engineer
http://inotas.blogspot.com
eh? meh, I'm not quickly enough =P
one can simple try: "japanese proxy servers" in google and get a list of possible proxies.
I'm using these one to check on minori's (ph? isn't that Phillipines?)
<http://www.ijapan.org/red/>
it works fine, at least now, and for me. -- demo, wakaranai, I can't read nihongo =/
So, what will be next, a ban on violent games?, why not ban software monopolies? I sure the idea crossed their impaired minds but they don't have enough power or the mentioned monopolies pay them too well. (Amusing and angering news from UK Parliament)
*sigh
Its hard not being into politics or being a blood sucker. =P
hmm.... how sad.
Kinda off topic but, which Firefox theme are you using? It looks rather nice.
EFfin' Otaku
http://www.touhou.us/blog
The theme is Chromifox Basic
Grocery Store Clerk
I had some like that on another site eroge site a few weeks ago. i was trying to get some doujon
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
Awwwww stupid over sensitive westerners who ruin it for the rest of us.....
Mad scientist
This is stupid. Looks like some people managed to kill eroge (specially considering what sankakucomplex wrote). Somehow I think this will pass and it will return to normal. After all no law have been passed and money talks. As long as it's legal and there are money in it, then it will happen.
The ban of more or less everything mentioned on sankakucomplex appears to be a minor issue. It would be like one computer magazine stopped giving reviews for FPS. They can still sell the games even if they are ignored by one and approved by the others. While this is stupidity talking people shouldn't make it worse than it is.
Note: I also wonder if the stuff sankakucomplex wrote about is really true. I mean basically it will ban everything with girls in it. That would ban non-eroge too unless it's a male only story. I have no other source for the ban, so for all I know somebody made a melonpan scaled joke.
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
Let's all weep, Tymmur:
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/23/online-dl-shop-reveals-new-restrictions/
I can't assess how credible this website is though, that goes beyond my pathetic internet knowledge.
Mr. High Res
Actually this shows Minori at least has some balls to stand against the likes of Equality Now compared to the politicians who just give in.
A Japanese company spits foreign fans to the face. Foreign fans seem pleased. "This will show those silly feminists. Equality? Don't they know Japan is always superior!"
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
That's pretty sad. I also remember visiting Illusion's website and they took down Rapelay. Sad sad sad...
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
Though I never have visited these sites, it is sad to see this kind of censorship. I expect it will only get worse before the Web community rebels and starts hunting down the idiots.
Dirty Gentleman
http://cantstanzya.wordpress.com/
Access Denied.
大学生
http://justaskeikaku.net23.net
lol This is when you type cache:minori.ph into google! It doesn't really bother me though. Eden will be insta-get without even needing to look at the CG <3 The art looks better than ef!
EFfin' Otaku
http://www.touhou.us/blog
Hopefully Danny won't follow the trend. :V
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
Ahh yus... read bout this earlier... tis a crying shame... stupid British Parliament... GAWD I hate living in the UK sometimes....
Maybe some of us shetaku should band together and invade parliament..... fools.... giant fools.... :sigh: Gawd its annoying.... Eden looks so pretty aswell... So not fair... damn sensitive types....
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
Spose this also means the eroge stall from the US probably won't be back at the next London Expo. Godammit... when the hell am I gonna be able to buy To Heart 2 AD now???
Terrorist ? =)
Read it on Sankaku, was wondering when it'll get here ~
and finally..
T_T
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
Mmmm I can understand the 2 sides... Is an ethical problem. I think, legally speaking, Japan has problems, because it allows the Anime child pornography in games and cartoons. When I went to Akihabara, I enter a video store, they sell videos of girls in bikini 10 years old, it was not pornography, but many adults were buying ... Why? Been a shock to me...
Video Game Tester
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Xelotath
Stuff involving real children should be banned but 2D lolis hurt nobody. If I'm alone at home looking at 2D lolis or playing an eroge containing loli I'm much less of a treat than those who want to touch or rape real children. This is completely stupid.
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
Mmm i don't thin so. The 2D girls can be too real for some people.. is ok if is a 2D adult girl, I like this kind of game too.---- But 2D child girls is very serious ethical problem... can be generate serious problems of personality in the future, and japan have a serious legal problem with Eroge. Many japanese friend tell to me this thing. Sorry for my english... i am spanish speaking. Grettings
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
>>2D girls can be too real for some people
Then these people need to retrain themselves to know the difference between fiction and reality. Regardless of whether you think it's ethical or not, fiction is not real and a person who reaches adulthood is supposed to have enough common sense to understand the difference between these two.
If one person has the power to stop or ban something just because they don't like it, then any other person can do the same with stuff the first person likes.
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
I agree with you, but the problem goes beyond freedom of expression. I think that when children are involved in real or in 2D, there is an ethical and legal problem that Japan law should worry about. I like to play ero games too (with adults girls). The problem is in Japanese Legislation v/s the other countries legislation. Is a serious problem
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
Minori... To extreme problems, take extreme measures.
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
Ethic and legality vary from country to country. One person may have a set of ethics, while another one may have a slightly different one. Forcing a country to do as you like just because you don't like something is not ethical, is oppression.
I do agree with the prosecution of real child porn because it involves real children. I'll never side with that crap. However I cannot side with anyone trying to ban fiction. As I said fiction is not real, and even though it may offend you and your ethics, it's still not harming anyone.
Let's say I'm offended by some books by Isabel Allende (terrific author by the way, I read her stuff in the original language) because they depict women being abused. It's fiction, but by your opinion I have a right to ban her works because they're "unethical". Now maybe you won't agree because you don't think they aren't so, but that's the problem. You can't just pick whatever you want, if you're gonna defend one fiction, you better be prepared the whole fiction, even what you hate with your whole heart.
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
I am not agree with the proibition and opression... but i can understand too the extreme measures that took in Minori`s web... is a dificult problem... :) sorry i can`t express my self... my english is too bad Hahahahaha!! grettings and this is a real good theme to talk... By the way, i like to hear the Danny`s opinion.
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
Disculpame, si queres puedo darte mi opinion en espanol ^^ no te preocupes entiendo tu punto de vista y concuerdo en que es un tema complicado y dificil de resolver.
Draftsman Graduated, Environment & Interior Design Student
http://www.flickr.com/photos/manuelriosg/
Que bien!! Hablas español!! A lo que me refería es que Japón, dentro de su legislación, tiene baches legales con respecto a los juegos para adultos, debido a que contienen material que involucra menores de edad en situaciones sexuales. se que no son reales, pero en algunos casos pueden generar trastornos en algunas personas débiles mentalmente. A mi personalmente no me gusta jugar ese tipo de juegos... (otros tipos si jejeje)... pero todos somos libres de hacerlo, y no discrimino a nadie por ello. De todas formas, de lo que si estoy seguro es que en Japón ocurren ciertas practicas que están al filo de la legalidad o que la ley hace como que no ve, debido a su alta rentabilidad económica. Lo comento como una experiencia vivida en Japón y comentada con mis amigos japoneses. Y Minori solamente tuvo que tomar acciones que pueden ser opresoras para algunos, pero que son una respuesta a las acciones legales que han sido tomadas en otros países que están prohibiendo sus juegos.
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
Off-topic, @Yaku: XD I laughed when you just switched languages there. Did NOT see that coming.
Student, part-time slave
http://yakuri.wordpress.com/
@manuel: es verdad, hay personas que ya tienen problemas mentales (y que nadie sabe) y que cualquier cosa puede provocar. Por eso es bueno que los materiales adultos tengan un limite (18-21 anios), ya que cuando se en adulto se supone uno puede diferenciar entre la fantasia y la realidad. Desafortunadamente nunca se sabe quien tiene problemas mentales y quien no.
@litokid: hahahaha as unexpected as Asuzas nekomimis coming out of nowhere! XD well Manuel here seems like a very cool dude, he says he's English is poor (on the contrary) well I thought fair was fair =P
Student
Interesting... good idea to prevent outsiders from having a field day with their stuff (like the whole Rapelay incident) but also not cool for those who want to visit the site but don't fall into that category :/
Musician/Audio Engineer/3D Graphic Artist
http://www.bsodcomic.net
One can always use a proxy such as http://www.ijapan.org/blue/ to get to the Minori site.
wishful thinker
http://www.flyingwhimsy.com
as if it weren't hard enough to get some of those games as it is. Silly british parliament; don't they have things in their own country to worry about?
Young Grasshopper
http://miragestrike.blogspot.com
If it means preserving the culture.. -waves- T T
Eroge blogger
http://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/
To be honest, minori is quite adamant in keeping their games in Japan only, so this isn't a surprise at all. It's also not hard to get around, although I don't really have an interest in eden*.
Regarding the future of eroge, I personally think there's a whole lot of fearmongering going on (not pointing fingers). Things aren't as bad as people make it out to be and even if there are changes, it certainly won't come into effect right away.
Student
technically we do all know every single eroge is japan exclusive it was with the availability of the torrents did we foreigners are able to acquire these games so nearly i dont see any problem there but yeah.... global morals and local ethics never go hand in hand
Student, Musician, PHP
http://www.tojikomori.com.ar
Banning games, sites blocking other countries, countries changing laws to get you imprisoned for even personal drawings, all just for "unmoral" things. Geez.
Please danny, don't follow the trend >.<
But the caution seems ok to me. If something is too harsh for those sensible ppl, don't let them see it. Like they were children. Too bad I'm in "the outside" and 'll get banned too :(
NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/
proxy proxy proxy
Student
Their blocked IP range seems to be a bit screwed up - can't access the site even though I'm in Japan! Guess they're blocking educational institutions in Japan too...
Chinese/Viet restaurant waiter, no post secondary
This is great! GO JAPAN! FIGHT BACK!
Well, sorta fighting back. Nice defense? I think this is a smart move. This will effect the eroge community here in NA and everywhere else, but maybe we can start working working more closely with the Japanese eroge community for this kind of thing.
I think its a smart move. Hurts us, but theres always those in Japan willing to share with us here. There are ways to get around it for the ones who really care.
thousand master II, Internet Learner, Auto didacta
http://pipopaz.wordpress.com/
it is sad that a company had so ban a website to the rest of the world to protect their freedom speech for a select group trying to "pass good". XD
Student / Free Thinker / Otaku
http://www.google.com/profiles/SeanSigloch
I think this is stupid, those who have a problem with it shouldn't search for it then. The company shouldn't have to block itself from foreign countries to satisfy a bunch of complainers.
三年せいとオタク
T^T Not everyone is against it though. If someone doesn't like it then don't go to the website.
Custom Arcadestick builder
http://twitter.com/dryrice
agreed.
Student
God that sucks =/
Mechanical Engineer/Traveling Kamen Rider/Dollfie Dream Hunter
http://tcwenterprise.com/wordpress/
But this is the Internet, information will get to where they are most needed. Even with the Iranian's deep packet inspection, they could not block everything. Even if that doesn't work, I can also get my information from Getchu.com :3
Wanderer of the Mist
http://hangmen13.16ops.com/
If this is how much moral groups attempt to impose their ignorant culture and their own version of "the right way of living", then I have no regrets when Skynet blew us off to pieces by April 21 2011. The world deserves an apocalyptic reformatting.
PS: Man, I wish Skynet was real!
Truer words were never spoken.
Mechanical Engineering student
http://sabekujikaneda.multiply.com/
Wait a bit longer. 2012 is near~
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
I'm sorry, but I cannot agree. Skynet robots don't understand moe. They also have no idea why waxing the dolphin is important for one's health.
Otaku Programmer/Gamer/Artist/Photographer
http://argylebolivar.wordpress.com
Sad >__< =3
NOOOOO!!!!!
This is just getting dumber and dumber. Even if they did block the website, you can still buy the game, even if they tried to sell it only in Japan. And also, is it the only site the is blocking outside access.
Student/ Anime Club Leader at St. Joseph Secondary
http://haruhiist.blogspot.com/
errr... gonna have to rely on other sites now. hopefully they wouldnt get blocked anytime.
freelance illustrator
http://www.yaisha.com
Ugh, it sickens me how groups attack eroge and hentai manga/doujin because it is a niche market without much defense. They don't go up against the regular porn industry because that isn't a fight they can win.
Full-time geek/Part-time student/Part-time musician
http://randomgeekness.livejournal.com/
the world is coming to an end ;_;
Network Security Specialist
Meh, just use a proxy. I'm sure someone has already mentioned that.
High School Student
http://scorchnroses.wordpress.com
Yea, I agree too. Why attack eroge when it only contains CGs that harms no one, rather than trying to go against the porn industry? Furthermore, why don't the groups find a way to fight back against molesters, rapists, etc. which harm REAL humans, instead of wasting their time on trying to get Japan to ban eroge which involves anime characters. This is just stupid...
Student
http://justobserving.wordpress.com/
Guess which publisher's eroges I'll be pirating. :D
anime/cosplay events organizer
http://www.cosplay.ph
That's so sad :<
I guess minori is just taking care of their business and their interest which is understandable. They don't want to fall under the wrath of feministic pigs
Customer Service
http://www.shewsbury.com
I hate it when people simply accused others as "pervert" or "sex maniac" just bcoz that other people like to watch eroge or even porn for that matter...
All this thing are entertainment material for adults (and OK, mostly "this people" are men) but just because people watch it, that wont make them go out to the street and start raping other women here and there... if that happen to some "sick" man, it doesn't reflect the image of all men...
College Student
Seems quite silly. They don't even make games that have rape in them as far as I can remember, and their games are really good too! Unless their members moonlight for other eroge companies? And shutting off access to every foreigner for something morality sharks have targeted seems doubly stupid. They probably have more fans of their games than there are people who bothered to speak out against eroge!
Freelancer
http://twitter.com/duynguyen
Well that just sucks for me and many fans out there. I'm a big fan of the "ef" anime.
Pushing eroge developers to close their doors to foreigners is really a shame, especially since it impedes on their right of speech and expression. They're a game company for crying out loud! minori's merely making games that satisfies people's fantasies through software rather than in real life.
I totally agree with ScorchNRoses. Hardcore moralists have nothing better to do than to attack eroge developers, much less regular game developers. It's meaningless!
Peon
a part of me just died...
I.T. Student
http://twitter.com/imaginarywall
Oh how i love Proxys~ =) Not a problem at all~
Student
I wonder how long before more companies follow them...
Space Pirate
I have nothing against Brits, or any other people for that matter.
But DAMN the British parliament and all other governments that are trying to shut down Eroge's!
Programmer
http://benohki.blogspot.com
Am I the only one wondering the obvious?
If it's a UK court that has decided something is morally objectionable, why is it that the source, a Japanese company blocking the international audience?
Wouldn't it make more sense for the UK to filter content coming into the country?
Oh wait... China already has the monopoly on blocking out the outside world. Nevermind. :p
大废柴 / ダメ人間 / NEET
Infact, that Great Firewall helped (and forced) us to learn to use "ladders"(proxy softwares), which is not that bad after all.
Now they are trying to enact a new law, so all PC sold after July well come with some stupid anti-porno software called "Green Dam". I wonder what will we learn this time...
Engineer-wannabe
http://sora-k.deviantart.com/
wow thats new 0.o hope u guys can "learn" something new against this xD
student
yajsut search japanese proxy server and u'll be fine. the first result is pretty legit.
funny thing about the site, quite a bit is in english, so it can be navigated pretty efficiently by English speakers...
Draftman
http://betaimage.mysinablog.com/index.php
My bad news today.I can't vist this web site.
like EF too...
???Confused???
What?! Japan closed it's Eroge doors? Where's Commodore Perry when you need him...
Engineering and Sales
NO!!! I love Minori's style! Well I'll just pull out one of my proxy's. I need it to surf at work anyway ;)
Com. Sci. Student
sigh the world is getting crazier and crazier everyday <_<
2 years to go till the world will end right?
Student, part-time worker
Are other eroge making sites doing this? It would be odd if they were the only ones, but I guess it works. Maybe it's their way of protesting everything going on with eroge and possibly temporary?
If you are wondering why there's a good reason for the good fellows in Japan to ban non-japan IPs, this is WHY.
http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1277244.html
*Prepares a crescendo of 1812 Overture with nuclear arms aimed at the old croonies in Equality Now*
Student
http://situsaleatorius.blogspot.com
Use some proxy?
Student/Part-timer
http://random-euphoria.blogspot.com/
seems like someone on kotaku is a DC reader...
http://kotaku.com/5301860/ero-game-website-blocks-non+japan-viewers-to-defend-culture
with the DC citation at the bottom, though danny cited this from another source.
And well, Im not sure why people have such a big problem with such games. There are disclaimers for you to be adult before entering the site.... Its not different from other adult sites. By clicking agree, you assume responsibilty. You don't click agree and then go "ZOMFG my eyes T_T" at the site content.
This is getting ridiculous really...
Still looking forward to Eden though =)
Kokoro Kotonoha's personal trainer
http://loli1983.wordpress.com
I don't wanna sound like a dick but these foreigners having
antipathy mostly consist of feminists and feminists groups.
But i'd rather call them feminazi's now.
If Minori is reading this, please understand that not all of
us feel this way. I support eroge and eroge makers to the
fullest.
Wearing a NEET Touhou shirt at work to be contradictive
Well I think the blocking idea is a good one. Although we must take it into mind that Rapelay was never meant to be sold outside of japan in the first place. Whoever complained about it must have downloaded it through...BITTORRENT, another discriminated affair of the world. Though bittorrent is great and all, it's what caused the downfall of eroge in the first place.
Also, this game looks amazing. The moment an english patch comes out, I'm going to use some kind of proxy to get past that and I'm going to buy that game.
Student
Wow this is getting ridiculous.
Student
Wow, where is the world going? >.>
Student
I'm lovin' the Engrish.
"to defend our culture"
could't stop laughing at that line! (^_^)
Lolz: "Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE."
Makes it sound as if every foreigner except for their local customers are hating.
I think it's pretty safe to assume that there's an equal amount of hate towards eroge in Japan as there is outside of it.
Such a childish reaction lol. If this is the only way they're capable of reacting: good riddance.
student desu
they're angry
they're angry
>_<
:)
good thing they are making move
student
http://shinyui.wordpress.com/
this seems to be a good way to increase the population of Japan foreigners^^
Programmer
http://whatsacoder.blogspot.com
Minori is just a concerned citizen from japan!
Oriental Blogger
http://www.orienthq.com
great firewall of eroge now... :/
Undergrad Studs
http://hmmmandwords.blogspot.com/
a super bad idea by banning access to the eroge site....lucky there's still proxy "the prophet" who can help use to access those site...PROXY FTW...
anime, programmer, gfx designer, illustrator ^^
http://denkikoiji.com
proxy ^^ ftw use u98 to log in with proxies just for your information it lets you log in with proxy ^^
Network Technician
http://www.myyaruki.com
Won't be much longer before innocent normal everyday Eroge is banned, then ecchi, then next up will be any sort of provactivness in anime i.e. woman wearing skirts or low cut tops (all anime character woman will have to dress like men to not be provocative) after this it wont be much longer before the only shows the new leaders of Japan (the femenist group) allow anybody to watch will be teletubies.
It amazes me how such a small group of people can change the laws of something that millions watch why don't they go after all the wrong things in western country's instead of picking on a country that crimes against woman is much lower than just about every country on earth e.g. much lower than the UK and America.
Network Technician
http://www.myyaruki.com
What really makes me laugh is that nobody is doing anything about it, I've not even heard of one petition or anything with the millions of viewers of Eroge I'm pretty sure it would be noticed.
From the looks of the list over at Sankaku there is basically going to be no eroge anymore then as they say they will move onto anime and manga, so if nobody really wants to defend what's going off then it shows us so called fans of the anime/manga world are just big wussies and it won't be too long before there is no new anime/manga worth watching, but I guess nobody seems to really care.
Mad scientist
Teletubies will not do. They have already been attacked in Poland for encouraging male homosexuality. The purple one is a boy and he always brings a female handbag. They had another reason too, something like boys hugging or something.
Network Technician
http://www.myyaruki.com
HAHA!! that's hilarious
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
"It amazes me how such a small group of people can change the laws of something that millions watch..."
It has always been small groups of dedicated people that have changed and decided the course of history. Large groups don't get much done. The thing is that the "millions" who play eroge aren't being vocal enough.
Student and full-time otaku
Gaah, I hate this world! Why can't they just let us otaku have our hobbies?!
http://darkdam.deviantart.com/
never heard of the site but it doesn't seem fair how everyone outside of japan got banned from it, if there's porno why not eroge
Network Technician
http://www.myyaruki.com
There wont be porno for much longer with the way things are going lol
Mad scientist
China have a law which can give a lifetime in jail (or was it capital punishment?) for making a profit from online porno. I think they made that to protect poor Chinese girls from doing unhumane stuff they don't want to do, but do anyway because they can't refuse the money either.
November Echo Echo Tango
http://pauldy.deviantart.com/
The feminazis and the uselessCEF are now very happy~ >:(
seriously though.. isn't it ironic Illusion, the producer of the controversial "Rapelay" game still allows foreign access?
I can still view their site~
November Echo Echo Tango
http://pauldy.deviantart.com/
On second thought, i think Minori's action seem alienating..
I hope not all Eroge companies follow their path.
I do really hope that the groups who want to curb the eroge, or maybe the whole anime/manga industry as whole, go back in their own munincipalities and try to solve real violence against women.
Maybe they're just diverting since they can't solve real problems like honor killings and maltreatment of women in some places~~
Student & Game Designer
http://www.artificialzeromedia.com/
Proxy.
website designer in training
we find a way, we always do
Online Shop
http://wildarms.egloos.com
Sigh, I guess the decision is based on what happened recently from Illusion's Raplay incident in UK. Rather sad to see that event affecting the whole eroge industry as a whole.
Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 触手 wrangler, H-Man
http://lightningsabre.blogspot.com/
It's really unfortunate they take this measure. A lot of Japanese creators do like to have their work exposed to as many people as possible, even surprised to be even popular outside of Japan. With this kind of attitude they lose some of that possibility to expand their creation and expose their culture to the world. Can't say I blame them after what's been happening there because of some extremists on this side of the world... I can understand why they were closed up to the world back in the 16th century (sorry, don't really remember my history).
Life's just got a bit boring
Student
Stupid narrow minded politicians strike again. Why do they keep 'attacking' anime/manga and sorts. They should deal with real problem first in stead of making things like this happen.
student
http://sikibuton.blogspot.com/
sorry.
one's Japanese...
SOHO?
http://helveticaworks.blogspot.com/
I think about Minori blocked access from oversea's visiters.
It had to take such action in Japan is a very unfortunate situation, I think the loss of overseas fans.
However, the capture as a racist and I think this is wrong.
Outset of our problems in the first place is not the suppression of the Japanese culture by human rights groups in the United Kingdom.
To eliminate the geek culture, foreign fans for the protest groups - that would fan the Japan of course - is not without protest.
To protest the logical explanation of the culture, our protest will have to explain to you that it is not irrelevant.
Software House also covering the loss of Japan, had been able to develop freely.
The layoffs have been shutdown.
Overseas fans who read the first sentence should be aware of this.
This measure is the measure of necessity, the action is not rooted in racism.
Minori is not who you lightly. Should understand it to say that last resort.
Protest and myopic thinking, I wish they would not enforce the measures.
Their ideas well, and I want a logical end to what it was?
On such protest at the idea of where you want to act calmly.
The fans also know the situation in Japan has been lamented that upset.
Much Love to the fans from the fans of Japan for Overseas fans.
However, this sentence may have been something wrong with the sentence for machine translation.
Then he pointed out.
I am also learning to be, as well as enlightening.
Powered by Google tranceration.
CEO MIrai Inc
http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/
日本語のカキコOKですよ！
SOHO?
http://helveticaworks.blogspot.com/
そうなんですか？
必死に機械翻訳かけて、手直しした文章でしたが"""(^_^;)"""
Dance Trooper: DCX-001 O.D.E. (Order of the Dancing Empire)
http://dannychoo.com.my
Well then, fear not! All we have to do is get a proxy IP ^_^
Nekophilia
Proxy, GO!
大学の学生 １st year
http://otakunaka.blogspot.com/
I got two words *IP Blocker!!* ...or is that 3 words since IP is an acronym...anyway to those people that are offended...what are you doing on that site then? If you are offended stay away its clear and simple as that you don''t go to teh site just to be enraged by whatever you see..>_>
Mechanical Engineering student
http://sabekujikaneda.multiply.com/
I find this rather hilarious. People these days want world unification. They fight to rid the world of traditions that have no place in the modern world. In other words, they're forcing their beliefs on other people, changing the cultures of other countries. They do not think twice about the locals who practice these traditions. All they want is a modern, scientific and united world.
Now, when the world finally starts to eliminate something as one united force, these same people complain. I'm talking about SOME people here who are complaining about the actions of the Japanese government in response to the orders of the feminist group Equality Now. So, now that SOME of you got what you want, how does it feel?
BTW I'm against Minori's response towards this little issue, if some of you are wondering~
trainee at German Telekom
http://grew.themania.org/
Well, I think that is a good idea.
Because not noone can say: "Ban your Games! We don't want them!"
But it's quite a bit sad.
Polytechnic Junior, Bronze Lifesaving Trainee, Mech Designer In-training.
http://thehangerbay.wordpress.com/
*quack* DENIED!
Well, anyone who's had experience playing eroge would most likely know how to work around the problem using all sorts of nifty networking. No harm here. :)
studying comp studies, planning to look for part time job
http://bruneian-otaku.blogspot.com
right! time to get proxy IP...and how to do that again? LOL its been a long time I didn't do it XD nyeh~ doesn't matter.
IT-Architect, SysAdmin, WebDesign and Coding, Virtualization (VMware + NetApp)
http://www.milkdrop.de/
I never played a Eroge, but this friggin censorship madness worldwide gets seriously on my nerves...
Sure a proxy can fix certain things, yet the signal they send out by censoring or "banning" things is just... bah.
It seems to happen recently all around europe like mad and it just makes me want to depart for japan even faster where there are the most less hinderances to get what i want. :/
Daigakusei [Consular and Diplomatic Affairs]
http://dixinfernal.wordpress.com
Why oh Why!??!?!
where's the freedom of the people?
damned censorship!
T_T T_T T_T
Student
I wonder after all this time they decided to go for this. What's their angle? Why do they need a scapegoat?! I SENSE CONSPIRACY!!!
IT Architect
Easy enough to work around with a proxy, but that's a dangerous precedent.
I.T. Technician
Thats just wrong! but Right!
I dont know... Im confused!
VP
http://almostotaku.fm
I am all for preserving Japanese culture. So from that angle I am all for it. As long as you can work around it it's not too big a deal.
Student
http://shockerz.wordpress.com/
This is only sad for those who don't know how to work around it. It's pretty easy actually you just need a Japan proxy service to reroute you and that's it. Well, that's what I did for most of the time when I can't access a site that is blocked by IP.
T_T no thanks to those feminist group the site ended up in this state.
Student, Uncle & hopfully a good husband..
That is just so sad...
student
http://zephi-san.deviantart.com/
I don't really mind it... first, I'm not interested in this sorta stuff. unfortunately.
second, I hate the fact that the Japanese culture is over-spreading worldwide now. Back when I first got in to Japanese culture, that was like 10 years ago... and back then I knew no one else who was interested in anime, manga and eroge etc...
Nowadays possibly 2/3 people would have/had a liking towards anime, manga, or eroge etc.
Kinda sux, cuz back then I considered it one of those hobby/interest where no one else was interested in.
For me... I considered it to be cool to be able to watch anime with Japanese audio with eng subs. Whereas all my friends are stuck with the english dubbed crap.
Anime Store Owner, artist, Web master
http://www.chucksanimeshrine.com
It's a great way for a company to nail their own coffin but I agree that foreign, ass-backwards thought (like the evil fundamentalists Christians in America and parts of Asia or good old Islamic terrorist conservatives in the mid east) has gotten so pathetic that it would drive a company to centralize their culture.
Anime Store Owner, artist, Web master
http://www.chucksanimeshrine.com
I'm not stupid, so I'll just use a proxy if I ever do want to use their site. I'm not bashing Christians and Islam in my prev. comment...just evil fundamentalists who hate anything different and are the epitome of evil.
Illustrator
http://www.collateralds.com
RESPECT! MINORI! RESPECT!
Student
http://anime.tedfox.com/
ahh well, their loss. not entirely too interested in eroge anyway hurhur
IT Administrator
Orz
It will be so SAD for me...although I don't play too much HG, but I like there character and their stories!
Just STUPID for those foreign "human right" organization...
And also sad that many words is banned from eroge...
Student
I'm sorry that such circumstances happened as to prompt this action, though I think the action itself is meaningless.
University Student
i totally didn't know there was going to be another season of EF. that's awesome. loved the first one. the opening looks pretty stellar, with great quality. ohh mang!
University Student
just found of there was one before melodies... i have some catching up to do. haha
Aero Engineer, Harper
Yes, you do.
Everybody's tastes differ, but I consider "ef- a tale of memories" one of the top 5 artistic animes of the decade.
University Student
I finished watching memories. It was super good. Definitely one of the best animes i've watched. I really like this type of show - has some substance in the lines, and the visuals supporting the themes - it just kinda pulls you in.. Man, geat show...
Dental Technician, i make teeth!
http://antsizedman.blogspot.com/
"To defend our culture" sounds like it straight out of Macross.
Damn the idiot who put that damn game on Amazon, of course people at work now think i some sort of wierd cartoon sex guy.
Video Game Design Student / Monster Hunter
:O Is there no justice in this world?!
unemployed machinist.. yeah
Well.. Ain't that stupid.
Browsed most of the comments.. People blaming different people. Femminists.. racists.. Anti establishmentarinism..... Yadda yadda yadda.
So I'm throwing in my Blame!!! I blame! Us!
Yes US! Why Us. Lets face it.. We are the sources of our own problems.. We don't exactly put on the happy happy come join us.. face. We sit behind our computer monitors.. and wank off!! For christ sake.
This tends to make, most people.. Angry! And scared.. and worried.. We are the future!! A bunch of wankers playing with themselves to 2D girls! Though.. Honestly.. It could be worse.
So.. We know we can get around Minori's website ban, which they prolly did on purpose to make a statement. But lets face it.. Feminism, Fascism,.. Crackmonkeyism.... etcetcism.. AIn't going to care, they want to make the world a puritinical version of itself so that way everyone can love and be free and happy! Or so they think. So if your still reading ^_^
What can you do to help the cause against this.. and make it so we can blame them.. not us to blame!! Show the kids more porn!!! Yes folks, be what your parents always were afraid of.. that guy that gives the grade schoolers porn.. Just don't get caught!
Computer science student
Yay China 2 with firewall out of the box is born!!
College Freshmen
Not that I visit their site anyway, but at least some of the blame has to be with the japanese themselves for wanting to pass the legislation.
Research & Development Engineer
This is what is considered a Strawman Victory. The fascists got what they think they deserved, and now the market has further removed itself from prying eyes. People should know the chilling effects of banning things. Look at Germany! First they started banning Nazi symbology, then games with violent content, and now websites they deem "inappropriate" which seemed to be a lot of websites criticizing Germany for censoring the internet forcibly.
Once you gives these people a victory, they will go after EVERYTHING! People need to fight for the free speech! Dont let fascists take that away from you!
Student (Programing, Streaming, Gaming)
Hahha, I laugh at stupidity and insaneness. But its bloody bogus that I can't view the site, I like the anime you got in the picture.
90's F1 Afficionate and Anti-Otaku
http://www.livestream.com/f1action
Anonymise it and their lawsuits will come lookin' 4 ya!
Slacker
Anyone can enter the site through a proxy, it mostly a way of protesting the unfair treatment their industry is getting abroad.
Even on the actual page they have this on the very bottom:
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan. / 本サイトで提供される内容は全て日本国内向けです。
Graphic Designer
Recent trends pointed to this type of "sensorship" occuring . . . but the pendulum will swing the other way.
Until then . . . we will miss what is kept from us!
Game Designer
http://Satellite-Stage.net
The whole ban/censorship is so ridiculous. I find I really hate people that concern themselves with things that will never affect the.
http://nopybot.com
I hope that doesn't last >.>
Retailerz
No! NO! Not Minori! I wanted to see updates on Eden*!!!!! God U-U I hope Key doesn't do it or I'll flip
College student
sad..very sadding..though dosen't this like you know fall under that internet thing >-> for free speech xD though it is based in another country..but they could just reopen it for amercian users >-<; we go free speed i don't like the idea of having content blocked because of some crazy thing XD if i wish to look at then let me look at it!!!! AHHHHHHH!
Close-protection officer/Martial artist
This is an outrage! Now what are lonely boys going to do when their girlfriends are busy?! :( This cannot be happening! :O
student
wait where is my comment why did it get deleted ??????????
anime + games collector
that soooo blows may as well try a proxy.
Exostential mouse herder
http://www.yousaytoo.com/big65mopar?8530
I don't know much about eroge other than the term coming around since I joined DC back in January but if all of eroge is symptomatic of what can be found in rapelay then I am fully for its banning as a medium. It's one thing to produce a product such as hentai or afro samurai but does society world wide or even in one city need to have a product or medium that not only displays rape and murder but up plays it to the point that the entire basis of it is rape and violence and murder against women and children? Can anyone actually defend that with a conscious because I know I can't defend it even as an art form which there is no way you can attach idea of art to this.
Comic Shop Owner
troll better.
Exostential mouse herder
http://www.yousaytoo.com/big65mopar?8530
Figures, I post my own argument against eroge if it is something that follows along the lines of this rapelay game and why I would not have a problem with it being banned because of what it entails and promotes and I get labeled a troll by someone who is doing exactly what he is accusing me of. If your all for it then try presenting a better argument than name calling and giving a work around to getting to the eroge websites.
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
Okay, both of you stop right there.
@Y10NRDY: Valdemar is in no way trolling here. What I see is an argument or at least view presented clearly - a troll doesn't do that. If you disagree with the content, then please present worded counterarguments rather than a short line.
@Valdemar: Eroge refers to games, generally visual novels but also others, with any kind of erotic material. Rapelay is actually on the fringes of that, so it is in fact not a constitutive example of eroge as a whole. Most eroge in fact present scenarios with two fully willing participants. Or more than two. ^^;
Comic Shop Owner
lrn 2 proxy. no srsly. still something must be done to circumvent the white knights' rape of my beloved rape games. lol.
Eroge blogger
http://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/
YuzuSoft has followed minori and blocked foreign IPs too. I'm sure some other companies will do the same. It makes sense from their perspective and they probably understand that while it will hurt foreign fans, it will be a better short-term choice to deal with the politics side. minori has already acknowledged foreign fans and wants their support. Besides, you can use proxies to get in easily so it's only a minor inconvenience.
IT tech support
http://www.quazacolt.com
Oh wow, that Ef OP is just, win.
Retailerz
You should see EF the latter tale now that is even more epic!
IT tech support
http://www.quazacolt.com
the latter tale is the eroge sequel? or the movie? (its a tad bit confusing with so many ef "names" and then split between eroge and anime
Otaku / Student in Networking
http://hayasaki-kun.blogspot.com/
O_O;;;;
Ninja / Engineer / Sensei / 魔法少女 (What!?! I can't be, I'm a guy...)
Interesting. But for those who are determined, there are always ways around that. XD
Art Student/Freelancer
http://jenarwen.deviant.art.com
I hate websites that block you based on your country! Thank goodness for the wonders of proxy browsing!
Technical Support
http://www.renzohernandez.com
what ???
www is for all people.... too bad
大学生
That's sad, I really enjoyed the ef anime.
Current Japanese situation
To our regret, an English version of the summary of the regulatory problem was not able to be made.
This sentence is made by using the translation website.
Therefore, please agree that there is a possibility to give a false impression to you who are reading, too.
Game restriction details summary
http://www28.atwiki.jp/erogekisei/
Lie "Japan is a child pornography large country".
http://icc-japan.blogspot.com/2008/11/blog-post_28.html
The Diet relay
http://www.shugiintv.go.jp/jp/video_lib3.php?deli_id=39900&media_type=wb
There are two problems about the bill of the restriction of the child pornography of this Japan.
1.The investigation is not made visible like being quite vague the standard of a pertinent restriction,
and the problem of the government party bill that can be done in the crime in simple maintenance.
2.The creation of two dimensions (game and cartoon, etc.) that is the product of the delusion where
the direct harm person doesn't exist is problems of the opinion that it is necessary to put it in the object of this restriction.
Regretting personally : the simple maintenance problem of one.
It is what TV and the press report organization in Japan do not try to tell Japanese citizen strangely.
Whether a virtual press restriction is being put by the government party is guessed.
It would be greatly appreciated if it could cooperate because of the freedom of wholesome democracy and the expression.
日本語もOK？との事なので日本語でも失礼をば。ダニーさんの経歴にちょっと興味が出たんでプロフィール見させて頂きました。
それだけ手広くアジアの言語を話せるというのは凄いですね。自分は日本語すらまともに話せているか怪しいｗ
さて、英語に翻訳したコメントの通り(この翻訳でまともに伝わるかは別にして)、色々と酷い状況です。
EROGEの規制に限って言えばすぐにどうこうと言う訳でもありません。が、自主規制は既に入ってしまってますので
今後、当面の間はその自主規制のガイドラインに従って(コンピュータソフトウェア倫理機構)出さざるを得ない状況です。
他にも審査団体があるにはあるのですが、そこも先行き不透明で完全な解決策とはならないでしょう。
アクセスの遮断については、残念に思います。日本国内でのゴタゴタが収束するまでは、海外からのアクセス遮断についても
続くかも知れません。いくらproxyを通せば見えるとは言っても、逆に海外から日本だけ弾かれたら良い気分はしませんし。
最後になりますが、上の英文は、日本国内の現状を少しでもいいので知って貰おうという意図の下に書かれております。
翻訳サイトを通しての文章なので如何せん英語圏の方々には読み辛いかと思いますし、紹介しているサイトも日本語の物ばかりです。
本来なら、規制問題のまとめだけでも英文化をと考えるべきなのですが、英語をまともに話せませんでしたので妥協する以外にありませんでした・・。
乱文・長文となりました事をお詫び申し上げます。
JR. College Student
http://npc.talkingincircles.net/
I don't blame them really. We can just use a Japanese proxy anyway.
Student
http://www.belleonanime.com
I think this whole thing is ridiculous. I really hope that stupid parliament isn't going to have that much of an impact ><
Student/Amateur Artist
http://poisondusk.wordpress.com/
Yeah, I think in their rush to find someone to blame, a lot of people are forgetting about the idiot who thought it would be a good idea to put a game about rape on a mainstream shopping website in the UK.