新しいマックが出た
今現在アメリカのアップルストアが更新されました。新しいマックでましたね。Mac miniが安い！
更新:日本のアップルストアが更新されました。
Mac Mini
2.0GHz : 120GB $599.00
2.0GHz : 320GB $799.00
Mac Pro
Quad-Core (One 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processor) $2,499.00
8-Core (Two 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon "Nehalem" processors) $3,299.00
iMac
20-inch : 2.66GHz $1,199.00
24-inch : 2.66GHz $1,499.00
24-inch : 2.93GHz $1,799.00
24-inch : 3.06GHz $2,199.00
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Looking for Work
I wish they'd update the MacBook's/Pro's with a Matte screen option, I don't like Glossy! >_<
Here's wishing...
Graphic Designer
on the macbook pro's you can get a matte screen for +$50
Web Developer
http://www.twitter.com/SteveKeys
Unfortunately, the matte option is simply an overlay, and it kind of ruins the design of the machine :(
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
Unfortunately you're wrong. The matte option, or as Apple calls it "anti-glare"... They actually take off the glass cover from the screen and replace it with a regular aluminum border as on the previous generation and the MacBook Air. :)
Student
"ruins the design" can't understand data, machines must be ugly so they look powerful
Otaku, CNS / IT student
Ive been using windows for far too long. Ive recently moved into the linux OS area about a year ago and I havnt looked back. Im going to get the mac mini and try it out. Im sure I'll like it as I dont need my gaming rig anymore. Im sorry to say that I've grown out of my gaming roots and need something that will just produce a steady and easier work experience.
Kitchen Grunt
8 core? I didn't know putting two processors in a single machine was possible...
average highschool geek
http://sijepeuxrecommencer.blogspot.com/
was done long time ago...
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
Welcome to 1990 or so? :p
Figurine Collector
http://www.otaku-life.com
Wow.. 8 core? That is something new..
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
It's really not
Graphic Designer
Actually not at all – I've been running on one for over a year.
Com. Sci. Student
"like the other"
what the its 8 core now?
and i thought the latest is quad core...
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
8-core has been around for a while now with dual processor Xeon solutions (two CPU sockets on the motherboard). Its only now that Apple finally decided to implement it.
Student!
http://zh3us.wordpress.com/
the older Mac Pros had 8 cores too... Server boards ~_~
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
My bad, didn't do my research before answering. It seems everyone was making a big deal out of it so I assumed that they hadn't done this before. 6-core single processor Intels are going to be out next year as well (allowing for 12-core dual processor solutions), so this is really nothing special.
otaku-ist
http://myanimelist.net/profile/mel
It's 2 intel quads.
No more NEET, enineering student now...g
http://saiseki.blogsome.com/
I'll stick to my laptop for now. Don't see the need for me to change computer so frequently. And omg 8core now? Amazing ^^
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Apple finally upgrades to the Nehalem architecture, welcome to last year (I upgraded my Core i7 940 to a Core i7 965 recently, wanted to see what I could do with an unlocked multipler for overclocking). I wonder if you can hyperthread the Xeon Nehalems like you can with the i7, leaving you with 16 logical cores in the 8-core machine. Although the configuration options are still excessively weak for the price. I mean, the NVIDIA GT 120 as the graphics card? That's just a rebranded 9600, its not even based on the new GT200 cores found in the GTX 285 and GTX 295. For the price, that's a very weak graphics solution. Ah well, leave it to Apple to charge you out the wazoo for a professional workstation and give you a mid-tier graphics solution to go with it. The Tri-SLI option still doesn't make up for the fact that the cores themselves are still very weak.
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
Honestly, Apple has always been known for being the best mid-ranged computer brand out there. And comparing it to a higher range computer is nothing less than comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Toyota Prius.
Meaning that the Yaris, while has great mileage and options for a mid-priced car... It is nothing compared to the Prius, especially with the best options it can get.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Except in this case, the Yaris costs more than the Prius. At the price range, that Mac Pro should be considered a high-end machine, not a mid-range computer, yet they are slapping a low-to-mid-range graphics solution inside it.
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
Actually, you are wrong in both cases.
Yaris starts ate $12,205 and gets an estimated 26/36 in terms of gas mileage. A Prius starts at $22,000 and gets an estimated 48/45 in terms of hybrid mileage.
Also, you completely disregarded how the market works by talking about money. Simply because Apple is their own market when it comes to the OS X and now offers the hybrid OS X/Windows option. Thus, makes it a Prius quality Yaris at a Prius price.
A PC, however, is broader in competition and can afford to have three ranges. Simply because they go by a more simple standard in the production of a PC and have no need to go with new innovations. Companies like Sony, however, cost as much as a Mac and at the same price. They add all kind of innovations and styles instead of doing what another computer does.
So in the long run... No. You are more wrong than right. Because if you did own both a PC and Mac, opposed to just a PC, you will see that you are calling an apple a pear. Meaning that Apple makes a high-end mid-range computer made for an exclusive market... Which excludes those who would sit hours on end making their own high-end computer that is made more for games than a Pixar movie.
And BTW... Pretty much every major animation company uses Macs for their anime, cartoons, and the like. Pixar is the biggest example in the U.S., which should show what kind of graphic quality Apple has to offer when it comes to their computers. (I recommend looking at who was the major share holder before becoming Disney's major share holder before you continue disputing this. ;3)
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
I wasn't stating the Yaris costs more than a Prius in the market, I was just going with your analogy of the Yaris being a Mac and a Prius being a high-end PC. In which case within your comparison it would mean that the Yaris costs more than the Prius.
Apple is not in their own market at all when it comes to PC's. Its why you have the reports of Apple's market share always in comparison to Microsoft in the OS market, or to Dell/Sony/Acer/etc in the PC market.
And Apple does not innovate when it comes to their hardware. All the components in a current Apple machine are the exact same pieces of hardware you would find in a Dell, or stand-alone at your local Fry's and Best Buy. The only hardware innovation Apple can claim is their custom cases and form factors. All the true hardware innovation goes to companies like Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA. Which also makes the claim that Apple offers better graphics design solutions bogus because I can spec out a Dell or build my own PC with the exact same components as a Mac Pro. Does the lack of the Apple brand somehow make my identical machine worse at graphics design? Also, what is a "high-end mid-range computer"? Its like describing a soup as lukewarm hot. Mac Pro's are definitely priced as pure high-end machines, and they are definitely overpriced in that segment for the parts they are built out of.
Also, the reason why Pixar uses Macs is because Steve Jobs was the former CEO of Pixar Studios. Jobs actually purchased Pixar before they were called Pixar, and probably then instituted the Mac favoritism while there (because at that point, Macs were actually better at graphics design work because of their IBM G-series processors, which could not be found in other PC's and did not have Windows support at the time, a claim that cannot be made now because both Apples and non-Apple computers have the exact same Intel processors).
Web developer
Switched to Ubuntu 4 years ago and not thinking of going away any soon.
NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/
YEAHH~~~
Nekophilia
Macs.... I might get one when I start to work lol.
studying comp studies, planning to look for part time job
http://bruneian-otaku.blogspot.com
I want to buy this Macs but I don't know which one is better...
install Windows as intel? sounds like formatting the Mac's system
@_@ (I think I need someone to help me)
Student!
http://zh3us.wordpress.com/
well, IMHO Custom solution's the best. u buy and fix yourself. Mac's are sweet however, they lack expandability (cannot upgrade).
Graphic Designer
The Mac Pro towers are perfectly expandable. In fact, they're about the easiest and most user friendly computers out there for expandability. I've upgraded mine no problem.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
It is user expandable using Apple's proprietary hardware, which is both limited and expensive. You can't just pop in a new video card from Newegg.com and expect it to work under OSX (it will under bootcamp and Windows though, because the driver support is there). Upgrading the CPU isn't for the faint of heart either:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/faq/mac-pro-how-to-upgrade-processors.html
In step 4, you have to remove at least 8 different components before you can access the CPU socket and put in a new CPU. This also voids the warranty on your entire Mac. In my Antec 900 case, I just have to remove my custom CPU cooler to access the CPU socket, and doing so allows me to keep my CPU and motherboard warranties without any issues.
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
And you also forgot to mention one thing. That topic says "Please note that this answer specifically refers to the original Mac Pro that was discontinued on January 8, 2008 and replaced by the "Early 2008" models. However, it is possible to upgrade the processor in subsequent Mac Pro models in a similar manner."
So you are comparing a 2007 model to a 2009 model. And in a lot of cases, the upgrades you are talking about may have been altered for these new models. Plus, also, are also models that might need upgrading when the warranty is up. Consider that next time. :3
Then again, you probably have a custom job PC and not a factory job PC.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Perhaps it is the case that they have changed the build to make user-upgradeability a more friendly experience, but that doesn't change the fact that the upgrade options are still limited and artificially overpriced (at least from the Apple store).
Consider the NVIDIA 8800 GT upgrade kit for the Mac Pro:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB137Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDA5OQ&mco=MjE0NTg5Mw
for a cool $280.
While on Newegg, the NVIDIA 9800 GT can be had for $120 ($100 after Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127406
Graphic Designer
With OSX's bootcamp feature (it's free with the OS) you can run Windows and OSX on the same system - and it's really easy to set up.
Student, Performer
http://kesenaitsumi89.wordpress.com/
8-Core <--- Never heard of... LOL
I have been like Mac since 5 years ago but didn't have chances to get one. Maybe will buy one after working.
Software Developer
http://www.otakutimes.com
Bought a Macbook pro about three weeks ago. I'm liking OS X much more than Windows, and the overall performance of the machine is excellent. Little things like Expose make things so much quicker, and it comes pre-installed with most of the things I would need to install as extras under Windows (e.g. virtual desktop support). Not being able to go full screen in Firefox is a bit annoying though!
Engineer by weekdays, Hikki by weekends
http://ejump.wordpress.com/
hey, linux aint shabby either, Although slim chances to make your windows games run on it, but its very customizable. The last time i use mac was when the mouse was still with inly single click button.
Still linux newbie on debian/fedora.
Jobless bum at the moment
http://www.drazenj.com
omg soo many new kewl things and still i wont waste my money it xD
seriously no matter how much they upgrade spec wise my computer running vista stable for over a year now (current uptime = 389 days 21h 34m 12s) still is better, i can upgrade any part on the go and the 8-core ahhh look at this beauty running 2 3.06Ghz Quad Cores 8Gb Ram trust me I'm still no way near the mac base price of 2,199.00 (for the 24")
This machine so far has cost me 1,400.00 (roughly taken)
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
thats the mac tax xD
Jobless bum at the moment
http://www.drazenj.com
i dont like paying for the name i like paying for the stuff it does or does that make me weird.
Brand =/= Better performance or whatever
Creative Director
any new displays?
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
Nope.
Dance Trooper: DCX-001 O.D.E. (Order of the Dancing Empire)
http://dannychoo.com.my
I knew Dual 2.26GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon processors will gonna be on the upcoming Mac Machine release~~~~~~~~~~ My Quad Core laptop is more pricey than this...................
Been using Windows since I first encounter with computer~~~~~~
Otaku / Student in Networking
http://hayasaki-kun.blogspot.com/
I will think about the Mac Mini ^^
former Emperor of Britannia
http://reflectiarx.wordpress.com/
Just finished my price hunting on computer related materials. As much as i want to buy a MAC. My country sadly does not have the right amount of users for it. Ended up going back to Microsoft related products.
Still i wish i could have a chance to own a MAC (macbook pro / mac mini).
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
ahh well....30% of the people who go to my uni use macs....a simple proof why nobody buys it its because of the premium price tag.
I'm still holding to my said statement of getting a mac only for work and nothing else :P
http://www.marvinryan.com
was thinking of getting a new HP Touchsmart, but looks as though that 24" iMac 2.66ghz seem like a better deal. btw was wondering, is it hard to install Win XP on a Mac.
the reason I need XP is that I would still need to run old visual foxpro programs for work so would probably need to use the program you call parallels.
Troubleshooter, Universal Exports
http://funkyblueame.tumblr.com/
It's really simple to install Windows on a Mac. You can use BootCamp which comes with OS X or us Fusion or Parallels. The instructions from BootCamp should be on the Apple website. If not I can get a link to it if you would like to read it.
http://www.marvinryan.com
hey Thanks Edward, will check it out as soon as I get a iMac. ^^
2nd year Civil Engineering Student
http://soonkiong.blogspot.com
Thinking of getting the new Mac Mini, once it reaches here. ^^
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
Seeing how horribly overpriced Macs are anywhere outside of US, I think you'd be better off with buying it in US and having it shipped to Malaysia.. would probably even save a few bucks :)
Student/Amateur Artist
http://poisondusk.wordpress.com/
I won't be getting one of these, but I will be picking up a MacBook Pro before September hopefully, as there's no way I'll be able to get my beloved iMac to Japan, and I can't go without a computer for nearly a year.
I come from a Mac-only household, and have been using Macs a good part of my life, and I could never switch to anything else. I know it's not a perfect system, and there are some areas where Windows is superior, but I definitely prefer using a Mac (I'm terribly biased, though).
hw sw engineer
http://darkfader.blogspot.com/
Still waiting for the iPhone 4G...
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
Keep on dreaming. The "4G" won't be here for at-least 2-3 more years. Now if you're implying "4th generation" then you're wrong again :p - as the current iPhone is only 2nd generation. So most you'll see is a iPhone 3G G3 this upcoming July - but don't expect anything too revolutionary for at least a few more years.
Saber's Knight of One
http://www.ultima-i.com
I have been waiting for these announcements because been wanting to try out the mini. I wanted a simple little machine I could install windows on for the few Windows games I play. And to install Office on..lol
I have read about the mac mini servers people seem to be doing, but I wonder just how much of a load those little machines can manage.
I'd like to get a Pro one day, but gonna require a lot of saving before that happens ^^;
Student
http://shockerz.wordpress.com/
I'm still using window for my entertainment needs and not changing any sooner plus Mac are not cheap. But Mac are great to work with if you are a programmer, graphic designer, coder, normal work load and so on. I might get one when I start to work.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
I disagree, because the hardware on Mac's always lag behind the industry state of the art. They only just upgraded to Nehalem processors with this new refresh, and like I've said before, the video cards are extremely weak for professional graphics work. I do a lot of programming work, and my custom build PC handles the number-crunching far better than a comparatively priced Mac Pro would.
Saber's Knight of One
http://www.ultima-i.com
Even if that's the case, I find that Windows is becomes a nightmare whenever you upgrade your hardware in itself. If you're pro-PC or pro-Windows than fine, but you basically making it sound like Mac is a waste of money and I certainly don't agree with that. Both platforms have their pros and cons, its a matter of personal preference.
And I will say that when I upgraded to Leopard, it was the simplest upgrade I have EVER done in terms of upgrading an OS. Every OS upgrade from Win 98 to XP was a pain, so when Leopard installed with no problems I was shocked.
My personal preference is towards Mac, but I don't have anything against PC. If you can build a better machine for a lot cheaper then I say congrats. But I personally think Apple makes a pretty good product and I am proud to be a Mac owner.
Regardless, the point of the post was to inform everyone of the new hardware. I highly doubt Danny wants a Mac vs PC war doing on in the thread.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
It comes down to user experience then. I have never had any problems installing Windows OS's. I have a tri-boot with Windows Vista 64, Windows 7, and Kubuntu Linux on my Core i7 machine, and this took me less than 4 hours to get completely up and running with the latest service packs, updates, and necessary software. I have never had problems upgrading hardware either, and the most hoops I have had to jump through was BIOS updates on my motherboard to support the new hardware. The other day as well, I decided to reinstall Vista 32 on my older machine on a whim to test out certain things and benchmark them compared to my Vista64 install, and this took all of an hour to complete, while I did something else while it was installing. With my experiences, I have never found it necessary to pay excessive amounts of markup just for a brand-name and for (arguably) better customer support, while having my hardware, upgrade, and customizability options artificially limited. This is why I feel Apple products are a monumental waste of money, but its just my opinion.
Multimedia Designer/Developer
http://www.mcmonagle-interphase.com/
Now hold on a second. Yes, the nehalem architecture has been around for a while, but that's in the form of the high-end enthusiast-geared i7s. It would have been nice to see an iMac with an i7 or something of the sort, but for the most part, the i7 was an introduction into the new architecture for computer enthusiasts who build their own systems.
The new Mac Pros, however, are in no way lagging behind as they're actually first to be using the Nehalem Xeons for computers marketed towards professionals. In fact, you couldn't build a custom computer with Nehalem Xeons if you wanted to. I believe you'd have to wait until the end of March for that. I'm also willing to bet that Apple is going to be first on the bandwagon with the upcoming 32nm die-shrunk processors for it's consumer-grade computers such as the Mac Minis and iMacs, or maybe the macbooks.
Graphics-wise, the new Mac Pros are still a little lacking as the 120s aren't quite on-par with the 285s and 295s, or even the 260s you'll find many new gaming rigs. You should consider though, that macs aren't usually geared towards gamers, and gaming is really the only thing you need a graphics card like that for. The cards inside the mac pros are more than enough to handle any kind of adobe-related design work, and even for people doing 3d-modeling, the actual rendering process is handled by the CPU, and the Mac Pros at my school render in 3DS Max (after booting into Windows since 3DS Max is windows-only) a heck of a lot faster with their duel Xeons and measly 8800s than my gaming rig at home does with it's i7 and GeForce 260s.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that this all worth the $4-grand price-tags on the Mac Pros, but the design-firms, photography studios etc. that these computers are geared towards are more concerned with getting solid, powerful, professional systems than the over-the-top price tag, and the new Mac Pros definitely deliver.
The iMacs on the other hand... not so good, but at least the displays are nice.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
The difference here is that the Nehalem-based Xeons aren't really different from the current crop of Core i7's. Unlock previous Xeons and their Core 2 counterparts, the Nehalem Xeons use the same socket (LGA-1366) as the desktop Core i7s, and they have the same size caches and QPI interface speed as my Core i7 965. The only difference is that they support ECC memory and dual socket motherboards, compared with previous Xeons and their increased FSB and L2 cache over their Core 2 counterparts. So my Core i7 machine would still beat the comparable single processor Mac Pro (due to its lower default clockspeed). The 8-core dual processor Mac Pro is another issue, but then so is the price tag.
Also, with the advent of GPGPU languages (CUDA and OpenCL), you are going to see the GPU become involved in much more general purpose work than just rendering graphics for games, including 3d modeling and graphic design work. The weak GPUs on these Mac Pros would definitely be left in the dust as GPGPU gains more and more traction.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Whoops, in the 2nd sentence I meant "Unlike previous Xeons and their Core 2 counterparts..."
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
Actually, Veeediot is correct in this case.
If you know your Macs, and the company that makes it, you will find that they do not bother making low-end or high-end computers. Simply because of the fact that there is no need to make a Mac that is so high-end, it gives you a few more years before it becomes the standard for every other mid-ranged computer made.
Also, I should add, your experiences with PCs and Windows are not like what others experienced. That, and does not make you an authentic expert on why PCs are better than Macs. Because there are many others that have numerous issues with both formats, or have issues with one once they became adapted to it.
In my case, I can detail that while Macs are never high-end computers, I can simply say that they are more durable and stable than any PC I have ever used. And I can back this up by pointing out that I still have my iMac G4 after 5 years and only need to replace it because I want to replace both it and this PC laptop with something that can do the same job I rely on when it comes to both.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Like I've said previously, the price tag on the Mac Pro put them in the same range as high-end PC's from other vendors and custom PCs. The 8-core processor on the top-end Mac Pro is not something you would find on anything less than a high-end machine. So they are high-end computers no matter how you look at it. But with that high-end price tag comes some excessive markup over comparable parts in other computers, along with some mediocre hardware that has no business in such a high-priced machine.
And I've never said that PCs were better than Macs (unless you were talking about pure performance, and due to Macs having set hardware options and limited upgradeability, there are definitely PCs out there with better performance than any Mac). I was just saying that they are overpriced and do not offer the same range of options as a custom-built PC or even a computer from Dell. If your comfortable with OSX, then by all means purchase a Mac. But in my case, let's say if I was started out only comfortable with OSX, the price difference and increased hardware options between Apple products and other PCs would definitely drive me to pick up and learn Windows or Linux instead.
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
Again, you can say that paradigmshift. But in all cases, you are ignoring a lot of facts when you make that claim.
PCs are simply cheaper and have low-mid-high ranges because PCs are not an exclusive brand like Apple. Meaning that they can choose the range they want, and for the price they think it is worth.
PCs take less time to assemble as they go with a more simple way to make them. This means that as long as they have the OS system supplied, and they know what is needed, they do not need to make it be majorly durable as long a it meets the minimal stability requirements.
Macs however go by a completely different direction. Steve Jobs himself pretty much said that durability, stability, and innovations are the three things that are needed for Macs. And since they have no competition for the OS X market, they have more time and means to make a better mid-ranged computer.
And as for the price, I should add that Sony makes mid-ranged laptops that cost the same as a Mac laptop. So when it comes to using price as a reason, that is like calling an apple a pear. Because it is all about competition, innovation, and what it has to offer for the range it is based on.
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
There is no such thing as an "OSX market." There is an Operating System market, in which Apple competes mainly with Microsoft and various open source solutions. The difference is that OSX is tied to Apple's hardware, while Windows and Linux, etc can be put onto virtually any consumer computer out there. It is this difference that allows Apple to overcharge on their hardware and claim that their hardware is more durable and stable than other manufacturer's, even though they use the exact same components. For example, the huge batch of defective NVIDIA mobile GPUs last year affected all laptops using them, Apple Macbooks included.
And saying price is irrelevant or should not be a comparison point is ridiculous. In this current economic climate, price should be the primary concern when purchasing expensive machines such as this, and for the price, the Mac Pro offers less hardware wise than comparable machines from other makers and pricing the parts out individually (Sony excluded, because Sony is just as bad of an offender as Apple whens it comes to overcharging for their products).
Developer/Student
http://threedeecomplex.wordpress.com/
Also, you can get the Nehalem Xeons now. Here's the one found in the 8-core Mac Pro.
http://www.techiestop.com/bx80602e5520.html
Student
http://chuymaster.exteen.com
After reading this, I think I might buy a Mac-mini for a try. As I've wanted to try using Mac for a long time and it is not too expensive. May be in the next 2-3 months, I will buy it. I am quite bored with windows and want to try something new for me once in a while.
Bounty Hunter
http://myanimelist.net/profile/andrewgk
Windows XP is very very unstable... in fact I would love to run mac OS.
The only thing that's stopping me are prices... I can get so much more in the way of hardware if I buy a PC then from a Mac with the same price tag.
I tried running osx86 on my laptop... and I was blown away by how good it is, but I couldn't find all the drivers for my laptop so I turned back to XP.
Next time I buy a PC, I'll choose each part specially for OSX86.
and the one who made me interested in Macs was you Danny...
srlsy I wonder how much you get paid by Apple to promote their products :PPPP /jk
Artist
The iMac updates are embarrassingly bad. I've had a desktop PC with a quad core CPU for years now, so for the high end consumer desktop Mac to still only have a dual core... it's pretty weak. There's also no blu-ray writer (or even a BD reader!) option, no LED panels, and the prices are only decent in the US. Elsewhere (such as in the UK) they are comically high.
I like Apple stuff a lot (I have an iPhone and a Macbook), but these updates are a joke.
NEET (no, student, AND employed min. wage)
http://otterhangar.blogspot.com/
I think my family wants a media computer... so I might be considering a mac mini with a crap ton of upgrades it can stash on it...
I am also looking for a rather "nice" desktop to use on top of my lappy
Poet (not)
I'm seriously contemplating to buy a couple of Mac minis for our company's web application testing/development. Been using Wintel machines all this while.
And to think that a couple of years ago, I wouldn't have given Macs a second glance. Danny's good word makes all the difference I guess :)
Danny, judging from the comments I've seen I say you should ask Apple if they have any affiliate program you can participate in XD
High school student
http://www.animeraku.com
I would love to have a Mac, but don't have any high income (student desu) so it's out of question now (I'm glad I have enough money to buy a figure every now and then ^^). But I tell you, once I'll buy it, a Mac.
Executive Seneschal of the Third Ward
http://phaeton99.deviantart.com/
Means my ancient Mac is yet another generation behind.
But on the plus side, the Mac Pro is showing the very sorts of features I will need in the next one without requiring much customization: might make upgrading (finally) almost affordable.
University Student
Have always been wanting to try one, but the price for everything is always so high so i stick to the stuff that are hundreds or lower and have my older bro get the hundreds+ and then use it with him. lol!
IT-Admin
Working with Windows all the day, but I would really like to try a Mac. But in Germany they sell the cheapest Mac Mini for 599 Euro, which is about 750$.
mahou kishi
http://www.animedia.com.mx
Acer one and leopard or Dell mini and leopard thats the future
Student
Looks nice, bought I just bought myself a 24 inch iMac not too long ago and I'm still quite happy with it!
houkouonchi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/red_mango/
I knew there would be a Apple announcement today.
NEET
http://austrianotaku.com/
Would really like to replace my PC with a Mac. But those 8core Pros are soooo expensive. The mini is not powerfull for my needs, would be a nice HTPC though. But why isn't there still no HDMI port available?
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
Was thinking about a new MBP later this year when school starts.
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
My only complaint with Macs are the same one that others have: They do not give a BD drive option.
Granted, they upgraded Quicktime to play HD videos. That, and I do have my PlayStation 3. But I would like to have a way to put my MP4 and AVI files into a playable Blu-ray disc format, and without having to purchase an external drive. Might do that since I have been wanting to get a new iMac after I get my own place.
Looks like I am going to need to save up and consider making some cuts on what I want to get. Because the new iMacs look better and better, plus will give me two computers in one... which will also save me money as well. So I will have to wait and see. X3
Self Employed // Graphic Artist // Clothing
Looking forward to the new Mini for a Media server with some external HDD's. It has a very nice form factor for my needs. Currently reading how to raid the external drives, so hopefully it will all work as I hope it will. ALready own the new unibody MacbookPro and extremely happy with it.
College Student/Web Designer
I need a HTPC for this fall so I can watch my downloaded videos and stuff off my PC on my TV, and it seems like the Mac Mini would be a good choice for me. Does anyone else have experience using the Mac Mini like this?
I'm also a Windows person and this would be my first Mac, so does it network with Windows PC well?
Supreme Commander of NERV Co.
Too bad for me, I dont have that kind of money, yet ^^
Studio Bleach founder/owner
http://myspace.com/studiobleach
Ditto here. XP
Technical Account Manager
http://howdoyoufigure.wordpress.com
I've never been a fan of Macs... overpriced for the hardware it comes with. In the past, I could kind of see the point since they were built on a completely different architecture. Now that they're Intel based, all you're really paying for is the right to run their OS out of the box. That and a pretty cool case design (though I'd consider many aftermarket cases out there better).
I've also heard the customer service is good, though then you'd have to slap on another $100 for AppleCare.
I see things like the Mini and iMac to be great family machines, but once it comes down to putting together a file server that goes into a closet and is never seen, a good low-powered box could be put together for under $200. The $400 saved could then be invested on several 1.5 TB hard drives that can go in the case, instead of sitting next to them.
I'm too utilitarian to own a Mac. :)
Technical Account Manager
http://howdoyoufigure.wordpress.com
Actually, in fairness, "never" is too strong a word. I used to be a Mac fan back in the old PowerPC days. I really wanted a PowerMac 604e. ^.^
MAC MINI !!!!
University's Slave
I'd love a Power Mac, but my current iMac is chugging along quite nicely even though it's two and a half years old. I probably won't get a new computer until after I graduate college unless my baby here suffers a sudden and irreparable death.
IT, Programmer, Otaku, ...
http://blog.jpopdb.org/
The Mac mini's are interesting ^^
Metrosexual Narcissist
http://www.michaelflux.com
I'm personally waiting till I can get a quad core in a MBP. Once that happens will definitely upgrade from my current MBP. Oh that would be nice if DD3 ram prices would come down a bit also ;)
JR. College Student
http://npc.talkingincircles.net/
I like PCs because I can tinker with them. I don't even like the Mac OS, I prefer my open source distros instead.
College Freshmen
Starts at 2500? I'm sure you can get one just about as good at a much cheaper price. I don't know though since I haven't looked.
COMSC Student
http://www.aeconklin.blogspot.com
I'm afraid of Macs, but I'll have to get one eventually or I'll never know how to fix them. I guess now is a good time as any.
http://orange.exofire.net
I wouldn't necessarily call these Mac Minis relatively cheap...
Engineering and Sales
Personally I think they are way to expensive, even if the general conscience thinks they are better and more stable. I'll be nice, but honestly I don't like the Apple click. Many people who I know who own Apple are very arrogant and annoying. They think their different but so many people have apple now. For a pasokon I decided on a Panasonic letsnote. It's quite a rare notebook for the US.
Worker
http://wbd.deviantart.com/
They definitely look interesting to me, but I'm not sure I'm ready to move to a new platform just yet. I'll have to do some thinking when I am ready, however. The oldest machine I have is a clunky old laptop (but very reliable- it's a Thinkpad), so that would probably be where I'd start replacing first.
Student/Music Producer/Web Designer
http://www.myspace.com/lionbiscuits
I'm rockin' the MacBook! :D
Posting with the PC, though. =[
Apple>Microsoft
Accounting Technician
http://alpharalpha.com
no blu-ray drive = DO NOT WANT!!
pop culture archivist
http://supremenothing.blogspot.com/
It's interesting to know that you entered the Apple realm with a Mini. When Apple first produced them, a big part of the marketing was to promote a cheaper, entry level Mac to tempt Windows users into coming over. Looks like it worked!
I'm a Mac fanboy, and have been ever since I started working in design/print industry in the nineties. For years Macs loaded with Quark were industry standard and that was it.
It's changed a lot since then, The Windows platform is a little more accepted and Adobe Creative Suite pretty much buried Quark, but I'm still loyal to Apple. :)
Student
http://lordofgundams.blogspot.com/
Whoa, this is the first time I've seen a heated debate on DannyChoo.com. I would love their base 20" iMac as a replacement for my aging HP desktop replacement laptop. At the same time I want to replace my current HP tablet convertible Vista laptop with a 2.4Ghz aluminum Macbook.
College Student
I can get a nice gaming PC that dual boots Vista and Ubuntu for that Mac Pro starter price, and probably two nice 24 inch displays for the cost of one of their 24 inch monitors. Heck, I could buy an equivalent spec PC and buy a PS3 with the difference. There's too much I can do with the cost difference to consider buying a Mac.
.NET/Web Developer
http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net
The mac mini I can afford but its right there on the edge of my budget. heheh! I've been wanting to try macs for quite a while now. Does the mac mini include a monitor or not? if not (which I'm guessing doesn't include one), then I'll just have to wait a couple more months till I get a 2nd monitor before I get this one. There's just so many devices currently sharing my monitor right now that adding another one is just not an option.
Saber's Knight of One
http://www.ultima-i.com
Mini doesn't come with a monitor...or a keyboard or mouse.
http://tenori-taiga.blogspot.com/
So far I am quite satisfied with my 15" macbookpro I recently purchased. It never gets hot and fits in most baggage. I think it is probably a better buy than a 17" laptop. I will never have a use for an imac or a mac mini though. My PC is for all my entertainment really; web browsing, games, movies, etc.
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
*sigh* Looking at the thread above...it seems the whole Windows vs. Mac debate continues *again*. x_x It's interesting how this happens with regularity, almost scheduled every few months or something. Every time, what you get is the more recent, newly-signed-up users getting into a long, heated debate, after which they're satisified. Having said their piece, the next crop of users argue the next time the issue comes up. ^^;
Nothing for me here - when it comes to desktops, I'll stick with Windows or whatever OS I can customize as much as I want. My laptops are almost exclusively dual-boot Macs ever since I tasted my first MBP anyway.
Multimedia Designer/Developer
http://www.mcmonagle-interphase.com/
So I guess we could consider this a "right of passage" then for new members? :3
At least now with Intel macs and bootcamp, there's less to argue about as the whole hardware/software compatibility thing no longer applies. Although I suppose the Mac-users have the upper-hand now as it's hard to get OSX running stable on a hackintosh.
Someday we'll look back at these threads with our google android-powered flexible touch-screen hand-helds and laugh mockingly at the ridiculous concept of an "operating system".
a 'creative' type
...love PC Vs Mac 'debates'
The new mac mini's are getting better, now apple is using nvidia integrated gpu's, like the macbook's, they seem more usable as a small desktop. Not sure about the iMac's, suppose more powerful cpu's will be handy. Mac Pro's, no matter how they're configured are expensive machines, i guess if they used the new core i7 chips they'd be well worth a look. I can see that some of the cost must go into the design, I understand there are some nice PC cases but none really are on par with a Mac Pro case (remember when the G5 first came out then suddenly PC G5-style cases came out). Then there are apple's laptops with the new aluminium bodies, it's nothing new is case terms but not many Win based laptop manufacturers are pushing the limits in design - mainly re-shaped plastics. We all know how easy/customisable a custom built PC is, you've selected all the parts and installed everything exactly as you want...these machines aren't really comparable to a Mac. I'd say it's like buying a dell/alienware type machine where you configure it from a pre-selected no. of parts, in a nice, but plastic, case. Macs are buit around usability ideas, they just work with very little effort.
I use Win PC at home and at work mainly for design/games but I've just got a new macbook and i'm truely impressed, I was after a laptop so i wasn't stuck at my desk (at home) and I kinda wanted an apple product for a while. Ultimately this 'debate' will go on forever, ev.1 has a vaild point but there's not going to be a winner...i'm just stoking the fire.
Grocery Store Clerk
Next summer or so I might get a mini Mac.
Graphic Design
http://www.chromaengine.com
I would get a Mac for work but it's true, they are much too expensive at times. They just need to be lower.
The bright spot about this announcement for me was the $599 mini-Mac. The $799 mini-Mac however is definitely NOT worth it, this one should be filed under "Apple-tax". The $200 "upgrade" doesn't offer much : same CPU speed, same graphics card with 256 RAM as opposed to 128 (from different RAM allocation), 1Gig more RAM and 160 gigs of HDD space. My belief is that the $799 should have honestly been the $599 but what can you do? :P
As for which one is best, honestly everyone has different experiences. They're both (PC and Mac) in performance honestly not that much different. You can throw performance charts around but the end user won't really see the difference most of the time if they aren't experienced computer users (in this case it favors OS X). Just really comes down to preference. I prefer PC just because I heavily favor gaming and have fun building. Doesn't mean "Mac is whack", just I have a different user experience I'm targeting.
Software Developer / Space Marine
Honestly, the fact that the "real" version of Windows Vista costs $323 US (from the MS website) is something you gotta take into account when building a new pc as well. OK, so PC might still not be as expensive as Mac, but you're also paying for the fact that you know all the hardware is gonna work, cause its a royal pain in the ass getting a new PC to work, hell, even after installing windows on an old one is a pain.
I dont have a mac yet, but after all the problems I had recently, I cant wait to get a macbook. Saving already for one.
Aeronautical Engineer
http://www.deranged-minds.com/blog/
Was considering a new iMac for a while but waiting for an update. I am a bit disappointed as I was expecting the new iMacs to have LCD screens as well. I may wait a bit before getting it then, and not as franticly as I wanted it.
Otaku ^^
Ahem! The new iMac comes built-in with LCD screen. Its either you want the 20" wide or 24" wide...
d@@b
student- university servant
i have been considering a new lappy in the event that this thing dies on me... its a toss up between the macbook and sony SR,(both around $1300) but i dont want to come off as some sort of apple whore lol
im doomed to the life of ipods b/c of my car ipod jack which is very nice
Otaku ^^
Planning to get the 2.26Ghz Mac Mini + 4Gb RAM + 320Gb HDD = S$1,744.40.
If you configure from the 120Gb HDD option to the config above = S$1,741.60. A saving of S$2.80. This price only eligible for online purchase. By the way, is it feasible to buy iWork '09 for S$98?
d@@b
Front-end Web Developer
http://wilusfira.blogspot.com
I need to get one of those Mac Mini to replace my Power Mac G4, since it is my media server and its starting to get to slow for my taste.
Student
http://johndiew0107.wordpress.com/
Apple's product are way to expensive for me... still a student can't afford for it...
student, ventilation fitter
i think macs are pretty too expensive. i rather buy ultimate gaming PC with same amount of money. and i will.
but i will install mac OS X leopard to my current PC and mini laptop (soon as i buy it).
macs have awesome design, size and power. but still i dont want to pay 2000 usd for just a design. u can design ur own look on normal PC for much cheaper.
and i can always install mac OS X on that gaming PC if get tired of windows, and just use boot camp when i want to play games