生徒を殴る教諭

Is sad!
When i was child, i don't need to worry about to not been safe in my school.
In Venezuela, since long time ago, teachers can't punish physicaly to the students.
Here, we have laws to protect child and teenagers, and that's include bad treatment by teachers to the childs.

I always read that japanese students are too stressed. Facts like this make me clear about why they are stressed.

In certain schools of SG you can get caned for stuff like not tucking in your shirt.
And I was a victim of it.
In my current school, every offense can be filed under the name of defiance.

Poor kid. Hope he didn't lose too much blood. ^_^

the title of this blog post was misleading danny, it's more centered around capital punishment than education. i kind of expected you to discuss about the education material that they teach in japanese schools. you know, that whole controversial thing about altering some textbook information to make japan look good, especially history...etc. in any case, about capital punishment, i don't think it was necessary for the teacher to hit the student across the face, i'm sure it got the point across, but the teacher was setting a bad example in front of the class with the use of violence. i think it would've been much better if the student was punished with extra homework, or detention, or got sent to the principal's office.

Hmm, I think there are other ways to show authority that smack the boys...

Anyway, teachers here losts all respect last years... Even ere students that injury teachers, thats really serious, and sad.

A slap in the face is not needed, that's just being a horrible teacher and example to their students.

I'd rather take the buckets of water than that.

JUSTICE WILL NOT PREVAIL! (Death Note referrence)

When I was in primary school, all the students in my class got canned at least once almost everyday for 3 years. We were canned for every single questions we did wrongly. I didn't feel anything anymore on the final year. Caning is common in chinese schools but not in national schools.

That's a lie. Teachers in Singapore punish students by showing them pictures of AV idols or yaoi porn, and then making them bleed from the nose.

With the situation with todays new kids in school, their getting ruder, madder, and getting pissed more often. I say go with the hitting, they need some displine.

I feel that physical violence has no use at all. In fact, it will only make things worse. I feel that most of the time it's the fault of the teacher that students don't pay attention. Try to make your classes enjoyable. Students will respect you in this way.

@ZeR0
LOL... That kind of punishment we all want~
Alast... it's not true... sorry to burst your bubbles guys... Those who never hand in homework, the teachers would make the students stand or call their parents... In the most extreme case, when a student bullies, breaks school property or shoplifts, that student could be caned or even suspended... Most schools in Singapore are kinda stict...

I think some of the students here could really use a slap in the face. They're always so disrespectful.

That's really off the line. The teacher coulda just sent the student out of class. That was kinda harsh for just reading! At least he was READING. Anyways i remember back when i was younger, my teacher hit my hand with a meter stick. =/

danny, time have changed. teachers in singapore seldom use the cane anymore.

nowadays parent are more doting on their children and will file a complain if their kids are mistreated (be it petty little things or physically abused)

if a student got caught reading a manga here, the teacher will most probably confiscate the manga. if she/he is nice/in a good mood, will return it to you after class after a apology.

if she/he is the mean type, you might never see your manga again.

I haven't seen that degree of violence, but I have seen a couple of the teachers rough-around some of the students who actively leave the classroom in the middle of the lesson to wander the halls. Mostly seems to be pushing them around, which I still view with trepidation, but as an ALT, I'm really not allowed to intervene.

As for me, I once pushed back a kid who was actively trying to grab my privates, and I felt off about it afterward (and not just because of being violated in class). So I guess I'm really not cut out to deliver that kind of physical punishment anyways.

I was "beaten" sometimes from my elementary school teacher for bad behavior. Sometimes kids need a slap or two to put them in their places or to listen to the orders of the teacher. If a teacher slapped a son of mine I would to the school and ask why he/she did it but wouldn't involve the cops in it.

as stupid as the student was (reading manga in class) teachers have no right to be so abusive.

I had a teacher who like to pinch between the nostrils during high school

Not needed. That's physical violence and it's illegal. Beating doesn't educate. Justified deed would've been taking that mangabook to teachers custody. Violence doesn't solve anything ;/

Almost got caned once in Singapore(IMO) -_-... insulting a teacher directly wasn't a very good idea lol... (won't even let me go to washroom, haven't pee'd for like 5 hours!!! x_x)

There was something like that (caning), here but there isn't anymore. I don't remember getting caned during my grade school days, I don;t know, maybe it's just I behaved well?

Anyway, strict discipline can be good actually, and maybe, this kind of education is what makes Japan like it is now.

Well, I think that teachers are not to hit a child no matter what but leave it to the parents.

Children sometimes need to be beaten with a slap on the bottom to learn a lesson that they never forget like me... my dad just beated me to death or something that I am who I am today *twitch*

Anyways, a slap + nose bleed, if I was that kid, I'd sue'd that teacher for assault!

No slapping kids,especially face, other punishment are ok(like hand, but not face)....
I being slap before during primary school, and i never do anything wrong, she say im talking but i wasn't (WTF!), but unfortunately my dad know it because my friend talk too much, so my dad make a complaint to the priciple and so the teacher say sorry at the end and never slap student again...

Legally, Mexico stop that decades ago, and i don't know someone that was actualy get that kind of punishment from a teacher.

I studient in a catholic school all my life (and i never know any lesbian there) and there was no history of punish students, sisters have a worse fame than deserve

I think my english was really bad in this post, sorry about that.

well in USA you can't use physical force in school, but belarus its less controlled and more tolerated. It mostly happens in lower classes since a 10th grader can answer back probably hehe. I do not think this is unnecessary to use force. Force never solves anything so why should it make student study better or pay attention more. Perhaps that teacher should have rethought his class since its so boring student reads mana hahaha

i don't think as far as slapping is way too much, and yeah, i also prefer standing in the hallway while holding 2 buckets of water XDXDXD

Yah, I actually think that some kids/teens need to get smacked across the face a few times. They're just getting so much ruder now a days that it just makes you wonder what the parents/world is thinking. The teens/pre-teens today have become such brats, that they should be put into the category of "kids". I think some countries protect their kids too much from the wrong things. I mean, i understand the "Child abuse protection" and all those that will get the kid messed up, but things such as giving them more responsibility, and giving the teachers a bit more rights on educating kids on how to behave should not be stopped. Especially since monst parents are working pretty much 24/7 and don't have the time to educate their kids anymore.
(Hopefully I made sense and didn't offend anyone)

i was slapped by a teacher once (or twice) in my primary school days. i admit i was naughty back then.

other punishments i have been "awarded" includes standing inside/outside the classroom pulling my ears, writing lines and spending recess in the teachers' office.

never had detentions though.

Slapping in the face is a bit too much, I reckon. I mean, if it accidentally hit something vital in the noggin?.

As for me, I did get slap in the face, cane on the head (what fun ^^).

..no ..no not the face! I beg you. seriously though, has anyone been to a catholic school? this kind of behavior by teachers was common back in the day . Spare the rod spoil the child.I don't condone this behavior by teachers but if you were in my class I would just flunk you.

Going to do a quick thread hijack

@Boris Said "[The use of] Force never solves anything"

I hate it break it to you but the proper use of force has solved a lot of things. The proper use of force has stopped countless act of violence and murders. When the police or someone steps in to stop a beating, force prevents someone from being injured or killed. There are countless other scenarios that I could come up with but I am sure you get my point.

Sorry about going off like that but the use of a phrase like that is one of my pet peeves.

Oh and don't forget proper use of The Force stopped Darth Vader and The Empire. ^-^

Geez. Couldn't he just have confiscated his Manga until the end of class? Is that so hard?

Or why didn't he just make him... write lines using a quill that magically causes the words to be cut into the skin on the back of the writer's hand and uses their blood as ink.

Whoa, I geeked out there for a second.I kid. I kid.

I think that slapping or hitting kids is pretty bad. its going to teach the kids that it is all right to hit, and that's not supposed to be a good thing because it might cause more bullying and they might think its alright to hit to hit other kids teachers or fight back. teachers should just send a note to the parent that will normally shut the kid up or make them call the parent right there and then. its what I believe, but violence shouldn't be an option.

No teacher has ever laid a hand on me before. Maybe it's because I'm lucky.

And yeah, Singapore has caning as a punishment for students, but it is no longer public caning.

Caning (usually followed by a week of in house suspension from school) is the only for those who did a serious offense outside of school and usually it deals with things such as

-Getting into "gang" fights
or
-Destroying public property

For those minor offenses, teachers usually asks the parents over and speak with them.

I don't really see the reason to get physical over anything serious, after all the teacher can just confiscate the item and call the parents, that should do the trick.

You won't get away with anything here in the USA. I once had a teacher throw a dry erase marker at my back to make me put my head up, and I had him practically begging me for forgiveness after class because he was afraid I was gonna report it. Truth was I really didn't care and the last thing I was thinking at the time was reporting it. I was actually really surprised he came up to me the way he did.

The proper application of force can be necessary to solve a problem. So, since if any teacher ever hit my kid(which I dont have) to show them that they were doing something that the teacher disliked, then I think it only fitting I get to hit the teacher. My kid bleeds, they bleed. Fitting, no? Now, if they instead feel it necessary to scold the kid, and take the offending material away.. then I cant really see a problem with that. Hitting a kid, making them bleed ... I dont see how this is the action of a responsible adult. Proper application of force? No. Violence can actually (and unfortunetly) be a solution, but not on children. Bastards... and I dont mean you FatBastard. lol.

Teachers shouldn't resort to doing something physical and violent as a form of punishment. The students themselves must understand their wrong doings and correct over it. Slapping doesn't help to make them learn after all. They're just making things worse, damaging their relationships well.

Secondary schools here are still holding onto public caning for serious offense such as playing truancy, smoking, doing funny things with your girlfriend/boyfriend in public with uniform on.

For minor offense, students are only held for detentions, standing on chair and such.

I got a 2 hour detention for reading my Lucky Star volume 4 manga in class lol.

well i believe in a littel stern punishment now and then to hammer in the values. maybe it's an asian thing, this smacking kids around. so i see no wrong in it. well, just don't over do it i guess...

well the teachers in my school always resorted to physical punishment, but in the end some kids get totaly nuts and beat the teacher up in self defence

I hear grades don't really matter in Japan and the kids just pass on to the next level regardless of their final grade. That's pretty bad, I know a kid in my class did that and he got warned multiple times, never slapped though. Manga is a big hit amongst schools now and you will see more than a few open during break. Slapping shouldn't be done but the kid probably does more than read manga in class to get a nice slap.

It was totally a bad practice
And it should not be adopted anywhere.

is a innaceptable humiliation.

I think by loo you say, japon there too reprecion and humiliation against students.

I think that is unacceptable.

Yes, we still get the cane here, but it's only in Primary and Secondary schools.

I pick my timings wisely when reading manga in class. This way I never get caught.

I'd link that discussion to the ones on the mad kicker (The train one) and bullying.

Like you could have guessed, I feel that there are other ways to manage stress, anger and frustration.
Slapping a scholar doesn't solve anything. On the contrary it makes the receiver more receptive to negative stimuli and a wish for vengeance.

I am sure there was some lack of communication and many negative interactions prior to that event. I know that I never wanted to be a teacher because of the possibility for that kind of conflicts to arise but I also wonder why there is no code on conflict management and diplomacy in education.

I tend to agree with Maya about the fact that kids and adolescents those days are much more difficult to handle and that certain laws are way to permissive (The heck why can't parents spank their children without getting filed for abusiveness?), however I'd like to add that it is not an absolute thing and that only adequate communication and adapted sanctions work. Violence is easy and very soothing in the short run (at least for the one dealing it), but only feeds a negative spiral that can lead to murder, etc.

Problematic behavior is often a revealer of a much deeper emotional or social problem (surely what happened to this kid) and that teacher must had stress and troubles he/she couldn't take care of anymore (he/she surely released all the negative energy at once).

I'd also add that if I didn't have the proper support when I was younger, I sure would have turned heavily postal a few number of times (But only against the ones that deserved it).

Well, during my four months of teaching here, I have yet to see the cliched 'standing in the hallways holding buckets of water' punishment.

If there are is a troublesome student in class, I can't do very much and it is up to the JTE (Japanese Teacher of English) or the Homeroom teacher in elementary school to maintain discipline during class. There have been some student who are extremely disruptive during class and the JTE would just either ignore the student or tell him to be quiet, which the student would comply but then start making noise again.

I never probed into how my school discipline their kids, after all, I have only been there for a few months. From what I hear, they take a very indirect approach as you would expect from people here. I am told that first the Homeroom teacher is notified and they talk with the student in question. Then they may have a session where class is spoken to by the Principal or level head. At the same time, the homeroom teacher may contact the parents and then decide further action from there. Yes it is a very indirect approach, and sometimes it can be very frustrating to teach with a disruptive student but as an ALT, I cannot do very much.

And to answer your question, yes, students in Singapore get the cane. I studied there for middle school for 3 years and there have been a few times where students have gotten caned in front of the whole school at assembly. After a few stroke (which by the way is very very painful) the student is given an opportunity to repent and apologise to the school for his actions (which they always take. Who wants to get caned even more?)

bullying by teachers is not common here.

the teachers are not given any right to do so. strictly speaking, if you just insult a student, the teacher would be checked on days later.

such cases have happened, and I myself am a victim of a teacher being biased against me, though I did nothing wrong.. well I dont think punishment is far, nor do I think teachers have any right to bully u, be it physically or emotionally, since they are just people who are allowed to teach you stuff.

I think it is the responsibility of the teacher and the parents to keep a child in check. The child is given to the teacher to learn about accepted moral and educational standards of the area. If it is accepted to do corporal punishment or use the force of peer pressure to keep the child in line. I think it depends what is deemed acceptable on what the parents want the teacher does to their child.

I remember that the teachers had the option to beat the butts of naughty boys and suspensions for just about any infraction. I saw little delinquency here in my little county, but people like to beat little kids in line like I was. There is no detention or time outs for punishment here. Just suspension, beating or expelling.

Phew... gotta say that was a bad choice. BAD END plz.

If I were suddenly slapped on the face by an instructor in front of my class ..I'd like to say that I'd retaliate by skewering his manhood with my pencil, but to be completely truthful, I think I'd just sit there in total shock, weeping like a little girl. Honestly, I'd cry.

I mean, if I were 13 that is ..

If I were suddenly slapped on the face by an instructor in the middle of class, I'd like to say I'd retaliate by skewering his manhood with my pencil, but to be truthful, I'd probably just sit there in total shock, weeping like a little girl. Honestly, I'd cry.

I mean, if I were 13 that is..

Here physical punishment in schools is so normal you dont even here about it in the media especially in primary schools
but in highschools it doesn't happen a lot because if a teacher did it at my school he would probably get his ass kicked otside school as a matter of fact the only cases of violence in schools we here about in the media here are about teachers that got theyr ass kicked buy angry students

hmmm actually, the cane is used more rarely here in S'pore as time passes by, but it's still the "traditional" form of punishment for countries like Malaysia.

was a victim of teacher's biasness too. once got my lips scotch-taped in pri school because the guy beside me talked :X

oh btw, Danny-san, I've added your feed and link :D

Teachers hardly ever get physical here, but it happens.
Though i know atleast two people who whent postal on their teacher one of the cases it wasnt so bad i think he just slapped back or twisted his arm, but the ohter case the guy picked up a chair and smacked the teacher with it, causing the loss of several teeths (this student was ofcourse expelled and had to do some therapy)

Hitting a child in any situation where they are not directly threatening you is in my eyes totaly unjustified.
They could just take the manga off him.
As far as im concerned physical punishment doest work anyway as it more than likly will strengthen the resolve of that student against doing what the teacher wants in future.

Lead by example is what I say.

I've never been slapped in the face as far as I remember. But in Madagascar, when you don't behave well in class, 90% of the time, don't be surprised if the teacher slap you on the wrist or tell you to kneel till the lesson ends. Haha! It's alright I think, next time you'll think twice. :D

Physical punishment in Malaysia is limited only to guys but might be changed to include girls as well in the future.
as for punishments i have received. it includes being caned, having my ear twisted really hard, slapped around the face,extra laps during P.E. standing on chairs/tables for hours, having my mouth duct-taped, detention and many more which i do not want to list.

Back in Vietnam, when I was still in elementary school, I got slap or get cane when I was being a "bad boy" -.-
Honestly, I feel punishment like that could help but it is just my opinion.

I dont much in my country but only the teacher get slap by the parent. Only China will definitely do that and not to mention a strict education calling the children cleaning the window outside without any safety on it. You may even expect teacher throwing a chair toward if hey have too.

nope, its rarely, but i do got slap by teacher. because i stare him back when he's angry at me^^

Teachers shouldn't slap students, they should leave it to the executioners...

Yeah, students in Singapore DO get the cane. Unlucky if your principal heads the karate club of the school. Good thing I've never been caned, and I sure as hell don't intend to break that record. Prisoners get caned too; some people want that banned as they think it's inhumane. Like killing lifestock is humane.

I've got slapped during primary school for talking when we're walking in groups to the assembly hall ^^;

teachers used to be so strict here way back in the 80s, they used to hit the students with bamboo sticks at the legs for being noisy, for every wrong answer in quizes, etc... they also made students do squats, but now the students/parents have the right to complain to authorities if they feel that they were violated

There are two means of motivation for kids...reward and punishment. You either do the right thing because it will get you rewarded(either a prize or praise) or you do it out of fear. I remember that well from my childhood. I had to have a reason to do what I was supposed to.

And I will say there are some kids out there today that could use a good smack. However, I wouldn't want that sort of punishment administered by anyone else including teachers. Just because you don't know how far they'll go. Call the parent and let them administer the walloping. But then most parents won't do anything so it's a catch 22. If the parents actually did anything to keep their kids in line there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. This is why I wouldn't be a teacher. I wouldn't want to deal with a bunch of little brats that are out of control and parents that don't care. Not to mention being watched like a hawk. Step out of line and end up under investigation....too much BS and not enough pay.

Oh....and I was homeschooled for a few years....and you can bet there was the threat of capital punishment. But thats okay. I'd have taken a slap across the face as opposed to a lecture from my father any day 9_9

being away from Singapore for a while now, I remember my kid sis's school is not caning the students for a while now because PARENTS COMPLAINED o_o;
I don't envy the teachers getting in trouble ^^;;;;;; Not sure about these days tho o_o;

Punishment by teachers is forbidden since about 30 years now here. It's ok like that but some of the students around here really need a slap in the face, they're so disrespectful they shouldn't even be allowed to go to school...

I remember back when i was a 5 year old kid in Philippines, that i tried to stand out of the group...

and ended up getting punished for that. The teacher set up a fitting punishment for me as an example for the whole class. It wasn't funny, if i think about it now.

And i went to a Christian school (Don Bosco Private Academy).

News like this makes me mad and brings some bad memories about school life back then.

I live in Norway and here, they protect the rights of the kids, and physical punishment is illegal & punishable under law.

If the teacher did that in school, he would be pretty much jailed and stripped of his teaching profession.

Thank the gods i spent my best school years here in cold, old Norway rather in Philippines.

just my 2 cents.

"Apart from teachers sexually harassing students, lack of nourishment in meals and humiliating punishment, students may get the occasional slap around the face by a teacher."

Suddenly my looming exchange student year doesn't seem like such a good idea.... lol

You understand behaviour like that if you've ever read gajinsmash.net =P

I think it's not necessery but...I think it should be allowed if the teacher tells the student to stop doing something for the 20th time without any effects. In some extreme cases teachers should be allowed to take upon some physical actions for example when the student is bullying someone
:/

I wonder if there's a connection between teaching a kid by example that the use of force is an acceptable way to get what you want and bullying.

Yea, we do eat the cane for serious offences. I was almost caned once during my primary school days.

I was involved in a brawl, got caught and received a stern warning. Then out of the blue, one day, my friend accuse me of hitting him in the canteen while I was in the classroom doing duty. Apparantly he got bullied by some others and used me as a target board.

Finally, when we do bad stuff the trick is "Do but dun get caught". My school made a rule abt running in the corridors. Yea and I ran past the corridor (since I was late for lessons), my principal was BEHIND a wall talking to some teachers.

He decided to cane me but as he was fixing the date for public caning, I graduated from primary school XD.

In Portugal the teacher is forbidden of any kind of violence towards the student 1st cuz its the law, 2nd cuz the parents don't allow it and 3th, they might get expelled for the education system. Of corse that the student doesn't have the advantage, he can be expelled from class, sent to the school board and even be expelled from the school(this goes to your record and other school may not accept you anymore). I can say that I've been punished cuz I went to a catholic private school, ears, knees on the ground with your hands under it(the worst of the punishment), stand still in front of class confronting the wall, expelled from class but only until 6th grade, after that its get difficult for the teacher to do it, they only expel you from class and you start to behave till you got no more punishment. At the univ, you can only get expelled, and only if you disturb the class(you aren't obligated to go to class, so make a noise, go out).

Not only students, but criminals get to taste the pain of the cane as well here in Singapore.

As much as I think canning a top of jail is barbarian torture (like in Singapore), I also think that sometimes parents/teachers have to be severe in order to teach limits to bad kids...

In the past, physical punishment is allowed in our country but a new ruling overturned that. Now, any form of physical punishment is prohibited and the any teacher caught doing that could possibly be fired even if the student actually did something wrong. However, the student might not be physically hurt but he/she will get screwed regardless (detention, community service, probation, expulsion, etc.).

well in Malaysia, some of the school kids get cane once in a while, then their parents will come to school, and in the end, the teacher will get fired or punish heavily. damn politics.

cmon, a slap in the face is nothing. holding a bucket for an hour is worse. its not necessary, but if the teacher cant go around without slapping then that means she is not a very good teacher. but i think physical punishment is ok, within limits

Hi Danny,

From the pic, I saw a pony tail Haruhi Nendoroid in cheerleader outfit. Just wondering where did you get those?
Anywhere(way) I can get one of those? It does not seem to be anywhere for sale.

Sharp ruler slaps on hands is worse.

It's really not a big deal unless it involves actual malice or attacks to the face. It's always the hands or the butt for me. No, not in a sexual way. heh

Canada has been corporal punishment free for decades, but it seems teachers do a pretty good job compensating with public humiliation. Standing facing a corner makes you look really dumb.

Hong Kong, they don't any more.

In America, if a teacher pinch a student and a student reports it, the teacher will get sue and fire faster than you can say "I want an attorney!"

Yea, caning does happen in Singapore schools, but it is an officially recognised form of punishment and only given by the principal - I haven't heard of teachers being authorised to carry out caning on their own discretion.

And it only happens up to pre-U.

Doesn't seem to happen often as far as I observe, though YMMV from school to school.

Where I live if you hit a student you get your ass sued off.

While I was at private school, there was no punishment what-so-ever for WHATEVER you did.
The boys in my class would beat on me, and they wouldn't even get a warning, even when I complained about it.
A slap in the face for reading is not a good cause. If they were assaulting somebody, then that's a cause.

Not sure if this has been said before, but in Singapore, teachers cannot physically punish students. Only for the most heinous of crimes is the cane used...

dang, poor kids >.<
in my school, we have no uniform and all that, and the teachers wont dare hit a student (if the teacher did, they'd probably get a black eye and a bloody nose,then sued)
punishment is only detention or suspension...
but one time, in 7th grade, my crazy math teacher sprayed my friend in the face with windex....o_O
thankgawd she left, man i hated her , she was a crazy b*tch of a teacher >.<

Was in a Chinese school from ages 7 to 12, and they used the cane for every little wrong you could possibly do. Like, getting a math question wrong, etc...><;

Disciplinary actions can be done without harming the students physically or mentally.
Violence will only result to more conflict.

personally i don't see what damage a caning or two can do, physically or mentally to the child. i come from the old school 'spare the rod spoil the child' generation. i think my parents would've been jailed for life in certain countries for all the beatings they put me through, haha. oh yeah i was angry and sore back then but i kind of see now why they did that to me back then.

i guess it's a common asian way of disciplining their child.

Not necesary but the kid was a little bastard ^^

ok guys, slapping with such force to cause nosebleed in probably to brutal

but here are the facts in France: over the past months, I can't tell you how often teachers in France have been sued for slapping students

Justice is always condamning them

but let's face the reality

for years now, teenagers, sometimes aged 10 ! were insulting their teachers

is it normal for a teen to his teacher a b*tch or to be disrespectful ????

i remember when i was school, i was so afraid of being grounded. Everyone had respect for teachers.

today, kids are aggressive, disrespectful, smoking at early ages and even drinking alcohol.

bad parenting ? lack of parenting ? anyways, even if some teachers can be really stupid sometimes, they definitely deserve respect

did you know that parents are afraid of slapping their kids in France ??? just because they can be sued for violence over children

jeez, i've slapped a couple times and I never called the police accusing my parents for raising me the good way

totally stupid

by the way, most of the time, French teens under 16 cannot go to jail, that's delinquancy has reached a critical level

Here in the UK, hitting pupils is not allowed under any circumstances (quite right too if you ask me) - I'm a teacher, and some schools will allow teachers to send pupils out of the classroom for a while, and that's usually enough to discipline any misbehavior.

I remember when I was young my parents forced me to learn the multiplication's table. It was kinda hard that time, but now I feel it's very useful for day life

spare the rod and spoil the child i say. ^^

As a kid I was happy that the politicians passed a law just before I was born that outlawed hitting children. However it turned out that some children have ahard time learning to behave themselves by words only.

I remember when my sister learned to walk (read: run). She had the idea that she should explore everything, which is good. However at that age children lack knowledge of dangers so parents (and in this case, a much older brother too) have to ensure the safety of the child. Most dangerous stuff was out of reach, but if she tried to get dangerous stuff anyway (like meat knives and stuff like that), then we had to tell her not to do so. A kid of that age can easily fail to listen, but a gentle slap on the hand reaching for the dangerous stuff told the message. She was surprised but not hurt and she learned that it was off limits and a few seconds later she ran off happily to find something else to investigate. It wasn't nice to do so, but it toally beat the alternative. She was only slapped a few times (it works really fast!) and her feelings for her family wasn't hurt at all.

Today the schools are full of children who haven't been slapped at all in order to send such messages. They learned that it has no consequenses to do bad stuff so schools are like warzones. They torture each other (seriously, they do stuff to each other that's mentioned in conventions as torture) and because we by law have to protect children all the schools can do is to tell them not to do so again. If they do, they will be told again.

I wouldn't trust the teachers to be allowed to slap children again because I don't trust teachers anymore. We got a new law to prevent bullying in schools and a new survey told that it didn't help at all. The teachers didn't implement this law in their daily work. Also 60%-75% (can't remember the number, but it's way too high) of the children had been bullied by other children, but 100% had been bullied by teachers. The teachers will not take leadership and in such an anarchy some kid will take leadership. The easiest way for the teacher to control a class like that is to ally with the leader and I fear that the aid of the leader would be to beat his/her enemies. We got a rotten school system :(

A politician dared to touch this issue not long ago. He said that the law should be changed so in extreme cases the parents would be allowed to hit their children. He defined an extreme case like if a child did something that could kill another child. All other politicians hurried to call him mean and child hater, even politicians from his own party.

One final point: it shouldn't be needed to actually hurt children so they end up bruised. Also never hit in the head as they physchologically are likely not to recover from that.

I things that is same everywere worldwide!

There was a time when such a punishment was allowed in schools here. For the most part, it seems that generation grew up with the same violence and such we see today. Don't get me wrong, im not saying the older generation grew up perfect, but kids today just aren't allowed to get a good butt whooping from the teachers or the parents. Look at what we got because of it now, we got all kinds of misconduct going on, pointing fingers at different media outlets, saying they are to blame. It just keeps getting worse too.

It's great that people are against hitting children, but good smacks are sometimes needed. You can't enforce a punishment on them, if they don't have something to fear.

"Johny Jon Jon, go stand outside and hold a bucket of water"
"make me"
"don't make me hit you"
"don't make me press charges"

or something to that effect.

I think there are other forms of punishment. One may include the banishment of the student's manga for a period of time. This said, hitting children can sometimes disrupt their behaviour and cause them to become traumatized...just like Higurashi characters.

Well.. I think it'd be detention class or confiscating the manga.
Slapping.. naw.
Canes are quite common in primary schools. lol. Not secondary.

slap is a bit over. but cane on hand or butt is pretty normal in singapore. but thats 5 years ago. Now? even raising of voice can result in the suspension of the teacher! Kids these days too pampered!

The slapping would be necessary if the student regretted from their wrong.

*Bright slap*

My parents are the one that instructed the teachers to cane me if needed... Either that or my dad will do it. I thank them, since for that I am a better person now.

But asking me to pack a few canes in my bag, and gifting my teachers with a few canes is bit much... ... ... LOL...

Ah the memories... I'm such a terror... The power of social molding...

I think it's a real problem is that you can just tell some kids how to behave and they will do as they are told. Some kids will not care and greater force must be used. This seem cruel, specially to the children who would have listened. This means that teachers should figure out what to say/do to a child in each case, sometimes based on stuff the teacher has no way of knowing. Even if the teacher aims correctly at each child, then it will end up with "why did you just tell X to make sure to show up in time. You raised your voice when I was late. That's unfair"

I remember one time when the teacher/student communication missed. It was a morning class and when the bell rang, 5 students had turned up. 20 minutes later we were 20-24. The teacher got upset because it wasn't the first time this happened and told said something about that all the late students should be ashamed of themselves and should seriously consider getting up earlier because it's impossible to teach when the students fails to show up. I think we can agree that he should say something like that but what happened was that a girl got up, screamed that he was an insensitive mean bastard and that she was late because they had to call for an ambulance for her dad and that he was now in the hospital. After that she ran out of class crying D:
I still remember the "oh sh*t" look on the teacher's face when he ran after her. I know this is a bit extreme, but my point is that some students were still late so it would appear that the teacher wasn't hard enough on them while he was way too hard on that particular girl.

What do you think teachers should do: treat everybody equally and be horrible to children who listens or consider what they say to each kid and end up being called unfair? Or something 3rd (whatever that might be)?

I think punishment should be made.
But slapping is not the best way to do it.
I think if you want to get it set in their mind, some physical exercise would do the trick.
Not only is it good to your health, but if they get punish enough.
They would quickly learn not to do it again.

"making-kids-stand-in-hallway-holding-buckets-of-water"

hmmmm... reminds me of Ranma 1/2

I think the only ones who can slap a kids is the parents, not the teacher! The problem is that slapping a kid is consider violence against kid, that incorrect, when was kid my parents give slap when do wrong things, and don`t do again. To educate kid is not permit them do anything they want, that why when teens bully others, or even hit teachers...

I got standing in front of the class for forgot doing my home work. I also ever got my ear pulled and twisted.

Man, I really hate the teacher who pull me ear...

The only thing I remembered of violent teaching is one of the teachers made my friend eat chalk.

That's all. Not sure if it was true, but that's what she told me.

So far our teachers weren't violent with us, but then again there was no reason to be mean with us in the first place. I guess since we're filled with morals and stuff we go with positive reinforcement or something that will not harm us.

Am kinda glad I didn't study in Japan, if that's what I have to fear. The worst thing I have to fear really is going home from school, since it's not safe to commute here..especially at night.
But grade schoolers don't have to worry about that too much. It's only those in high school and college, and at that age they are more mature to handle that

In agree with the sentiment expressed in many of the preceding comments that the teacher's reaction in this situation was inappropriate. Would it not have been easier for the educator to simply remove the distraction (the manga) from the student? I honestly cannot recall the exact amount of comic books, toys, trading cards, etc. that were taken up by my teachers during my early schooling, but I remember one specific teacher that had an entire desk drawer filled with confiscated contraband.

For most of my peers, the thought of losing their prized items was enough to deter them from behaving in such a manner, but for the severe repeat offenders, there was ISS (in-school suspension) where students were placed in basic isolation given their assignments and nothing more than paper and pencil everything else (their bags, pocket items, etc.) were held by the administrator until the end of the school day.

I don't approve of physical punishments or something like that. Better way to punish the student is to drive him away off the class. He won't be interrupting the lesson and he won't be able to do what he wants. And he won't learn anything that way, which means he will have to ask somebody to lend him notes and he will actually have to do something, if he wants to be prepared on a test.

In the US physical punishment is outlawed in public high school's, middle school's, and primary school's. The children know nothing of fear and many have never had a hand raised to them even at their own home. This is more what i would liek to see happen, minus the slap of course. The use of physical force as a method of getting a student to do what they are supposed to do.

A simple smashing a ruler across the kids desk would have worked well. It startles and grabs teh childs attention dragging it away from the preoccupying object. In my high school it worked wonders. A single well placed smash could send the offending child back into the rest of the class in attention heart race eye's wide gripping their chest. No physical contact while garnishing the respect needed for them to be instructed.

However, I don't approve of the student actually being struck. Thats goign too far. If I was in that students position I would have retaliated. True the child is probably not of the same personality as I, but I would of gone after the teacher. Verbally is most likely and physcially would have been last of course.

Although I think some kids these days deserve a slap or two to set them straight, I don't think it's in the realm of the teacher's responsibilities to be administering the slaps.

I've been spanked on my butt, and worse, had hands hit with a ruler. Oldschool!

Even the odd pushups, holding bucket, etc.

Kids these days are just way too spoiled. Slapping in the face seems a bit direct, but sometimes kids needs a good talking to and discipline. It'd be nice if all kids behaved simply by adult-styled talk. But let's talk reality here.

Makes me a little happy I was home schooled. I've heard some stories from a friend about getting stuff taken away while in class. She was reading manga in the classroom but, it was before class had even started. :/

Depends on the region you are in. I think the education discipline is different from the east and west. I do not think it was necessary to slap the person, but the child should not have been reading the manga in the first place.

I'm currently in master degree and teachers don't care about wshat you do when they do their teaching. But when I was in high school, teachers would scold you if you do anything more than listening to what he says.
When a teacher slap a student, it's always a big news. Recently one high school teacher commit suicide because of a student who told gibberish about him.

The situation seems overblown, but did not seem indecent at all. Perhaps you meant incident?

I think that slapping was extreme, but taking corporal punishment out entirely is also a mistake. If there are appropriate guidelines for legitimate corporal punishment (stand in corner, squats, etc), neither the child nor the teacher would have gotten out of hand

>Are students physically punished in schools in your region?
It is against the law here if I am not mistaken.

A slap was a little excessive, but I don't think hitting should be against the rules. Kids can be such brats and the ones who suffer for it are usually the rest of the class. In this case, reading a manga doesn't hurt anyone so I wouldn't have cared too much.

I think that a strong slap in the face causing a nosebleed was going way overboard and really humiliating. Usually teachers in my place would only say: "What are you doing? Share with the class :)" then the one who is either using the cellphone under the desk or reading something would just stop doing what he did and that would be all. At worst the teacher would just confiscate the object and give it back at the end. One funny thing I remember in the past was when the teacher got mad at a student, called him to go in front, told him to bent then kicked his ass, was hilarious ^^.

I think a slap in the face is a lil overboard too. I remember getting the "ruler-on-hand" treatment when I was in school in Hong Kong when I was young. Things like that can't possibly be imagined in North America because of "human rights" issues and what not. I can imagine 20 police cars outside the school escorting the teacher out if something like a slap on the face happened here in Toronto. To be honest, I think North American kids are a lil pampered in life until they reach the stage where they have to enter society. There needs to be consequences for doing something wrong these days.

My cousin used to live in Singapore, back in the 90's.
They used to be hit with bamboo sticks, I don't know how it is now.

I'm gonna use a old man's phrase here... "Kids these days..."

I guess there are better ways of dealing with problems like that, but I saw several times situations where I wouldn't blame teachers for giving physical punishment.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but specially in the university I studied, every year that passed I saw more and more spoiled "kids" that would just disrupt classes because they lacked respect to the teachers.

And in Brazil's case, teacher's not only are grossly underpaid, but also our culture of stupidity and ignorance tends to treat them as people who deserve less respect that some other jobs.

Which is just sad, and one of the main reasons why Brazil will never really be a developed country.

Wow. Here in the UK the abuse happens the other way round. You'll be lucky if your students even listen to you or have any respect for you and you daren't lay a finger on them even if they're being completely disruptive. Which is better? I know where I'd want my kids to grow up, but that's just my opinion.

My dad and I were talking aobu this the other day and he feel that it not appropiate for school. As a kid when dad went to Catholic school; he was abused because he was a slow learner. The trama was very emotional and metal for him.

My older sister is teacher she has mixed views on it but for the most part is against it.

As for me I feel that might be necessary to deal with some trouble makers. That disrute the learn process for others very frequently.

Whoa.... a slap shouldn't be necessary, he should've confiscated the manga and make him stand in the hallway or something, instead.

Well I have experience going to school in Korea for a few years, and teachers beat me up everyday. I hated going school, but the only reason I went to school is to see my buddies.
The rest was TRASH~!!!!
The stress was tremendous that I started smoking and drinking...during high school year.

Slap in the face is nothing. I got hit by a Hocky stick, wooden sword(they use this in Japanese martial art Kendo), Golf iron, fist, foot, and etc... I dont even remember everything.
Humiliation punishment for holding a water bucket is weak. I had to take off my pants, shoes, socks, and I had to kneel in the middle of the hallway where everyone can see me during winter time. (Freezing to death.)

Some ppl might say, y didnt I call the police... well it was fairly normal at that time.
The police doesnt want to get involved in it. Many ppl think high school students or Junior High students are stupid. So they think we deserve to get beat up and get punished.

I think if you give violence, more violence you are going to get...

That wouldn't be good for me! I always used to read stuff in classes, lol. I remember getting sent out in the hall for it once in a while, but I was good a smuggling a book out with me and just doing what I was doing anyways.

I remember a friend who got hit on the head with a walkie-talkie for talking back to a warden teacher (was in a boarding school back then). He fainted but luckily no permanent harm done.

As for the teacher, he panicked then ran off somewhere. We heard he received a reprimand. Didn't get sacked though.

Granted some kids deserve to be punished, but really, some people are taking the saying 'spare the rod spoil the child' a little too far.

I remember seeing a teacher beating a classmate with a ruler until the ruler snapped in half back in primary school (10+ years ago). His arms were bright red and bruised at the end of the day. The teacher didn't seem to get into trouble though.

being punished for doing something bad is part of growing up. especially in school. but a slap on the face is too much.i remember our teacher use to beat us 50 times ( for each hand) for not doing our home work. or sometimes let us kneel during class. i think punishing children is an asian thing. you can't punish children in the U.S. (for human rights purposes)

My parents/grandparents physically punished me when I was very young. It straightened me out and made me into a good kid by elementary school. If I was a parent, I'd do the same out of love.

Back there in my country, I hear that in public schools the student slaps the teacher (if he don't get shot instead).

In Singapore, the cane is often considered one of last few resorts for punishment and given only when the offence is really serious.

I think teachers slapping their students is not a good idea but public punishments like canning are necessary.
Some of you guys have to understand that few teachers are humiliated and bullied by some of the bad bunches in some schools.
This is why home education is very important. Parents gotta tame their kids properly.

Hmm, that's not right but, I guess it'll still happen anyways ;_;
I remember that even after corporal punishment was abolished over here.. I still got hot for certain things ^^;

Here in Thailand, We stop physical punishment for a while now. Still, teachers alway complain that sometime cane is necessary.

I went to a Catholic school for girls. Didn't have anything like that. As far as I know, we never had any form of corporal punishment in our school. Mom went to the same school back in the day when it was still new. Maybe the older schools did decades ago... wouldn't know XD

That king of stuff is grounds for imprisonment here in the states... we're so very sensitive and overprotective of our kids but I agree a form of punishment is necessary at school. It's up to the parents i guess.

is this allowed in japan ?
I mean the police was called so I guess not

in germany, if a human hits a human, its a direct violation of law

doesnt matter if its teacher and student lols

I have not personally experienced this kind of treatment at the hands of teachers, but I've seen other students being physically punished for improper conduct.

Here his comic would get confiscated until his parents came in to get it back on his behalf. But slapping him? Way over the top!

not a very smart kid i guess, class isn't supposed to be your personal manga time, if your gonna read manga in class, at least hide it. Conversly, if I were the teacher I would have asked the student to put away the book and if he didn't I would tell the student to put it away, or go to the office (i assume he would only get the book confiscated if he went to the office). If the student refused to do either, I would take the manga, drop it in the garbage can and drop a match into the wastebasket, a bucket full of water would work too and you could drop cellphones in it too.
anyone with me?

I would just take the manga away and keep it until the end of the month.

I don't know the context of that situation, but if teachers could punish students harder (it doesn't need to be a slap), there would be much more order in many schools.

What it's ridiculous is seing 8 year old children shouting "I'll sue you!" to their PARENTS if they are slapped :S

at my time the teacher would hit our knuckles =/ clench ur fist and put it on the table, she's then use the edge of a ruler and do some targeting practice with it... >.< hurts like hell..

and yes during my times (1998+) its usually the cane, or detention, or the meet ur parents and tell them u've been a bad boy so ur parents can then cane u at home....those type of things haha

so different now tho...kids getting more arrogant, think they noe all the rights bestowed unto them and speaks back at the teacher lol....

sometimes u gotta be flexible ya noe? ~_~;;

I witnessed such an incident where a student got 3 strokes of a cane. Its an uncommon issue in Singapore.

here in australia punishments depend on the teacher. some make you stay behind and make up for it and sometimes you have to do extra credit.
one morning i got a new manga and was caught reading it in class. the teacher confiscated it and started to read it for the remainder of the class...apparently he was a fan of the series and wanted to read the newest volume too -_-

Well, my teacher was biased when I was in primary 5, when i was 11. She would make do stand outside the classroom for no reason whatsoever and make me stay back for nothing. but, i was a very good kid and dod not get into trouble with the school at all, so, i wasn't caned. but the psycho teacher somehow seems to like physical abuse and started squeezing my shoulders whenever she sees me. She's a little crazy, my parents agreed on that.