外人 電車 騒動

Damn those Gaijins. Making it bad for others :(

(Did they shout something like 'Nova! Nova' in the video? ^^;)

Send the bastards back to where they came from - get out of Japan!

They are probably nova teachers with no money and nowhere to go. Should be tied, gagged and thrown onto the tracks .

:( I hate being group with them. Me= good gaijin that isn't going to be an idiot when he goes to Japan.

KONNA GAIJIN WA DETTEKE.

they look like spoiled rich kids to me...

LEAVE ME ALONE GAIJINS!!!

Well...there goes our reputation.

Not like it was good in the first place.

Strange I don't remember this type of thing happening here in our major cities, to tell the truth most of the "gaijin" that come here are well behaved but if a group gets to do this sort of thing our services of foreigners and borders tend to send them home immediately.

This sort of thing in Japan is bad because it gives a bad image of us westerners.

Hopefully something bad happens to them. I hate degenrates like them.

This is crazy. Send them back NAO!!!

the ignorance of a few creates the suffering for many...its no suprise that racism lives and lives and lives...

あれはばかがいこく人だよ
...すてる　(*・_・)ノ⌒*

i'd like to kick their asses one by one :/

crazy gaijins are crazy

those people should be sent back to where they came from

this is madness! >_<

if sending them back to where they came from doesn't work, there's always the trusty black note book. well, provided we know their names...

Criminal activity should be treated on a case by case basis, and, if deportation is required then so be it.
I can't honestly say I approve of American fratenity style antics, but there's something about the phrase 'send tham back to where they came from' that turns my stomach.
I thought blanket nationalism would fall into a racist category of comment?

ScummyHawker,
Sorry about that - my stomach was turning too when I wrote this article.

God that pisses me off...
I loose 50 points of hard earnt respect because of those fools.
Send them back and never let them back in :(

damn those retards! send them back to their holes!

wow, ok
those gaijin are a-hole.
the leonidas guy in the pic. don't find anything wrong with him, i though cosplay who take train is alright

This doesn't just make me feel bad for being an American, but for being a human. They make me cry.

I hate it when 外人 do things like this, it just makes it worse for the rest of us who have not been able to get into Japan yet. They really need to get their act together or just get out the country, it just makes me sad/mad. :

There's always a group like that around, who push things beyond the boundaries of what is proper and generally make themselves into nuisances.

Even if other foreigners are not part of the disorder, they still have to shoulder the blame. It's times like these I'm glad i'm of oriental descent. That way, I'm able to blend in more easily and don't grab attention as much. I feel sorry for those who get thrown into that sort of group because they doesn't have that little advantage since, for japanese, gaijin = anyone non oriental.

I'll play Devil's Advocate here....

It should be mentioned that the video Danny is showing was posted a week ago so these events likely happened in 2006 or earlier.....

Now check the video from this article on Japan Probe: http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=3030

Notice that there are plenty of Japanese that are active participants. Also notice that there is a train conductor was riding in the car and he doesn't appear to have a problem with the riders.

Ok, I'm done playing Devil's Advocate. I'm certainly not big on any vandalism that may occur on such an event. Most of the participants are harmless but almost anytime you've got heavy drinking and a lot of people, you are going to have problems.

However the main problem with a party like this is that these folks are mainly guests in Japan. I've always believed in the motto, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" In other words behave. IMO this is especially applied in a country like Japan where consideration for others is held in higher regard than consideration for one self. Events like this only serve to strengthen stereotypes.

No offense to those westerners reading this, but there are those from the west who insist on behaving like they're still living in their country and don't conform to any of the rules or customs of their "host country", and that is always an annoying thing. It gives everybody else from the west, even the really decent fellows (of which there are a lot too) a bad rep.

They broke the law (disturbing the peace, hijacking public property and indecent exposure come to mind), and there's no denying that. Halloween is no excuse for anything, especially since I don't think Japan values Halloween as much as some other countries do.

I think it's important the the other Gaijin's openly condemn what happened, to show the Japanese people that they aren't all rowdy drunks.

Great work dumbasses! Now I'll have a hard time trying to see extended family in Kyoto. Gaijin baka

Send them to jail, let them stew for a whole week (without torture, of course but some brainwashing would be nice).

I guess a trip to Expel is a bit too harsh and that leaving those evildoers roam free is not acceptable either.

Nightshade, I agree with you except for one point. No country, province/state, city or town wants such staples of hooliganism-ish behavior.

Of course craziness has no frontiers but it should have limits, for everybody's well-being.

So jail and some huge fine in my opinion as their sentence, definitely.
And if recidivism ensues, some trip back home.

By the way, didn't you want to say "run amok" instead of "run a muck"?

Sounded a bit like goo to me. ;)

woah, sadly I wasn't able to check out the news. although I should probably just be glad that we didn't come accross these people while going around the subway. People like these do give decent mannered Gaijins living in Japan a bad name. however deporting them might be too harsh a punishment, probably a little bit of community service, it might give them that bit of discipline that they badly need.

Baka gaijin, its gaijin like that which lead to gaijin stereotypes in Japan. Just because they can do it doesn't mean that they should do it, even if it is for Halloween. Though I believe if they did that in America they would be beat down for being idiots by not only officers but the public as well. Then they spend some nice time in jail for being idiots.

Idoits. Bunch of idoits. They deserve to be in jail.

Idiots like that cause stereotyping. Happens when i'm out and about sometimes. There will most likely be a crowd of idiot pakistanis and everyone around them will just think that I am exactly the same. Pisses me off so much.

uh... I'd let them off with a warning and some community service time (like fixing the train... or cleaning all the trains XD).

I think it's pretty harmless. They have been doing this for years if not decades and there are plenty of Japanese participants.

This is just sad.
I am against all types of stereotyping. Even if, yes, crimes and problems like those do happen a lot BECAUSE of foreigners on Japan.
But that's not an excuse for prejudice and stereotyping for the japanese folk also.

This is more about law enforcement, and making more strict rules on imigration.

Like if you're caught doing stuff like that, you're out. Maybe not this strict, but something along the lines.

Thing is, there's a culture shock. I heard that at the beginning of brazilian imigration to Japan, even criminals were allowed to go.
Things like that are bound to happen.

Brazil is much more open to stuff like turning a train into a party (though not that much... because probably the people who were riding it would kick their asses).

So add that to drinking and a criminal record, and there it goes.

Generally speaking, I think foreigners must always respect the country they are visiting, specially on the cultural aspect. That, or they will eventually be politely invited to GTFO.

But I always disagree that imigrants that are respectful should be treated accordingly. Lots of brazilians and other foreigners are on Japan to work only, mostly doing jobs japanese won't accept doing.

It's pretty close to what happens to mexicans and americans.

Well partying is a good thing but here I see a big group of drunk or will be drunk people, who are disturbing the other passangers. I also need from time to time to relax and party but not where you are disturbing the people around you. And in this case is very bad because all of the gaijin will be clamed for bad people :)

My last words came out wrong... I always disagree that immigrants who respect the countries culture and law should be treated like those who doesn't.

What I admire in Japan is that there's a time and a place to do such things. So I kinda disagree when people say that they should be more "open" to things like that.

A train is not the place for a guy to get naked, and do whatever he wants to.

Should be arrested, and I hope he is.

Stupid effing twats!

It really annoys me when stuff like this happens. From my experiences there, the vast majority of people in Japan are so polite, courteous, well spoken and law abiding. It must be so easy for individuals to cause chaos and unrest, but no one does because they can be trusted to all live together in a harmonious environment.
Its a nice feeling being amongst a society that 'works'.

And then these idiots come in. Im guessing theyre mostly Americans as Halloween is a predominantly American holiday and one of the most pointless ones there is.
No disrespect to American readers with that comment, as a vast majority of you wouldnt do anything like this. Its all good having fun in appropriate surroundings, but not when you more or less hijack their spotless public transport and wreck it.

They need their skulls cracking and a spell in jail - just to show that the law enforcement aint as soft as they think they are!

All i can say, is it doesnt help the image of gaijin being boisterous, drunken trouble makers!

I dont even want to watch that video...

>rants<

I really hate people like that! When i went to Japan it was such a contrast, everyone was curtious, helpful, and reserved, whereas back over in England, people have loud conversations on their phone, they are loud and they push you around if your in the way. And like you said, they give the rest of us a bad name. Thats seems to be the way all around the world, you get a few troublesome gaijins and they give a bad name to all the rest.

-.- I shall make a giant robot and fly around picking off all the troublemakers then i will promtley throw them into the sea ^_^

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm -

You have to keep in mind what it's like for many Gaijin in Japan - you get treated like shit for what seem like, NO REASON.

Now if a bunch of Gaijin on 1 day of the year all get dressed up and "hi-jack" a train, I can't be mad at them for that.

Reminds me of my Australian friend who moved to Tokyo to teach English, the most common profession in Japan for foreigners. The SECOND day he was there some-one spray-painted the letters "GAIJIN OUT!" (in Japanese) on the side of his building. He was then contacted by the Apartment management to PAY to have it cleaned up - as this was CLEARLY his fault!!

He couldnt even read or write Japanese yet! He was made to pay the
fee, hmmm - welcome to Japan!

Don't forget all the NOVA teachers in Japan ALL out of a job, because NOVA had to suspend part of it's language school operations, because they found guilty by a court of "misleading their customers" (aka telling them they would be learning their chosen foreign language at a higher level).

NOVA has been known FOR YEARS to treat their foreign staff like shit, under-paying them, lying to them about pay-rises, shipping people off to South Korea (where they were treated REALLY badly) etc...

Many more stories where these come from, trust me.

Some people are mad about their train being late because of the Halloween train party - nig deal!

I remember being in delayed trains in Tokyo all the time , because people KILL THEMSELVES on the train-lines so often! _ Then the family of the dead person has to pay a HUGE SUM for that to be cleaned up, etc! Come on! I'd rather people unwind sometimes and have a laugh , rather than letting all that stress build up and then throw yourself in front of a train!

Seriously.

It's tremendously sad to see those things happen....
Why do some gaijin feel so obliged to impose their unmannered behavior???
To impress???
Where's the simpliest form of respect in this "stunt"??
Not even to mention the reputation it's going to inflict on other foreigners, the well-mannered...??
Soo sad

wtf is that?! i stopped the video on minute 1:20 it's just unpleasant i can't watch it, that scared the hell out of me. too noisy, ugh! crazy people! that's really sad!! i think they're on drugs. anyway, i've never really liked halloween wierd stuff happens during that day, i'm not talking about black cats or anything like that i'm talking about kids who disappear and get killed on those days. so danny did you go out that day??

Danny,
Im kind of disappointed that you didnt put a third option in your poll: have them punished by the same lawful means that anyone else, foreigner or not, would be.
.... okay, thats kind of long, I can see why you didnt put it as an option.

I am really tired of everything being blamed on the “Americans”. Every time someone does something wrong in another country it’s the Americans. There were people from all nationalities in that video, and I can tell you for a fact that foreigners do stupid, thoughtless things in this country.

ScummyHawker, thank you for putting it so succinctly.

NightShade, the truth of the matter is it has nothing to do with westerners. People go to other countries all the time and refuse to change the way they are, and the way they are used to living. I had a friend that was Korean, all his friends were Korean except me, and they all just hung out and didn’t want to associate with anyone who was not Korean. In every major city we have “China” town, or “Little Italy”, this is because people want to do what they are used to and associate with who they are comfortable with. Im no condoning this behavior, not at all, Im simply saying that “westerners” aren’t the only ones who do this.

Furax, “Americans think that the world is theirs and they can do whatever they want.
“ --- are you serious? This is just an ignorant comment. Since you don’t know me or anyone I know, maybe you shouldn’t speak for me.

Momojiro, I am sorry you did not get to celebrate your wifes birthday as you would have wished because of some inconsiderate PEOPLE (notice I didn’t use a derogatory term).

Lizardman, honestly though, if you were inconvenienced you would be upset by this too. Maybe without the racial ignorance though.

XSportSeeker, I agree with a lot of what you said. I try to have the utmost respect for countries I have visited, and make an effort to learn the customs and languages so I did not offend it. I also agree that this is not an excuse for prejudice.

You know, the video clearly shows some of the faces of the gaijins that participate in the train hijack.
If the Police can identify those people by using the video as proof, can they prosecute them?

I, an American, am not related to the people shown in this video... >_>
People that are not American, please don't group us all as the same, know that we are diverse and only 75% of Americans are retarded party animals like them :P.

Argh. I read about this elsewhere (not on JapanProbe though) and this is just irritating. Irritating because this enforces the negative image people have of Americans/Gaijin/Etc., but also irritating because people are STILL stupid enough to treat every foreign person that comes to their country like a friggin ambassador that's representative of EVERYBODY over in that country. That's not fair to anyone.

It's not like this doesn't happen every year...maybe it was a little worse than last year, but they should have expected it.

You can't reallly 'hijack' a train...it was basically just a bunch of noisy drunken gaijins. Where I'm at they'd be lucky if the seats and windows were still intact. It's Halloween, people party...they do plenty of stupid things, but no one can be perfect all the time.

this kind of behaviors should be penalized in a severe way ..uncontrolled behaviors let people act the way they want and that leads us to decadence

@DRAGUN
Because quite clearly you can see 'Americans' are responsible for many screw ups around the world, its little wonder people are quick to blame you. You may not like it but it’s the way things are.
In the video's I’ve seen so far you can certainly hear the American’s or people with American accents. There may be other nationalities in there but the not the rowdy ones.
This behaviour is NOT normal or typical in Japan and thus should not be tolerated or defended. CLEARLY

Yes people do stupid things all the time. But these people made the decision to go to Japan, they should at least know how to behave in one culturally.

ive never understood the whole idea of lets get drunk and smash stuff up because it's cool. It seems to becoming the norm for kids these days in the UK.

Nothing wrong with some fun or sensible drinking, but when it gets to the point that you are making a nuisance of yourself and damaging property its gone to far.

I hope Japan never fall's victim to this kind of culture, a big reason id like to go live in Japan is to get away from that kind of thing in my own country.

In conclusion, they only real otpion is to send in the storm troopers on them.

Simple solution to solve this problem, sent them all back to where they belong and never let any of them in the country again. Also, make sure that each of them pays for damages and apologize publicly for the inconvenience and poor behavior.

It's #ssholes like these that make it hard for the rest of us in Japan. No excuse justifies this kind of poor behavior. Just remember we are guest when in Japan and must alway behave in a more responsible manner than anyone else. When a foreigner screws up it always BIG news, especially in Japan.

As an American I know it's hard for us in Japan. All to often life is made difficult for us in Japan. I personally have experienced it and have always found Japanese very different when they realize I'm not a loud mouth, whiny, complaining American.

As an American I know all to well that it's not how Americans truly are, but how the world views us to be. If Americans want the respect we use to have then we need to start acting better than we do now.

this is just retarded. who on earth gave them the right to get drunk and run amok ??

No offense to all immigrants/foreigners/gaijins out there but i feel that some of your kind have a problem of trying to impose your influences on other peoples turf. learn to respect others and others will respect you in return its as simple as that get it??

By the way, those bastards in the video there should be burned at the stake IMO.

What idiots, they shouldn't even do that at home and especially not in a foreign country...

man these @$$holes make their countries look bad...they should have their naked rears thrown in jail and heavily fined...and thats considered going easy on them here...

i agree with Vic, just have some fun. ^^

Idiots like that get arrested over here. Tomorrow is Halloween for us so we'll probably see some more stuff show up online in a a while. In my opinion, the cops should have came and arrested the whole lot and given them fines.

Good Job! Gaijins are officially hated by ALL. yeah...Good job.
Stupid, Retarted Morons should of been shot in the head on the spot. Some people should just get run-over by the train.(Like those people in the article) *So much hate! God!* Now ALL of us will have to suffer because of some morons wanting to have a really good time.

This whole situation is REALLY embarassing!

This will definitely further increase the alienation of gaijins in Japan by the locals. Very sad.

This train party has been organized every year since when I can't tell exactly but the fact that it's not the first year means that no action has been taken to counter it.
And it's not by courtesy...
I'm totally against this, (read my previous post) but I think the range of this disorder is not big enough to alert authorities.
Remember that it is just one train, on the whole yamanote line.
If authorities want it to stop they can just arrest some of those guys to threaten next party, or advertise it for people not to be bothered to find their train not available.
Also they can deal with party organizers to not set this party on the last train.
There are many ways to arrange it, spitting on gaijin is not a way, neither it is to be racist on americans.
Try to think about solutions instead of overbid in insults the former posts buying yourself a good gaijin conscience.

that's just stupid, they make other people who visit Japan look bad >_

GOD SAVE JAPAN FROM THIS PEOPLE @@!!!

Arrgh!
where are the police?
why didnt japanese intellegence agency work from "behind the scene" to prevent this disaster happen

it rly made forgeiners look bad...

Have no idea why fingers were pointed at Americans in particular. As far as I know, many of these bunch were from all over the place.

zaaaaaaa, D_blade,
Google says that a few million spell it "a muck" ^^;

無くしたさん、
「害人」の書き方初めて知った^^;
Momojiro,
Sorry to hear that.

chipstarさん,
おっしゃる通りです。

まこっちゃん 、
外国人も自分のことを「外人」と呼ぶ人がいいみたいです。でも「さん」を付けると大丈夫ですよね？

@Uradox,
I dont know how you feel that Americans are "responsible" for a lot of the things wrong in the world. I suppose it was us who is killing monks in Myamnar? I suppose Americans were the fault of Japanese salarymen throwing themselves in front of trains? Maybe its Americans faults that there was a tsunami in Taiwan? This unsubstantiated and ignorant attitude is repeated by so many people across the world it makes me sick. Its sad that people want to blame problems that THEY create or cant handle on another country. The SAME country they run to for help when they need it. Never hear about the good things America is doing in the world anymore do you?

Interesting how two faced the world is.

If the police cant handle a couple of rowdy kids on a train, then maybe they should stop spending money on automated kiosks, and more on salaries for officers. There are foreigners in every country, it is antiquated and petty to think that you have a right to treat other people like they dont have a right to live somewhere. You will ALWAYS be welcome here, without the racism.

Sorry for the rant.

If you watch the videos, you'll see that those people are American. It's always the Americans who screw it up for the rest of us! I've seen it for myself too, on my travels.

recently there was this case in singapore whereby 3 gaijin squeezed inside a rickshaw paddled by an elderly. They made fun of the elderly because he was going very slow (obliviously, it's 3 grown men we are talking about here!)

Not only did they bully the poor elderly, they also refuses to pay the fare and even filmed their rickshaw ride and posted it online on YouTube.

for those interested, this is the news paper article
http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,146408,00.html?

this is the video on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB_GoQ-h9Zg

Keats, Im sorry to hear how narrow minded and ignorant your views of other countries are. Blaming a whole country for the actions of a few young, inconsiderate people is stereotyping. You have never met me, I am American, and I can say for sure that I have never screwed up any of your "travels". Maybe as you grow up your will realize the realities of the world, instead of the regurgitating the racism of your parents.

Gordon, Gasp! But.. but, these people arent Americans! They were British. Im sure we were responsible for this somehow, just as Keats. I guess immaturity comes in all forms from all countries. Interesting.

keats, if you're starting to generalize, you're not out of the woods (I'd even say you're following the trails of people who begin to hate without having the sufficient number of proofs).

How can you be totally sure they are all Americans? Passports, ID cards? Unlikely to ask them out of the blue and that they would cooperate.

Maybe they all were in your case... But you seem to forget that no one is spared by the Demon of Stupidity and Weirdness in this world.
There are good and bad people of each country. Like I said some time before, I am even less tolerant about my own culture and family (and other people from my ethnic group) because they feel so superior, but don't even try a tiny bit in changing their ways.

Trust me, if you begin to reason like this, you're soon going for racist thoughts, even if you claim to be open-minded.

Sorry for this long rant, but I had to say that.

I must say that Americans (I'm half American, other Japanese) are a little rowdier in groups though, just a tad.

I've never seen a louder train ride than that video. I've lived in both New York and Los Angeles, and wow. I would have got off at the next stop to wait for the next one.

(1) I never mentioned about killing monks and it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
(2) I never mentioned about Japanese salarymen jumping in front of trains and while it remotely has something to do with trains, it still has nothing to do with what I said.
(3) I never mentioned about tsunami’s either
Could you possibly be more off issue when responding to something you dislike?

アホなアメリカ人はいつも自分が世界の中心だと思ってる、みんな彼らのとおりに従うべきだって。
その品行に弁明はない。弁護できる見込みはない。

seems like the gaijin rickshaw incident i mentioned yesterday make it to UK and was published by the Daily Mail, a UK national newspaper.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490946&in_page_id=1770

although i disapprove of the 3 gaijins' behaviour, i'm also sadden to see the reactions of some fellow singaporeans who made comments on the Youtube video.

i think they seriously overacted by calling them names and making harsh comments, even threat! i apologise on behalf of them if any brits here felt offended.

@Uradox,
Actually, you did blame this on Americans. You said "Because quite clearly you can see 'Americans' are responsible for many screw ups around the world...", so these things would, according to you, fall under our responsibility. Ignorance. Obviously you are prejudiced (judging someone prematurely or irrationally).

(貧しい日本人を許し) であり私守っている彼らの行為を仮定する。私はない。私はどうしてもアメリカ人の世界の混乱の責任にしている認めない。育てなさい。

人種的優越感のための弁解がない

Obviously your having a hard time reading. I still did not blame EVERYTHING (including what your accusing me of) on Americans.
But you should have an understanding also of how the world perceives you. You may not like it but it is reality. Look at your history as well. Full of interesting stuff.

壊れた日本語か。

Thank you for showing me how ignorant SOME people in the world are. I think we can ALL learn from our history, Japanese, Americans.. EVERYBODY. Learning from our mistakes include RACISM, maybe you should think about that.

私の悪い日本語のために私は謝る。

Since you are not perfect, you have no right to judge an entire country. Come back and talk to me when you are perfect. Until then, maybe you should learn to respect MY culture, instead of just your own.

Expel the foreign barbarians(the ones like this-stereotypical rude and obnoxious gaijin) and forbid them from entering Japan ever again!

japan doesn't need outsiders like them coming in and ruining the place. They should keep that in their own country.

yea that sucks....i live in a very peaceful neighborhood out here in Georgia...and if a bunch of ppl came and jst went out of control i would be pissed off too....makes all americans look terrible. when i move to japan, ill be a peace loving person jst like i am now.

They're makin' a mess and are getting in the way to people there. And from what you said about Japanese landlords getting reluctant about renting their place to these gaijins, well it goes to show.

I feel horrible.

And to think I planned to live in Japan and those idiots are ruining it for me >_<

Now I just hope I look close enough to be Japanese

Hmmm...seems like it will be harder to get in. Hopefully landlords become more open in about 4-5 months... ^^;

This is the reason why people like me have trouble going to Japan. FREAKIN NAUGHTY GAIJIN LSKG:LFASJHG:LAHJHKL

hm to be honest, i dont need the respect of people who judge the whole world by the actions of some idiots... what do i care about the opinion of some racists?

who cares! even if their American (like me) send those trouble making weirdos back home!!!