オレオレ詐欺

Mon 2007/10/22 18:26 JST
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オレオレ詐欺の被害がまた出た。そこで気になるのは二つの点がある。。。

1.「あたしあたしよ詐欺」の女性版はないのか?
2.海外でもこのような詐欺は存在するのか?
以上今日のディスカッションは2番目^^;

ところで、だまされたおばあさんの画像がなく、だまされた表情の女の子の画像しか見つからない。Pink Chu Chuさんのみらろまにでているエリカちゃんだ。

このサイトは元JALのエンジニア、アマゾンのウェブサイトマネージャー、マイクロソフトのプロダクトマネージャーそして現在MIRAI株式会社の社長ダニー・チューが書いているブログです。詳しくは彼のプロフィールでどうぞ。
いつも読んで頂いている方はこの挨拶を永遠に閉じよう^^;

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  • D_Blade
    D_Blade in Montreal (Registered on 2006/12/31)
    Non-profit org. volunteering work addict

    Never heard about it until I read this post (Never happened to my family, hopefully).

    That is quite a sum of money. I still wonder why some people don't find it weird that the person gives his/her account number like that (I know, that is the centre of the problem and if people were aware enough, this would never work).

    Hopefully my family knows I would never do that kind of stuff, so they don't fall in such a simple trap.

    Being aware and transmitting information for avoiding cases like that is the key, as for all scams.

    I just hope that that old woman gets all of her money back.

    Mon 2007/10/22 18:25:00 JST (ID #60562)
    reply to D_Blade's comment
  • JapanAnime
    JapanAnime in Hilversum, Holland (Registered on 2007/08/05)
    4th Year Business Economics Student

    We have a similar type of fraud here. Criminals (very popular under immigrants from certain regions of Europe) go to senior houses and ring the door bell. If the old person opens the door they start to tell a very said story and ask for (a lot of) money. In most cases the old person starts to feel compassionate and goes with them to an ATM and takes up a lot of money and gives it to them. In some cases these criminals come back to their victim with another said story to ask for more money!

    Mon 2007/10/22 18:56:34 JST (ID #60566)
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  • qingy
    qingy in front of the monitor (Registered on 2007/10/05)
    Gunpla Enthusiast

    wow, that old lady must be rich. but sadly these things do happen and it's discouraging and sad.

    Mon 2007/10/22 19:23:17 JST (ID #60568)
    reply to qingy's comment
  • Shin
    Shin in Port Swettenham (Registered on 2007/10/20)
    Aspiring Trap
    http://www.atalude.net/

    Happens here every now and then, though mostly involving foreigners or those get rich quick scams.

    Mon 2007/10/22 19:34:56 JST (ID #60569)
    reply to Shin's comment
  • syrix
    syrix in U.S. (Registered on 2007/03/21)
    student
    http://animesugoi.animeblogger.net/

    Sad that we live in a world like this. To trick the elderly too is pretty bad.

    Mon 2007/10/22 20:47:44 JST (ID #60571)
    reply to syrix's comment
  • alucrid
    alucrid in Pennsylvania (Registered on 2007/09/20)
    Student

    While most of the stuff near me is insurance fraud and things like that I'm sure this goes on as well.

    Mon 2007/10/22 20:48:16 JST (ID #60572)
    reply to alucrid's comment
  • CyruzDraxs
    CyruzDraxs in Kelowna, BC, Canada (Registered on 2007/09/11)
    Web Design & Development
    http://www.nerdculture.org

    We have scams here all the time, only over here we call it "The Government". :P

    Mon 2007/10/22 20:57:04 JST (ID #60576)
    reply to CyruzDraxs's comment
  • skankywonders
    skankywonders in California (Registered on 2007/08/09)
    Student

    That's actually stupid in a smart way, or smart in a stupid way...

    Mon 2007/10/22 22:00:00 JST (ID #60580)
    reply to skankywonders's comment
  • Trent
    Trent in Minnesota (Registered on 2007/02/10)
    Otaku

    My friend tried one of those *Answer Question and get a free Xbox 360* things on the internet, and he ended up $450 in debt. I can't believe that he would actually try one of those things!

    Mon 2007/10/22 22:14:20 JST (ID #60582)
    reply to Trent's comment
  • Barsona
    Barsona in Bay Area, California (Registered on 2007/08/03)
    NEET (no, student, AND employed min. wage)
    http://otterhangar.blogspot.com/

    well, luckily, that boy is not in America... B/c probably, he would get gang raped in prison if he is caught...

    Mon 2007/10/22 22:32:32 JST (ID #60587)
    reply to Barsona's comment
  • Aya Kyunik
    Aya Kyunik in Melbourne, Australia (Registered on 2007/05/22)
    Graphic Art/Pre-press/3D animator/wannabe hikkikomori
    http://moeidolatry.com

    I hardly hear of this type of crime here in Australia, but we do get quite a bit of those lame ones where people have died, and need to transfer his account of x amount and by helping by providing your account we'll give 10%...

    Mon 2007/10/22 22:33:44 JST (ID #60588)
    reply to Aya Kyunik's comment
  • notfair
    notfair in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/08/14)
    Student, ACG Fans
    http://modvisc.blogspot.com

    wow, tat boy was genius, he should go study social engineering.... Im not sure have or not in my country, but i believe it exist...

    Mon 2007/10/22 22:38:12 JST (ID #60590)
    reply to notfair's comment
  • Briant
    Briant in USA (Registered on 2007/08/04)
    Student

    Sorta looks to me like God has forsaken her...

    Mon 2007/10/22 23:10:32 JST (ID #60597)
    reply to Briant's comment
  • Henry
    Henry in /usr/bin/ (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    anime/cosplay events organizer
    http://www.cosplay.ph

    fraud also exists here and it victimizes naive people. the most common victims of fraud would be people who came back from other countries and swindle them money which they've earned working overseas

    Mon 2007/10/22 23:17:25 JST (ID #60599)
    reply to Henry's comment
  • シャキー
    シャキー in カナダ (Registered on 2007/07/14)
    Student~

    so its yen its 23000000 so in canadians thats like... 23000000 / 100 (according to the very old one) thats like 230,000!! -.-". you can literally buy half a house with that much money here ... but for my case a lot of figures, model kit and probably a new lab top + a desk top... wow...(and still have a lot left to throw them in the pacific ocean... hmm in a lake or spread them to the world through the use of throwing the money up into the sky)

    Tue 2007/10/23 00:56:28 JST (ID #60603)
    reply to シャキー's comment
  • TaQme
    TaQme in California (Registered on 2007/09/11)
    Student

    kinda reminds me of a dull, evil version of kurosagi

    Tue 2007/10/23 03:05:51 JST (ID #60611)
    reply to TaQme's comment
  • ngee_khiong
    ngee_khiong in Kuching, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/05/16)
    Student
    http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/

    I always hate people who prey on others' sympathy and concern for others for their own benefits, especially teenagers who cheat on parents and old folks or steal money from them >_

    Tue 2007/10/23 03:36:02 JST (ID #60612)
    reply to ngee_khiong's comment
  • achraf1989
    achraf1989 in morocco (Registered on 2007/07/07)
    student

    these people are brilliant i will give this trick a try at once and see how much i can get

    Tue 2007/10/23 03:57:45 JST (ID #60614)
    reply to achraf1989's comment
  • hendrik
    hendrik in jakarta,indonesia (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    student

    hah, this kind of thing wouldn't work to all level of ages in my country

    but in exchange of that, there is more brute crime action instead, most of them killed its prey

    Tue 2007/10/23 03:58:37 JST (ID #60615)
    reply to hendrik's comment
  • AK-kun
    AK-kun in Singapore (Registered on 2007/06/19)
    Costume Talent, Stormtrooper, Student, Writer
    http://akxd.wordpress.com/

    Incidentally, what happens here is exactly like you described it. Maybe us Singaporeans learned to take a leaf from the Japanese...

    Tue 2007/10/23 05:16:58 JST (ID #60619)
    reply to AK-kun's comment
  • Deranged
    Deranged in Loughborough UK (Registered on 2007/02/17)
    Aeronautical Engineer
    http://www.deranged-minds.com/blog/

    Most crime here happens in person... the only exception seems to be those 'you have won X. send so and so to this address to receive your prize' scams

    Tue 2007/10/23 05:32:10 JST (ID #60620)
    reply to Deranged's comment
  • 最低人間
    最低人間 in 名古屋 (Registered on 2007/06/10)
    最低人間
    http://worstman.net/

    「わたしわたし詐欺」はずいぶん前からありますよー。
    おれおれの方が語呂がいいから話題に上がり続けているんじゃないでしょうかね。
    http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aja%3Aofficial&hs=RXb&q=%E3%82%8F%E3%81%9F%E3%81%97%E3%82%8F%E3%81%9F%E3%81%97%E8%A9%90%E6%AC%BA&btnG=%E6%A4%9C%E7%B4%A2&lr=lang_ja

    Tue 2007/10/23 06:14:07 JST (ID #60623)
    reply to 最低人間's comment
  • gordon
    gordon in 新加坡 Singapore (Registered on 2007/06/11)
    銀河帝国五〇一軍团 TK/TD 8316 M.E.P.D. Police Sergeant
    http://gordonator.com/

    a similar case happened here in singapore once.

    a con man called up an elderly pretending to be her son's friend and told her that her son met with an accident and needed money urgently for medical operation. he then instructed the elderly to deposit a sum of money into a bank account as soon as posible.

    luckily at the bank, the bank officer sensed something was fishy as the elderly couldn't answers his questions like who the account holder was.

    after much pursuing, the elderly told the officer everything and the officer suggested to the elderly to give his son a call. she did as was told and found her son was perfectly alright.

    the con man was later caught by the police.

    Tue 2007/10/23 06:57:38 JST (ID #60627)
    reply to gordon's comment
  • don
    don in Minnesota USA (Registered on 2007/10/22)
    Engineering Student

    I think there was something in the US that was on the news a while back. Some guy was calling NFL (American Football) players to ask for money transfers while pretending to be a friend in need. I think one player got suspicious and called the cops. They busted him after some kid he paid tried to pick up the cash or something like that.

    Tue 2007/10/23 09:05:05 JST (ID #60639)
    reply to don's comment
  • Kirakun
    Kirakun in Ipoh, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/06/02)
    Auditor

    not too bright in my opinion...

    Tue 2007/10/23 09:17:45 JST (ID #60641)
    reply to Kirakun's comment
  • Hatix
    Hatix in Antwerp, Belgium (Registered on 2007/04/25)
    IT, Programmer, Otaku, ...
    http://blog.jpopdb.org/

    Never heard of something like this in Belgium... But I don't know if people would fall for that here.

    Tue 2007/10/23 11:33:44 JST (ID #60647)
    reply to Hatix's comment
  • Timerswing
    Timerswing in Mexico (Registered on 2007/08/25)
    Student

    Never knew little boys did it

    Tue 2007/10/23 12:10:31 JST (ID #60648)
    reply to Timerswing's comment
  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    D_Blade, shes not getting her money back. This happens all the time in the US. Its very hard to track people this way, and usually they finally find the account, but its empty. Identity theft is even scarier. Its a huge problem in the US. People steal your information, and pretend to be you while they set up new credit cards, buy cars, default on payments.. pretty scary.

    Tue 2007/10/23 13:02:20 JST (ID #60654)
    reply to DRAGUN's comment
  • BeLe
    BeLe in Davao, Philippines (Registered on 2007/01/03)
    .NET/Web Developer
    http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net

    It happens around here all the time. I'm surprised though that it even works coz if somebody ever tries anything like that with me there's no way that it would work. I mean c'mon!

    Tue 2007/10/23 13:14:50 JST (ID #60657)
    reply to BeLe's comment
  • Edward
    Edward in SE Michigan/Osaka (Registered on 2006/12/24)
    Troubleshooter, Universal Exports
    http://funkyblueame.tumblr.com/

    Oh does it ever happen here in the states. Like DRAGUN pointed out, Identity Theft is what scares most Americans. It takes so long to fix once it happens to someone...

    Tue 2007/10/23 15:22:43 JST (ID #60665)
    reply to Edward's comment
  • Uru
    Uru in manila (Registered on 2007/10/18)
    Art Student

    that kind of fraud really is something. i hope that kind of scheme won't work on me. come on, its because i'm so easy go lucky.you be careful out there people.

    Tue 2007/10/23 16:36:11 JST (ID #60675)
    reply to Uru's comment
  • XSportSeeker
    XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
    http://xspblog.com

    People would never fall for that here in Brazil... but something way worst happens around here.

    It's kinda similar, but way worse. Fake abductions. Actual prisioners (yes, inmates) manage to get cellphones, call people around midnight, and start screaming stuff like: "DAD, DAAD, THEY GOT ME DAD, PLEASE DAD, DON'T LET THEM HURT ME!!!".
    Then, comes someone else as a violent criminal threatening the "kid"'s life or something.

    They probably do that several times, and keep trying 'till they get lucky and finally convince someone that the whole thing is truth.

    Unfortunately, it's very frequent and authorities are helpless to find a way to punish or even just plain stop that.

    Criminal system and law just sucks in Brazil. Even more considering how many actual unpunished criminals we have in politics.

    I already got one of those calls. Thing is, I'm very careful with those, and also... "I DON'T HAVE A F*CKING SON"

    Tue 2007/10/23 17:52:12 JST (ID #60683)
    reply to XSportSeeker's comment
  • Danny Choo
    Danny Choo in Tokyo (Registered on 2006/12/11)
    CEO MIrai Inc
    http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/

    XSportSeeker,
    That sounds horrible.

    最低人間さん、
    情報をありがとうございました!
    コメントを見るとシンガポールもオレオレ詐欺があるみたいですね。ブラジルの誘拐版も特に怖い。

    Tue 2007/10/23 18:07:39 JST (ID #60690)
    reply to Danny Choo's comment
  • llorchTHX
    llorchTHX in USA & Mexico (Registered on 2007/09/04)
    Researcher

    Has anybody here seen the japanase series "Prayer Beads" (omoinotama)? One of the episodes is called "It's me" and the plot is precisley this kind of scam (plus a supernatural twist).

    In Mexico they have tried many different kinds of scams similar to these. In one variant the conman rings you in your cellphone saying that he is from the cellphone company checking your line and that you should turn it off for a couple of hours. Once you do that he will call your family asking for a ransom for you. Since your cellphone is off many people would think that this is actually true. Usually this kind of things last for a couple of weeks and then they switch to another variant once the media gets a hold of the story. Disclaimer: I've been in the USA for 3 years now so I don't know if this keeps happening too often.

    Tue 2007/10/23 19:02:15 JST (ID #60700)
    reply to llorchTHX's comment
  • R.E. Silvera
    R.E. Silvera in Dublin, Ireland (Registered on 2007/08/01)
    QA Engineer, Postgraduate Student
    http://www.thelifeeffect.net

    A similar thing happens in Argentina, my home country, as shown in the film Nine Queens.

    The principle of the scam is the same as the Ore Ore: you trick an old person into thinking you're the grandchild/nephew and that you need money.

    The con requires two people. One will pretend to be the young relative, and will ring up a random flat in a building (by ring up I mean ring the intercom, these are easily accessible in most apartment buildings from outside the front door). They will say something like "Hi auntie/granma?". Eventually, they get someone that goes "is that you, ?".

    The con will then tell that person that they are in a car and that they need money to pay for repairs as it broke down not far from there. Then after the car question is cleared up (the supposed youngster may not have a car, so the con has to be smart and pretend it's borrowed or something), the first con artist will say they need to go back and look after the car, and will ask the elderly relative to give the money to a friend who will stay behind.

    The elderly person then comes out, and gives the money to the second con, never actually meeting the first one.

    Similar con, only riskier since it's in person, and requires two people. Still though, no bank account necessary.

    Wed 2007/10/24 04:45:19 JST (ID #60736)
    reply to R.E. Silvera's comment
  • -XYZPDQ
    -XYZPDQ in Pennsylvania, United States (Registered on 2007/01/01)
    Student Engineer
    http://www.tgwnetohh.blogspot.com/

    Yeahh its called Identity Theft. Instead of conning you into doing something, someone steals your name, your reputation, and your bank account to do what they want with it.

    It is a felony and the consequence is hard jail time and a life of being labeled for the crime.

    Wed 2007/10/24 17:07:35 JST (ID #60807)
    reply to -XYZPDQ's comment
  • Nizmo47
    Nizmo47 in マレシア、世界 (Registered on 2007/09/28)
    学生

    There are a number of well known scams over here in my place. It's weird that people still get conned coz the tricks used are well known -highlighted in the media most of the time.

    One of em is: A guy (foreigner) would contact you and say he's having trouble getting money (usually millions) out of his country because of the political situation back home. He would then ask you for a favor, to use your bank account as channel for him to transfer the money and he'd promise to give you a portion of that money. Then if you agree to this request, he'd proceed to ask you for a 'small' processing fee (usually a rather large sum actually).

    Wed 2007/10/24 20:44:15 JST (ID #60858)
    reply to Nizmo47's comment
  • Johno
    Johno in San Antonio, Texas (Registered on 2007/07/09)
    Student, Tech

    Something exactly like this was on the news two days ago. They told us how to avoid these types of situations (although I doubt I'd be falling for something like that anytime soon). Weird.

    Thu 2007/10/25 14:44:58 JST (ID #60978)
    reply to Johno's comment
  • terry
    terry in Singapore (Registered on 2007/08/02)
    =.=!
    http://hihi123.wordpress.com

    it's sound scary.. though most of the time i would just verify twice on $$ issue lol.

    Sun 2007/10/28 08:50:00 JST (ID #61257)
    reply to terry's comment
  • lostandfound
    lostandfound in Singapore (Registered on 2007/10/21)
    Hikikomori in the making
    http://supermariabros.deviantart.com/

    Poor granny... There's this type of crimes here but not as popular, Singaporeans are too "kiasu" and would ask for your name and address... My dad always ask who is calling before answering "Hello" back...

    Fri 2008/01/25 02:10:00 JST (ID #70646)
    reply to lostandfound's comment
  • Neocoyo_the_one
    Neocoyo_the_one in Ashford, Kent, UK (I NEED TO GET OUTTA HERE!!) (Registered on 2008/01/05)
    Student

    the only type of scam i get like that is the whole "this is (name here) from the bank of africa, and we have unclaimed funds of over $20,000,000 in the accound of the deseaced (name here) on the (Date here) in a plane crashe which killed his/her whole family and we want you to have 30% of this money and i will keep %65 and %5 on tax..." itts wierd i only started getting them after i got a paypal account....

    Mon 2008/07/21 00:48:20 JST (ID #243253)
    reply to Neocoyo_the_one's comment
  • sayagila
    sayagila in melbourne, jakarta, denpasar (Registered on 2008/08/18)
    just another something else
    http://the7sinner.wordpress.com/

    evil sms and phone call exist everywhere... the most common in my country is "the lottery winner routine" the message said that i've won a lottery and must pay for the prize tax to certain bank account. if they call me i just talk and talk and talk to the guy in the otherside until they turned off their phone (their paying anyway).

    Mon 2008/10/06 19:36:11 JST (ID #325109)
    reply to sayagila's comment
  • ~char~
    ~char~ in here! (Registered on 2008/09/11)
    Informatics(ComSci-ish) student/self-taught graphic designer and illustrator
    http://picchar.cerestia.net

    Someone tried to con me once. Haha. Its quite rampant in the Philippines. What they would do is send a text/SMS message to a random number telling that person to send X amount of load/credit to their number.

    But what happened to me was someone hacked a friend's Yahoo! account and logged in Yahoo Messenger to ask me for money so that they can call a relative because of an emergency. The problem was I didn't have that friend's number so I wasn't sure if it really was her. I did give 10 pesos ($0.3). I figured, if it was her then that would be enough to send a text message or call. But no, they wanted a lot more than that. Oh well ^_^ It wasn't her anyway.

    Tue 2008/10/07 17:57:22 JST (ID #326399)
    reply to ~char~'s comment

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