What is Art

Uh is it just me or is that condom a little small looking...too small looking...

U mean wet dreams?
lol

"its too small, so we'll just not use it" :P

Isn't she from Gundam00?

LOL that condom ... is a piece of froot loops cereal. XD

ugh* haven't had sex dream for long ass time.......why? any tip?

rubber seems too tight..

it's 1am here, and this really is a nice pic to look at before i go to sleep :)

more of the same please ^^

You're just teasing us for season 2 aren't cha :p

I realised the size of the condom before than the size of her eyes... is that normal, doctor?

It's from this doujin:
http://www.fakku.net/viewmanga.php?view=2060

Re-downloading it since my doujin collection is so big Im having trouble finding it ;)

that is Louise from Gundam 00...if you all want == anime girls find @ http://danbooru.donmai.us/

The condom is specially made for Saji. >_>

I'll need a bigger prophylactic than that my dear..

You know ..

she's my type of girl

'TT'
my nose...

yeh, the condom, its for finger or what? damn...

Glad you came prepared.... No, I mean find a bigger one! [Think i covered that up pretty well].

You're quite right about that tenrou! Also... you got the song stuck in my head now. x.x I haven't seen anyone else say anything about the song O.o, does no one know of/remember it? lol

Reminds me of a Cherioo

The difference between art and porn is whether it makes you aroused.

Hmm... Art is subjective methinks.

Appearently, most people don't consider Japanese drawings of women art. It's considered POOOORRRNNNN.

I remember bringing Girls Bravo vol. 1 to read at school & during lunch, some idiot's like "IT'S PORN!" & I said to him "So what about Michaelangelo's "David"? Or the "Venus De Milo"? Or "The Birth of Venus"? THOSE are pics & STATUES of naked people & people consider those memorable pieces of art! What makes it different from this?!"

I can't really remember what happened after that, but I think I just walked away & he didn't mention it again.

Both are nude depictions of popular female characters, though one has more literary and artistic value than the other. Plus one is worth a lot more dosh than the other. ;)

Ugh...feel like critically analyzing these two images but am rushing a magazine. Maybe another time.

The difference is interpretation of body language. The people saying it's porn and not art disagree about the intent and arousal factor, but even that's subjective.

In a word: moe.

Nude paintings always be outrageous, but, in the case of human model painting (and taking note of the date from those paints) I think the meaning of each other, are very different. The first one, the doujin, ecchi, hentai, or any other name that it have, are for 1 basic purpouse, and that one was sell it and...use the hands. In the case of human models, I think the objetives were others. The quality, the perfect draw and painting, can be similar, but the meanings beacouse their were painted, 're totally different.

what a tiny condom !
however nice picture ! thanks !

I could see worse things happening!!!

sometimes it's quite annoying when nobody tries to be thoughtful in claiming everything to be art.

Anyhow, eroge illustrations border porn and art and it's difficult to objectify entirely what art should and should not be. I think that we should take care in classifying things :P

btw, she's cute but...why does she look like biting on to a single-serve fruit loop? @_@;

Is Tenrou going to use this for one of his scenarios!!?

It's art, as a matter of fact the whole idea of having art it's an excuse to getting a chick nude. as many other invention in the history like the tv, the internet and the photography...i'm not lying this is a real fact!

This is art indeed.

For me, "art"is something I can stare at and learn a lesson from. Whereas illustrations, be it fan-service, fappable materials (okuza??), is just serving a purpose to see and admire and (wax)..

Oh, the lady in the link... lol... I believe drawing nude was considered as the artist's ability to draw anatomy in that time period. a test. And of cos, teh artists uses his creativity to make something dull, life like.

Hmmm... i guess both are art, both made by humans out of creativity and for a purpose. I guess it's just their purpose that differs from one another; this one for sexual satisfaction while the other(the linked one) is also maybe sexual but in a more philosophical way.

Hmm, I'm going to have to disagree with the statement that they're the same. I think theirs a difference between a sexual situation and just being nude. There are several reasons why this should be the case which are interesting, but I make the following case since I think it's relevant to the situation at hand.

Lumping them into one group is also bad for women rights, I read on your website that recently women's bare chest day occurred. That event is a protest against this type of thinking. Their cause is that breasts are not sexual objects, and shouldn't be treated as such. The comparison you make is of a woman preparing for hot relations to a naked female in a simple pose.

It's just something about classic art that makes you feel relaxed and wanting to sink into a soft couch, and modern art that makes you want to get up and march.

I consider both of them art.
The one presented above is considered to be art as entertainment.
Being that it is to bring out a particular emotion or mood in the viewer.
Whereas the painting provided through the link is one of communication.
There is a message behind the painting that was intended to reach the viewer of that time period.
I go by the following which I learned some time ago in a humanities class.
Art is considered art when:
-the creator's intent is to be art
-the viewer recognizes it as art (not perceives but acknowledges)
-the work itself creates/invokes an emotion or communicates a message to the viewer

So yea, I guess almost anything (or nothing) can be art.

saijo has a small dolphin?

wait a sec, aren't Louise suppose to be missing a hand?

Pretty much the difference is in what the snooty old people think. Art is pretty subjective and those old people made silly rules so that they could feel better about their opinions and ideas. Well something like that anyways.

okay to answer your question in a more serious manner, I consider both of them art, just different kind. I probably wouldn't display either of them at home, why? Cos doesn't match decor lol! I think I eventually got kinda desensitize to ecchi art as I got older ^^; I appreciate the detail effort and hard work put into them tho ^^/ and yes I do the right click and save sometimes :P

If the picture is the topic of art itself, I'll be looking at this fairly. Nice art. No malice.

I think both pieces would be considered art (especially under most legal definitions). I think the reason one is accepted as a work of art, though, and one is seen as porn lies in the reasoning behind why the art was created. What was the intention?

However, even this gets into squirrely areas when you think of things from a modern context. As an example, images of nude children is typically classified as child pornography. But, there are some photographers who take nude photos claiming that because their intention is to capture the human form, and not to sexualize it, what they are doing is art rather than porn. Surprisingly enough, many countries (including the United States), have allowed this form of photography as art (attested to by the number of public nudity sites in the U.S. that are legally allowed to run and post pictures, as well as art gallery displays of modern photography).

Thus, I think it ultimately lies in the intention of the piece (why was it created), and how that depiction comes across (is it sexual in nature, or just expressive). My thoughts, anyway...^_^

I agree with anyone who said both are art... What separates the two kinds of art is pretty simple, (i.e. how come one can hang on a wall in a museum or w/e and the other is limited to hentai lover's HD's and possibly walls? lol) the hentai is intended for dirty things! lol. While "real" art is intended to only show off the beauty, simplicity and form of the human body and world around us, not to pull on yourself with. :P

Hentai, none the less, is still an art-form. I'm not so sure if it will ever hang in a museum though.

The difference? A couple hundred years.

To put it in a different perspective. Even among artists there is a distinction between what we would consider art and commercial illustration. There have been debates as to whether you would consider illustration or anything of the sort to be art. What I mean by art, is Fine Art. To make an analogy, say in music, it would be like comparing the song "Barbie Girl" by Aqua to say something written by say Bob Dylan. You can say they both required creativeness to produce their songs and one would be more commercially successful over the other but ultimately one would be highly regarded over the other. While I myself enjoy illustrations I wouldn't compare them to something like a classic. They are two different things with different intentions.

The word art has two meanings, one is "craft" or "skill" and the other is Art with a capital T, which derives from the first (since drawings and so on need skill to make) BUT in modern terms the concept is as important as the actual skill put in to make the artwork.

This picture is clearly art in the first sense. It might be considered Art in the second sense however the concept -- the idea it is created to convey -- is purely sexual and of no real interest apart from that.

It would be interesting to ask the original artist if he thinks it is a piece of Art and deserves to sit alongside nudes such as Lucian Freud's.

Both are art, certainly if they show mastery of the techniques used and/or evoke themes, emotions,...
That "Venus and Cupid" piece may be more widely acceptable now and seen as art but 500 years from now, so may this anime artwork... there's no accounting for acceptance and change of views over the years (centuries).

One's own opinion and view of art is always personal since you're looking at it through your own eyes and hence unique viewpoint.

Critics or people stating such contemporary art as this fanart of Louise isn't art but just vulgar sketches etc... is just elitist crap that you shouldn't believe. (Sorry for stating it so bluntly but it's a truth that must be said.)

Surely indeed due to modern reproduction techniques the commercial aspect of art distribution is exponentially bigger than hundreds of years ago. But don't be fooled, regardless of their talent, skill and great mastery, all those artists centuries ago also mostly produced art for purely commercial reasons. The audience able to financially sponsor art back then was much smaller than now, perhaps hence why such art is interweaved with an elitist air.

The simple fact that it came from the mind of someone qualifies both illustrations as art. In fact, every kind of expression through the 8 arts is art, it's just that some is crappier than the rest.

ahhh don't remind me!! >.<
i had a lesson on this -.-"
and ya i definitely like this one more than the other~ lol
there's also another comparison--> real porno pic vs art pic (ppl would usually ask "wut is art" base on these 2 comparison)
and i think the conclusion of the lesson was... if it was demoted to soemthing else other than art --> its not art. So for example, you make an "art" but you use it for comercial needs or other needs, then it's no longer art.

Manga/anime art just seems prettier to me most of the time. And just as much work and heart goes into creating them.

But my art teachers still say its not good enough for class... that anime/manga is too same-y/similar/alike. Their probably is they are basing they're oppinion on a very small selection. They haven't seen/read nearly enough to make an informed oppinion....

oh man i aint gonna sleep the night after seeing that

Wow. I don't like Gundam but Gundam girls are hot.

Loved this pic when I first saw in the doujin last year and still do.
Beautifully illustrated. I'd love to have this as a poster, desktop backround or in a frame, just like a lot of Mogudan's work.

Very nice fan art of Louise ^^. <3 it.

In this particular case, the way both were made, the time, the effort, the period and value.

The painting could also have some background to it, since it was taken with real life models. And it was made to depict religious/cultural references.

But all in all, art is nothing more than a convention, specially nowadays.
Historically, it was really hard to make paints like that, and there weren't many artists out there talented enough to make stuff like that.

Could take months to complete something as detailed as that, and since there were no photos, paintings were the only way to have an image "immortalized".

Religious icons and historical settings were also valued, since they pretty much depended on the author's interpretation.

Art nowadays has taken a different meaning, and the value also can vary a lot. Nowadays, it's much more about the message it tries to pass than the quality itself.

But some will just say that art is dead...

haven't u guys heard of expandable condoms?

*blushes*
I dunno, but it doesn´t matter...

That's a touchy subject, for me both are art, although the anime one tends more for the act of sex than the classical one but both show the naked body of a woman but as always the anime one is exagerated. Everything that is drawn is considered art no matter the subject, it's the same thing with figures, it's pure art because it's sculpted and it's not a toy with articulations although people tend to look at it as a toy because of it's cartoon look cause every time someone calls them toys I start calling Michael Angelo statues toys in giant mode, everything that is made by human hands resembling human or animal is considered art.

I think the idea of art depends on the individual, you can have two people look at the same picture and one person would see it as an art piece and the other might see it as not.

If it's painted so thick that it somehow is magically still visible after 100 years then it becomes a piece of 'art'. Seriously. That's pretty much the only definition museums seem to follow.

art is what, isnt it just a fragile thing made by man thinking ? as the time passed human mindset and thinking change. in the end art can become porn or porn may become art . how irony

What is art? danny asks?

THAT my friend... is art.

this is art, all art suppose to be beautifull period!!!!! not ugly or weird, those are just junks

The difference is in how they're sexualized. The pic above, I mean, she's all wet in certain places and everything. It's clearly drawn to inspire certain...feelings. Although...one could argue that the particular painting you have pointed out is designed to elicit the same (based on the Latin inscription that accompanies it). But the female form, when painted during that time period (and surrounding centuries), was not particularly about sex, but about the form of the body.

Even if it was about sex, the main differences are time, and culture. I am sure there are plenty of areas, all around the world, that would let neither be publicly displayed.

Art? Yes to both, but the wet in certain areas, condom in the mouth and exaggerated features do lessen the credibility of the Louise Halevy piece. Nudity is about the only similarity I can see.

That doesn't make either less sexy, just sexy in different ways. Venus is like the first time you saw a naked woman's body, Louise is like the first time you had sex with a woman.

E^D

Define Art...
Curators can give you the answers but I reckon the answer is subjective... Not everyone is an artist

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Wouldn't mind getting a hold of her eyes.

Definitions are left to the dictionary. Let's just say the picture peaks your interest (among other things).

I don't know about the other one but this one is purely for stimulation...

for something to be art it must not have a useful purpose so this picture here is used for "dolphin waxing" so its not art lol

lol this post reminds me of a conversation at figure.fm
http://www.figure.fm/post/6935/Kishimoto%20Megumi/
speaking of figure.fm wondering if version 2 is still in the works?

The difference is that society is bigoted towards things they don't fully understand (i.e. - ignorant). If you think about this concept, it extends well past the example given. What makes a t-shirt so "low class" as compared with a tuxedo? To some degree I feel it's a shallowness thing, but I think the majority of it is just the masses accepting something that a few have decided what's "good" or "acceptable". Everything's a little more diversified today with so much intercultural exchange and mass communication, but a lot of prejudices hold just the same. Well I spilled that rant out in under 5 min without thinking. ^^;

This is BEAUTIFUL! Her breast are bit too large for my taste. If it has a little more "natural" look to it then this picture would be perfect!

nice pic but breath mint ftl

its adjustable

First I'd like to say, that whats in her mouth, must be a wrapped up candy or something, because that is way too small to be a condom.

Now to the subject. Art is simply a form of expression, it's no more complicated than that. What one sees as meaningful, they can project in any manner they see fit, thus creating art.
This image, just as much as the linked image, is art. The only difference is the world it was created in. As the world changes, so do peoples representations, though having the technologies of today, makes it more complicated to have work that stands out, the idea is no different than that of great artists during the rennaissance.

yep, it is art. a bit too 'excessive' at places, but it's alright! the colours are very nice too.

This one is cute and ready just for sex, but Venus is the embodiment of femininity that is ready to give birth... That's the difference.

The difference is that society is bigoted towards things they don't fully understand, Everything's a little more diversified today with so much intercultural exchange and mass communication, but a lot of prejudices hold just the same.

what is art?

anything that involves that image and the scenario above.

Art is something you have to find yourself.What do you think of art, is it Paintings,is it 2d girls or is it structures of buildings.You have to find it for yourself.

Art isn't just pretty pictures but things that makes you passionate,inspired,and full of emotions.

My art is Photography,2d animes,inspired paintings,physical structures and nature.

dah! just say u like and don't complain
beside nice boobs