Japan Justice

Thu 2008/06/19 02:35 JST
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For those who dont know, Japan serves capital punishment by hanging but one does not hear about it a lot on the news.
There is however a discussion going on with the ministry of justice in hopes of abolishing capital punishment with opinions like "does serving the death penalty make citizens happy?" and "the death penalty does not prevent others from committing crimes."
I also hear views of "I dont want to pay tax just to keep criminals alive."

What are your views on this? Should mass murderers get the death penalty or stay in prison for the rest of their lives or let out after (in some cases) 20 years?
For example, the guy who killed 7 innocent folks in Akiba - death penalty or stay in jail for the rest of his life. The justice system can be odd at times so depending on what they decide, they may let him out after x number of years - seen it happen before.
Do try to think in terms if a loved one of yours was killed by somebody.

News via JiJi, image via Moe Imouto.
Japans hanging process below taken from that previous capital punishment article.

Executions are carried out by hanging in a death chamber within the Detention Centre. When a death order has been issued, the condemned prisoner is informed in the morning of his or her execution. The condemned is given their choice of the last meal.
The prisoner's family and legal representatives are never informed until afterwards. Consequently, there is no possibility of a final meeting.

Before the condemned prisoner is blindfolded, he or she is allowed to leave a last message if he or she so wishes, then led to the death chamber. The noose is put in place and the prisoner's knees tied together. The trap-door of the gallows is operated remotely from a separate room: three to five selected prison officers each press a switch, only one of which is wired to the trap-door release.
Afterwards, the prisoner's family is informed the execution has occurred and they may collect the body. A brief notice of the execution is issued to the media but the identity of the prisoner is withheld – it will only become publicly known if the family chooses to inform the media.

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  • FMPhoenixHawk
    FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
    Scientist, unemployed.
    http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

    Execution is a valid punishment. Hanging is just one of the may available ways. And it is cheaper to execute someone than keep them around for life. Mass murderers are in a category of people that execution should be available.

    Thu 2008/06/19 02:53:55 JST (ID #216697)
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    • exurbanotaku
      exurbanotaku in America (Registered on 2008/01/10)
      Consultant

      The argument that it is cheaper to execute an inmate in the United States as oppose to incarcerating a convicted felon is false. If you factor in the costs of required appeals on top of the convict's incarceration, then the cost in the long run is much greater.

      As for my personal beliefs, I would gain no solace from having the killer of my loved one executed. I would prefer that they remain in prison for the remainder of their life never knowing freedom again and, hopefully, living with the regret of their action.

      Thu 2008/06/19 06:23:33 JST (ID #216875)
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      • Sgt Beavis
        Sgt Beavis in Dallas, TX, USA (Registered on 2007/07/23)
        Overpaid Computer Nerd
        http://www.flickr.com/photos/rboyett/

        In Texas, we've got an express lane for executions and it still cost more to execute a criminal (after all appeals are exhausted, than it does to lockem' up and throw away the key...

        China is the only place I know of that executes and actually saves money on incarceration. Of course they pretty much convict you, walk you next door to get your appeal then happily march you to the execution van..

        Thu 2008/06/19 07:58:15 JST (ID #216940)
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        • R-1
          R-1 in a happy place. (Registered on 2007/07/05)
          Overman
          http://myplasticmoustache.blogspot.com/

          And they charge your family for the bullets used in your execution. Least, that's what I read one time.

          Thu 2008/06/19 09:40:36 JST (ID #217002)
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      • x33b
        x33b in Chicago (Registered on 2007/11/23)
        Network Admin

        Which is why I think the death penalty is just a waste of time. I would rather pay the tax to have him sit in jail cell the rather have him on death row. That and the guy being dead doesn't do anything really for the family involved. Your loved one isn't coming back and that guy being dead isn't going to fix that.

        Thu 2008/06/19 21:00:21 JST (ID #217387)
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        • Rocco
          Rocco in Lalaland (Registered on 2008/06/20)
          http://www.americajin.com/

          Well guys, you should take a trip to Italy, my homeland, where every now and then we open up the jails cause we don't have anymore space.
          Doesn't ever happen for "mass" murderers, but it does for anything from murderer down - then we wonder why we have so much micro-criminality in Italy...
          Hey, where's my wallet?

          Sat 2008/06/21 01:56:59 JST (ID #218354)
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      • Dex Luther
        Dex Luther (Registered on 2008/06/20)

        So, You'd have absolutely no problem knowing that your tax dollars are going towards providing the person that killed your wife and kids with 3 meals a day, cable TV, access to the internet, access to education, and has regular visits with HIS wife and family?

        Fri 2008/06/20 02:54:38 JST (ID #217566)
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      • FMPhoenixHawk
        FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
        Scientist, unemployed.
        http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

        The cost comes with the mandatory appeals. They shouldn't be mandatory. Just like any other case, there should be a real reason for an appeal, not just, "Well, we've sentenced him to die, so he should get his case in front of the Court of Appeals." I always thought that was a bad idea in the first case.
        Besides, there are ways to make executions cheaper. Bullets are cheap, as are sharpened greataxes, rope, and 2 kilogram blocks of C4 shaped into collars.

        Sat 2008/06/21 04:32:56 JST (ID #218442)
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    • ceasol
      ceasol in Edmonton, Canada (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      Otaku
      http://imperiomoe.wordpress.com

      Death Penalty is more expensive than keeping the criminals alive. Here some facts.

      http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108

      Thu 2008/06/19 08:23:19 JST (ID #216951)
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      • hked
        hked in Sydney (Registered on 2008/06/08)
        Student

        frankly if it costs more, then just throw them off a ravine

        Thu 2008/06/19 10:33:21 JST (ID #217021)
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      • FMPhoenixHawk
        FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
        Scientist, unemployed.
        http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

        Most of the cost is in the mandatory appeals. Change those to reflect the rest of the law (Appeals only when there is a real reason to appeal) and the cost of execution goes way down. And if we use something reusable (axes, for example) we save even more money.

        Sat 2008/06/21 04:34:18 JST (ID #218446)
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  • sumomokotoko
    sumomokotoko in Norwich, CT (Registered on 2008/05/03)
    U.S. Navy
    http://twitter.com/palm9x

    wow - death penalty is one thing, but it still being hanging in this day and age in a first world nation is shocking. And after seeing all the videos of Saddam's hanging, I just don't know......

    Thu 2008/06/19 02:56:41 JST (ID #216700)
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  • lostandfound
    lostandfound in Singapore (Registered on 2007/10/21)
    Hikikomori in the making
    http://supermariabros.deviantart.com/

    In my opinion, , mass murderers shouldn't have a second chance... I believe it's not fair for a mass murderer to be kept in prison, what of the victims? They're innocent and died without cause... Sorry if I insulted anyone, this is just my stupid opinion...

    Thu 2008/06/19 02:58:44 JST (ID #216701)
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  • RoodyPooUS
    RoodyPooUS in California (Registered on 2007/11/09)
    Consultant

    Wow I didn't know they did death by hanging, not that that is much better than death by electric chair.

    I really have very little sympathy for these people though so I don't mind that they die this way.

    Thu 2008/06/19 02:59:59 JST (ID #216702)
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  • Kantana
    Kantana in Norway (Registered on 2008/05/03)
    Gamer, the hardcore kind
    http://even248.wordpress.com

    Sure, it's cheaper to execute a criminal, but it's really not much punishment compared to imprisonment. Imagine being locked in for 20 years. That has got to be worse than being killed right off. Of course, it might be boring in the afterlife (if there is such a thing), but no one knows if that's the case. Boredom for 20 years has to be the worst punishment.
    Still, it's wrong to kill anyway...

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:00:42 JST (ID #216703)
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    • Fabian
      Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      student

      I second that.

      Additionally with death penalty it is not possible to compensate the victims when the justice system fails and the wrong people got punished and killed. In my opinion death penalty is a barbarian, backward way of punishment. A state killing someone is no better than a common murderer.

      The imprisonment's costs don't play much of a role because you can make the prisoners work.

      Thu 2008/06/19 03:50:13 JST (ID #216747)
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    • beatfreak
      beatfreak (Registered on 2007/12/20)
      freelance digital artist

      Have you ever thought how most of Jail system works in any states works ? You go in , live your life , free to eat , have a courtyard to do your free time ( excercise , play basketball , free-time stuff ) and if your case is from an underground group (like a drug-dealer) and still got contact outside , drugs will always and always have a way to sneak through to you in case you want some for pleasure , just stick to the crowd to avoid fights and you are just living like there's no hell had happen. I'm telling you this as a fact. And there are only a few states who's jail system could be as hell as it could possibly be , one of those is here in our country , the only worst thing that could ever happen to you inside is - get killed instantly - because once you're inside , every body even you is licensed to kill anyone - and the authority nor the police force wouldn't even care , they wouldn't even stop you at all , but this is extremely unknown to the public. Yet if you luckily survive and just stick around you'd be still living the highlights as it is. All I am just correcting is there's no hell nor even pain for someone who's inside the cell but only for those innocent once you got accused of and are the one behind jail. Life inside a cell is actually had never been that bad since you're still free to live and enjoy - as long as ( i'm gonna repeat it again) you just stick around.

      Thu 2008/06/19 08:41:38 JST (ID #216965)
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      • necrophadian
        necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
        -1
        http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

        "there's no hell nor even pain for someone who's inside the(sic) cell"

        pal, i have a friend who's been in prison for a decade, and this is the truth, if you're doing hard time it IS hell.

        "just stick to the crowd to avoid fights"

        thats the fastest way to get shanked in a gang fight in prison

        Thu 2008/06/19 09:05:51 JST (ID #216978)
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      • Kantana
        Kantana in Norway (Registered on 2008/05/03)
        Gamer, the hardcore kind
        http://even248.wordpress.com

        If you're in for 20 years, monotony is sure to get to you sometime. Sure, you can read books and talk to other prisoners if you're not in isolation, but really, the lack of freedom as a whole is sure to make you a bit crazy after a while. Not being able to hang out with friends like you used to is sure to suck, and after a while you're guaranteed to start thinking about what your family is thinking about you. Can't be fun.

        Thu 2008/06/19 15:02:23 JST (ID #217177)
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      • x33b
        x33b in Chicago (Registered on 2007/11/23)
        Network Admin

        You haven't been in jail before have ya? I have friends who have been in jail, and from what they say it is no picnic.

        Thu 2008/06/19 21:03:20 JST (ID #217389)
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      • Rocco
        Rocco in Lalaland (Registered on 2008/06/20)
        http://www.americajin.com/

        Dude, I get bored on a flight that's longer than 3 hours, and I can buy booze and watch movies and read books and I know its gonna end soon - and my chances of dying are very low (unless I'm flying Aeroflot) and nobody is going to touch me in a way that's a "no no."

        Jail must suck.

        Sat 2008/06/21 02:03:13 JST (ID #218356)
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        • Poofiemus
          Poofiemus in Education Camp, US (Registered on 2008/07/21)
          University's Slave

          LOL! So true about the planes. I agree, if a long plane flight is bad, prison must be terribly wearing.

          Fri 2009/04/03 22:44:57 JST (ID #548311)
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  • asrai
    asrai in Philippines (Registered on 2007/11/18)
    Physical Therapy student
    http://yuusuki.net

    I know these criminals probably deserve the death penalty, but I don't know..ending another person's life just doesn't sit well in my conscience. T_T

    if they're worried about money and sustaining the criminals for life..why don't they just make them do manual labor or something.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:01:53 JST (ID #216708)
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    • FMPhoenixHawk
      FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
      Scientist, unemployed.
      http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

      Because that would be cruel and unusual punishment. Making the criminals work on a chain gang has been mostly banned in the US. Sadly. It would be a great way to make some money for the victims, but there have been so many lawsuits that they had to stop in most states.

      Sat 2008/06/21 04:37:21 JST (ID #218455)
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  • GundamJehutyKai
    GundamJehutyKai in Foundation II Stellvia (Registered on 2007/09/12)
    Service desk support
    http://lookingglass.kokidokom.net

    Actually, death by hanging, if done right, is one of the more humane ways of executing someone. The idea is that the initial drop should break their neck thus leading to an instant death. Better than the electric chair I say. Of course, if it goes wrong, then you're in for a very slow and painful death...

    I'm not 100% for the death penalty but what some people said above holds true. Why should people pay to have someone incarcerated for life if we know they will never change and will always be a threat to people?

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:09:41 JST (ID #216715)
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  • Derringer
    Derringer in Berkeley, CA (Registered on 2008/06/19)
    Student
    http://hobbyfanatics.com

    Perhaps use the inmates to do labor that pays for the government keeping them alive? On the other hand, this takes away jobs from normal citizens.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:13:02 JST (ID #216719)
    reply to Derringer's comment
  • Eva
    Eva in Singapore (Registered on 2008/05/18)
    Admin

    In Singapore, the death sentence is passed for drug trafficking (the law also deem you a trafficker if you have possession of drugs beyond a certain weight as well as having the means to traffick it) , murder, the use of firearms. It sends a very sharp message: if you want to screw around with drugs, Singapore is not the place for you.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:13:04 JST (ID #216720)
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  • SlickDog
    SlickDog in サンフランシスコ (Registered on 2007/11/23)
    Freelance Digital Production Artist
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/victor_lee/sets/

    Wow, heavy subject.
    The death penalty does provide some closure to the victim’s families, but I don’t see it as a deterrent. Violent crimes are a reflection on societal problems, in general. Poverty, unemployment, rising costs of EVERYTHING, drugs, etc. Is there evidence of capital punishment being a deterrent to violent crimes? I don’t think so. Rehabilitation does not seem to work either. Lock ’em up and throw away the key… might be the only logical choice.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:17:02 JST (ID #216722)
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  • Rurouni Heero
    Rurouni Heero in Quebec ,Canada (Registered on 2008/01/24)
    Hospital supply manager and Gundam pilot in training

    There's no death penalty where I live and I think it's pretty bad. I'm not saying that killing is good, murder is murder and killing another is bad. You can have really good reasons to kill someone and many people would agree with your actions but still, the act itself is bad. (and should be punished...) The problem in many cases are lack of evidence and in some cases you can be treated more guilty than innocent until proven. There's no real justice since humans make their own justice and they're not God. (or A god...) All of this is just my opinion and to each is own. I say mass murderers get death penalty (hanging or not...) and freedom to the innocents!! (until proven guilty...)

    Peace! Nippon Banzai!! (sorry, but I just came back from Tokyo and miss this city and the country (Nihon-jins too!!) so much!!)

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:21:42 JST (ID #216726)
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    • litokid
      litokid in Toronto, Canada (Registered on 2007/11/25)
      university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
      http://www.vimeo.com/longhim

      I agree with you on basically everything. Does it have something to do with being Canadian?

      Anyway, I would be against a death penalty in general. Punishment by confinement is worse, I think, and a death for a death doesn't sit too well with me. More so in that there have been quite a few cases where people were discovered innocent posthumously. If you're looking at a case where someone is caught red-handed hacking away at someone else, then yeah, that's sort of irrefutable, but that sort of case is more minority than majority.

      Thu 2008/06/19 03:34:54 JST (ID #216730)
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      • litokid
        litokid in Toronto, Canada (Registered on 2007/11/25)
        university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
        http://www.vimeo.com/longhim

        Oh, and as an unrelated side note - Danny, I just noticed that we can leave blank lines in comments now. It used to be a pet peeve of mine so I'm quite thankful.

        Thu 2008/06/19 03:36:47 JST (ID #216734)
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      • llorchTHX
        llorchTHX in USA & Mexico (Registered on 2007/09/04)
        Researcher

        Well, I'm with you in your thinking. Unless you caught somebody actually killing (and even then, there could be missunderstandings), justice systems are human and as such are prone to errors. You can say "sorry" to someone unjustly imprissoned and let them go, but what if youhave already killed the wrong suspect?

        Thu 2008/06/19 03:45:41 JST (ID #216742)
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    • Tourak
      Tourak in カナダ, ケベック (Registered on 2007/12/20)
      大がくせい

      "You can have really good reasons to kill someone and many people would agree with your actions but still, the act itself is bad. (and should be punished...)"
      Do you realise that by saying that, you include self-defence and could punish some one for only defending themself?

      Thu 2008/06/19 04:09:27 JST (ID #216758)
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      • Rurouni Heero
        Rurouni Heero in Quebec ,Canada (Registered on 2008/01/24)
        Hospital supply manager and Gundam pilot in training

        Actually where I live, many people going in court for self-defense end up getting sued for the damage they done to the attacker. It's pretty bad. You almost have to die defending yourself so that the other guy (or girl) could go to jail for attempted murder. I understand what you meant but what I was trying to say by "punished" is by any form of justice. Even by defending yourself, if you end up killing someone, you will hurt many people. The friends and family of the victim (the attacker in that case) will surely b saddened and very angry against you for doing so. Even if you had good reasons!!! (defending your own life..) Sorry if my english is bad , I'm french canadian... Overall that's just my opinion and to each is own.

        Peace

        Fri 2008/07/25 20:28:00 JST (ID #247484)
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  • Sotb
    Sotb in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Manufacturing
    http://sotbest.blogspot.com/

    Criminal that get to send to a death sentence....most of them earn this treatment by their behaviour......we cant give them any sympathy, i think for those tat still think tat the death penalty is inhuman one should know tat some baddie never change no matter how many chances u give them! If u give him a life sentence in jail wat the shit is for us tax payer to paid for his everyday meal and happy go easy life in the jail? Just send him to hell!

    ppl like those tat go on a terrorist atk and kill thousand and millions in a single one hit do u still tat he deserve to live on? Rapist tat keep coming back to rape young children and female not matter how many time you sentence him to jail do they deserve another chance just to do the samething again? Drugs dealer that bring in drugs to poison all the youngster in the nation without caring for the pain they create do they deserve to continue on?

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:35:30 JST (ID #216731)
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  • necrophadian
    necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
    -1
    http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

    turn mass murderers into human guinea pigs for all sorts of unethical experiments. XD

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:45:10 JST (ID #216740)
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    • radical anime fan
      radical anime fan in Singapore, Furnace City, Cinderblock Outskirts. (Registered on 2007/01/25)
      Polytechnic Junior, Bronze Lifesaving Trainee, Mech Designer In-training.
      http://thehangerbay.wordpress.com/

      LOL, then you get mentally-unbalanced murderers with mutant powers XD just like Doom!

      Thu 2008/06/19 04:29:19 JST (ID #216780)
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    • Fabian
      Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      student

      Aren't we already the guinea pigs of the industry? Being a plain consumer is hardly a punishment. :D

      Thu 2008/06/19 04:41:46 JST (ID #216792)
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  • Ryonea Raizo
    Ryonea Raizo in Yogyakarta, Indonesia (Registered on 2008/01/06)
    University Student

    If a person takes another person's life, then he/she must pay with his/her life too. Unless the victim's family forgives the murderer.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:45:33 JST (ID #216741)
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  • CrazyAnimeTuga
    CrazyAnimeTuga in Portugal (Registered on 2007/01/02)
    Student
    http://animestuff.wordpress.com/

    I'm against capital punishment, who are we to decide who lives or who dies?! Murderers should be kept in jail forever and I don't mind paying my taxes for it.

    Capital punishment is forbidden in all EU.

    Thu 2008/06/19 03:46:44 JST (ID #216744)
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    • yukito
      yukito in Finland (Registered on 2008/04/07)

      I agree. Death sentence does not make any sense to me. I do not want to give the justice system / the government the right to kill someone they think should be killed. It sounds like madness to me.

      Thu 2008/06/19 04:16:10 JST (ID #216761)
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  • Henry
    Henry in /usr/bin/ (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    anime/cosplay events organizer
    http://www.cosplay.ph

    IMO, capital punishment is just barbaric and I'd rather have criminals do hard manual labor than ending their life.

    It may be expensive to the tax payer to keep a criminal alive but have them do manual labor which could pay off.

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:07:49 JST (ID #216757)
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  • ornehx
    ornehx in ペナン、マレシ-ア (Registered on 2007/12/25)
    dannychoo.com の読者

    the only thing that scares me about capital punishment is what if they execute a innocent wrongly believed to be guilty?
    well, let's re-phrase, what if the law decided wrongly on the guilty or innocent? anyone watch shawshank redemption (kick-ass movie do watch)
    i mean the ppl that passes down judgement are only human, and even machine do make mistakes sometimes..
    well i dont have a solution here..just rumbling about my concern...

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:16:26 JST (ID #216763)
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    • Karl
      Karl in TEH Philippines (Registered on 2007/10/26)
      Student/Evil Overlord

      Oh yeah, heard that one before. It's like this: If the government wrongly sends someone to death then should capital punishment be abolished? If the government wrongly convicted someone innocent of a crime and send him to jail, should the jail system be abolished as well?

      Thu 2008/06/19 22:25:09 JST (ID #217431)
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  • Tourak
    Tourak in カナダ, ケベック (Registered on 2007/12/20)
    大がくせい

    I think capital punishment is a bad thing, for many reason already said, like mistake on suspect or that 2 wrong don't make a right. But I also believe every one should get a second chance, people can change and do change. Yes, it said for the victim(s) and their family, but killing the murderer won't bring them back. Also, for the economics question, it not necessarly true that death penalty, cost less, it not as easy as not paying to keep them in prison mean less money spent.
    Wikipedia got more detailed information on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_debate#Economic_arguments

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:16:27 JST (ID #216764)
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  • XSportSeeker
    XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
    http://xspblog.com

    I have no pitty for people who commit hideous crimes such as mass murders.
    But if possible, I'd keep the guy alive working 24 hours a day to serve the community.
    He will never be able to pay for what he's done, but I think killing him is his easy way out.

    He should work 'till he dies.

    But I do defend death penalty in cases like Brazil. Because here, even the worst prisioners can only stay in jail for 30 to 40 years (sh*tty laws), and even so, most of them will only be in jail for 1/3 of this due to good behavior...

    We have lots of other problems with our jail system too.

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:18:02 JST (ID #216766)
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  • radical anime fan
    radical anime fan in Singapore, Furnace City, Cinderblock Outskirts. (Registered on 2007/01/25)
    Polytechnic Junior, Bronze Lifesaving Trainee, Mech Designer In-training.
    http://thehangerbay.wordpress.com/

    I agree with capital punishment, but hearing about it doesn't make me happy. While a murderer or rapist is just plain scum, but like others have said, if the law screws up it's an innocent life lost. And besides, sometimes I feel that my country's laws are just too plain strict. I mean, death penalty for a few grams of drugs?! Whatever would happen if someone decided to put you into trouble by slipping a small sachet into your bag? OoO They should have a rehabilitation option for adults just like they rehabilitate underage drug offenders...

    But I'm not quite sure... just a hanging for a mass murderer is letting him get off too lightly. >:-( Let him suffer, I say. For his sins, and the imminent pressure he has brought to the anime lover's community.

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:26:11 JST (ID #216775)
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  • saragnayan
    saragnayan (Registered on 2007/12/19)

    if we're talking about mass murderers, i think it's best to just dispose of them the quickest and most cost efficient way possible. if you had a rotten apple in your basket, wouldn't you throw it away?

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:58:05 JST (ID #216802)
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  • macrossfan
    macrossfan in Minnesota, USA (Registered on 2008/01/03)
    Sports guy

    I say keep the DP. Why should these criminals be a drain on the rest of society. If they don't win an appeal in 3 tries over say 4 years. Kill'em. And not in a way that will to not feel pain...they should feel the pain as their victims did. I'd even be up for public execution.

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:58:33 JST (ID #216803)
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    • x33b
      x33b in Chicago (Registered on 2007/11/23)
      Network Admin

      Because it costs me and you more money to execute them.

      Thu 2008/06/19 21:06:18 JST (ID #217391)
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      • FMPhoenixHawk
        FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
        Scientist, unemployed.
        http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

        Depends on the method. It is cheap to shoot someone. Or hang them. Or behead them with something like a guillotine or ax. Or tie 20 of them together and blow them up with explosives. But that last one is pretty messy.
        All you need to do to kill someone painlessly is sever the connection between the brain stem and the spinal cord quickly and cleanly.

        Sat 2008/06/21 04:42:46 JST (ID #218458)
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  • The Darkness
    The Darkness in Panama (Registered on 2008/05/19)
    God of the Overlords

    if a guy kills 7 innocent folks he must die, in the worst, must painfull way posible, some hippes may agrue with me but people like those dont change their way of doing thing after been in jail, My country is full of delincuents and we dont give the capital punishment and thats why folk that kill an entire family go out in just 20 years to kill another family.

    capital punishment is fair, if you dont want to be killed dont kill, easy as that.

    Thu 2008/06/19 04:59:18 JST (ID #216804)
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  • bandit35
    bandit35 in U.S.A. (Registered on 2008/01/02)
    Civil Engineer, 토목 기사

    Those who are kind to the cruel....will end up in the end being cruel to the kind.

    So hang 'em high and lay 'em low.

    Thu 2008/06/19 05:11:20 JST (ID #216807)
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  • Philabong
    Philabong in Canada (Registered on 2008/06/16)
    Engineer
    http://philabong.webs.com/

    For stuff like this, I just refer to the Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.

    It's clear that by killing others, he wants others to kill him too. I say we should just get along and fullfil the killer's wishes; do unto him as he did unto others. That way, everyone wins. Ah, if it were only that easy.

    Thu 2008/06/19 05:12:16 JST (ID #216808)
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    • Fabian
      Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      student

      You would have to kill the executioners too because by killing criminals they stated that they want to be killed too.

      Thu 2008/06/19 05:19:10 JST (ID #216816)
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      • Philabong
        Philabong in Canada (Registered on 2008/06/16)
        Engineer
        http://philabong.webs.com/

        Yes, that is the catch. Maybe if they get some of that zombie serum to revive the victims and set them loose on the killer. But then we'd have another problem on our hands.

        Thu 2008/06/19 10:57:58 JST (ID #217033)
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        • Wynn
          Wynn in EVERYWHERE, Singapore (Registered on 2008/04/22)
          Myself-finder

          taht would become country of dead, and i dun think anyone can carry infinite amount of ammo to kill zombies

          Thu 2008/06/19 17:01:15 JST (ID #217230)
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  • NPC
    NPC in Rocklin, CA (Registered on 2007/12/06)
    JR. College Student
    http://npc.talkingincircles.net/

    I'm against the death penalty. Though some people do some disturbing things in this world, killing them would only bring ourselves to their level of absurdity.

    Thu 2008/06/19 05:12:30 JST (ID #216809)
    reply to NPC's comment
  • Pasha Drew
    Pasha Drew in Indiana, United States (Registered on 2008/02/29)
    IMAX Projection Operator

    first response is i'm against capital punishment. but. this is a tough one to tackle, should or should it not be allowed. i don't know.

    Thu 2008/06/19 05:18:56 JST (ID #216814)
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  • rotaryknight
    rotaryknight in Philadelphia (Registered on 2008/02/06)
    Ship welder, IT Guy, Rotary Fanatic

    im more of an "eye for an eye" person.

    I support capital punishment to its fullest extent.
    More people getting executed will make other people think twice....
    The things that goes through my mind.....so wicked.

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:06:32 JST (ID #216862)
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    • ceasol
      ceasol in Edmonton, Canada (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      Otaku
      http://imperiomoe.wordpress.com

      In an eye for an eye world the people become blind

      Thu 2008/06/19 08:25:09 JST (ID #216954)
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    • Fabian
      Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      student

      The deterrent effect of capital punishment is a myth. People usually commit crimes because they think they won't be caught or because they don't care about punishment at all.

      If tough penalties had an deterrent effect the crime rates of countries that still enforce capital punishment would nearly always be lower than in countries without death penalty and that's not the case.

      Thu 2008/06/19 17:29:53 JST (ID #217237)
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      • xdx
        xdx in Singapore (Registered on 2008/02/16)
        conscript

        If that is such the case, wouldn't laws be redundant? whats the point of having laws and punishments, since the criminals don't care about the punishment at all or think that they wouldn't get caught? since from what you had just said, are you telling me that laws and its penalties have no effect on people, and that people would commit because they don't care about the punishment at all? are you telling me that criminals do not care and do not fear the law?

        Thu 2008/06/19 18:19:02 JST (ID #217274)
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        • Fabian
          Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
          student

          Why don't you steal stuff when being in a shop and no one is watching or why won't you drive through a red light while being in the only car in sight? Is it because you will be punished or because you know it's wrong? If you do this solely because you might be punished you are probably in the minority. Most people respect such rules because they know what they are good for.

          However, there will always be a certain percentage of people having a distorted view of what is right and what is wrong or that are forced to act against their beliefs (e. g. They steal food because they are starving.). It's the purpose of the law enforcement to protect society against these people and (if possible) to rehabilitate them.

          Thu 2008/06/19 20:42:39 JST (ID #217378)
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          • xdx
            xdx in Singapore (Registered on 2008/02/16)
            conscript

            ah, now I get what you mean, what you mentioned earlier gave me the wrong idea.. but what about those who chose not to commit the crime out of the fear of getting caught and punished? at least it worked on those whom you classified as "in the minority"
            do you think that the detterent effect differs from country to country? since its quite common in my country for people to not do something not because they think its wrong, but because they know its against the law and fear getting punished. do schools in your country have "physical" punishments such as caning?

            Sat 2008/06/21 20:25:13 JST (ID #218892)
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  • silent1134
    silent1134 in Los Angeles, California (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    ???Confused???

    Really if you release em 20 years later they can still snap and hurt others...but rather than just hang em and then bury em...put their corpses to good use as medical research material so that future findings can save lives...

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:09:28 JST (ID #216865)
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    • Fabian
      Fabian in Germany (Registered on 2008/01/08)
      student

      Over here a judge could put especially dangerous individuals into preventive detention. So he will never be set free again even after serving his jail sentence.

      Thu 2008/06/19 17:35:34 JST (ID #217242)
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  • NMOtaku
    NMOtaku in Los Lunas, NM USA (Registered on 2007/11/13)
    PhysicsMajor/Someting/Photo/Pharm Tech
    http://www.cadha13.com/blog

    I think the capital punishment is not only a burden on the morality of the people also a heavier tax burden on the people. I say everyone is equal in the face of the law. We should not treat a killer that killed ten people different than the one who killed his wife in a moment of passion. In a democracy, everyone is equal and must be equally be punished in proportion to their crimes. All life is sacred, and we are not the ones to decide when a person is to die. Humans cannot exact perfect punishment, because we are not perfect.

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:27:04 JST (ID #216876)
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  • Triplekia
    Triplekia (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Student

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/nyregion/06rape.html?ex=1370491200&en=bc60cf51266f5a15&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
    Discuss this case.
    Assuming you can outsource capital punishment to middle east for a cheap stoned-to-death execution style (thus nullify the cost argument). Would you still sentence him to walk towards the gallow?

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:42:04 JST (ID #216884)
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  • The Silver Senshi
    The Silver Senshi in Australia (Registered on 2008/04/02)
    Student

    Death is too easy if you ask me. Why would I want a criminal to be released from guilt into oblivion? I don't mind paying for criminals to lose their freedom although I wish they did more with them, slavery perhaps, seems a waste just letting them exist for no purpose other than to rot; work them into the ground so they can do something useful with their life.

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:52:34 JST (ID #216890)
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  • drewz
    drewz in Sydney (Registered on 2008/01/19)
    Coordinator

    So I believe in karma. And for those to have murdered in cold blood should get the same reflected on them. So mass murderers should be executed. I hear those out there saying 'No one has the right to decide whether a person lives or dies'. Sure. But obviously the murderers decided on whether or not they'd kill someone. Randomly even.

    Incidentally, I believe all rapists and guys who sexually assault ladies should be castrated like the animals they are.

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:52:49 JST (ID #216891)
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  • Barsona
    Barsona in Bay Area, California (Registered on 2007/08/03)
    NEET (no, student, AND employed min. wage)
    http://otterhangar.blogspot.com/

    meh, just send them off in to the frontlines of war... They'll die eventually, or you can kill them off if necessary

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:54:44 JST (ID #216894)
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  • futaba_tan
    futaba_tan in the Arcadia (Registered on 2008/02/27)
    student
    http://beastofbloodgaara.deviantart.com

    capital punishment is the absolute right way for certain crimes. People who do despicable things like shootings or murder in cold blood or anything relating to harming a child, especially in a sexual manor, don't deserve to be pampered in jail for what they've done. I say leave the system be.

    Thu 2008/06/19 06:56:07 JST (ID #216896)
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  • wormgear
    wormgear in Chicago (Registered on 2008/02/22)
    Software Quality Engineer
    http://brotherwormgear.blogspot.com/

    My opinion is-- the sentence should fit the crime. If someone wants to be a killer, then let 'em hang. I am one of the people who *does* mind paying taxes to keep people alive in prison.

    Here in the States, we have a horribly corrupt judicial and penal system. Evil and violent criminals are given opportunities to get out of prison before their time is up, and unfortunately most of them go back to their lives of crime afterward. While they are IN prison, they continue their violent crimes inside, often killing other prisoners and/or prison guards. They also have easy access to drugs and alcohol. Furthermore, many prison inmates are gang members who have no trouble perpetuating their gang activities on both the inside and outside of the prison. Violent criminals learn from other criminals and often learn how to improve their crime-committing skills while on the inside, preparing them to be harder criminals who can more easily evade the law when they get out. It's a vicious circle.

    THEN, in my opinion, there *IS* some benefit to the criminals' victims. I hope Kato Tomohiro is going to be executed for what he did. I believe he doesn't deserve to share life in this world with the rest of us.

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:10:31 JST (ID #216901)
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    • NPC
      NPC in Rocklin, CA (Registered on 2007/12/06)
      JR. College Student
      http://npc.talkingincircles.net/

      You're wrong on many levels

      -Criminals aren't just released because we feel like it, they've done hard time and made no mistakes(good behavior). If necessary the judge will order more time for a given person.

      -Criminals do NOT keep killing inside of jail, this is very rare.

      -There is NOT easy access to drugs and alcohol in prison.

      -Jail does not prepare criminals to be better criminals or "harden" them. The reason why they may commit another offense is because they have very few options coming out of jail after so many years. They have almost no money and little education. There is food and shelter in Jail.

      I don't think Tomohiro Kato deserves to die, if you followed up on his case you would know he has a traumatic up-bringing. He needs help.
      http://www.japanprobe.com/?p=4895

      Thu 2008/06/19 09:58:12 JST (ID #217011)
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      • wormgear
        wormgear in Chicago (Registered on 2008/02/22)
        Software Quality Engineer
        http://brotherwormgear.blogspot.com/

        I believe I will have to respectfully disagree with you, NPC.

        While agree that many criminals who have done hard time and made no mistakes are deserving of a second chance, this situation certainly doesn't apply to all of them, in fact I wonder if that is true for even half of them. There are numerous articles citing cases that support my earlier statement. Just doing a quick Google search turned up articles like this one, detailing accounts of inmates murdering inmates:
        http://www.insideprison.com/prison_gang_profile_AB.asp
        Again, this may not be true for the vast majority of those in prison, but prisons do contain a large population of very violent people who regularly commit violent acts against one another--after all, that is what "shanks" are for, right?

        As to the issue of drugs in prison. This IS a reality, as evidenced by many articles written on the topic:
        http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/junk_in_the_joint.html
        http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/four1.html
        http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke/drugs.html
        (just to name a few)

        Finally-- Kato. While I do admit that I have not continued to follow his story, I don't agree that the situations surrounding his home life constitute real "trauma." Certainly, there are cases of individuals enduring a MUCH greater degree of hardship at home (incest-rape, extreme violence, etc.). This certainly does not excuse nor justify going on killing spree. If they really had such a difficult time, then there is no reason they can't seek help on their own and break the cycle.

        I do appreciate your response-- this is a good discussion. I still have to stand behind what I wrote, however.

        Fri 2008/06/20 05:32:05 JST (ID #217706)
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    • x33b
      x33b in Chicago (Registered on 2007/11/23)
      Network Admin

      Problem right now with people getting released early is over crowding of prisons. Depending on your sentence you might only be serving that on the weekends.

      Thu 2008/06/19 21:17:01 JST (ID #217396)
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  • wormgear
    wormgear in Chicago (Registered on 2008/02/22)
    Software Quality Engineer
    http://brotherwormgear.blogspot.com/

    My opinion is-- the sentence should fit the crime. If someone wants to be a killer, then let 'em hang. I am one of the people who *does* mind paying taxes to keep people alive in prison.

    Here in the States, we have a horribly corrupt judicial and penal system. Evil and violent criminals are given opportunities to get out of prison before their time is up, and unfortunately most of them go back to their lives of crime afterward. While they are IN prison, they continue their violent crimes inside, often killing other prisoners and/or prison guards. They also have easy access to drugs and alcohol. Furthermore, many prison inmates are gang members who have no trouble perpetuating their gang activities on both the inside and outside of the prison. Violent criminals learn from other criminals and often learn how to improve their crime-committing skills while on the inside, preparing them to be harder criminals who can more easily evade the law when they get out. It's a vicious circle.

    THEN, in my opinion, there *IS* some benefit to the criminals' victims. I hope Kato Tomohiro is going to be executed for what he did. I believe he doesn't deserve to share life in this world with the rest of us.

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:10:32 JST (ID #216902)
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  • yanggie
    yanggie in Singapore (Registered on 2008/01/14)
    Advocado

    @Barsona, hmmmm that sounded very interesting. Have you read Thomas More's Utopia? The criminals in the utopian society were made to slave and labour, putting even scum of the society to good use and in a way, repay the society for the "sins" they have committed upon the society.


    As for Danny-san's question, philosophically speaking, I think Japan has one of the most interesting criminal justice philosophies in the region if not the world.

    I've read in a very very long article that the Japanese criminal justice system focuses on the rehabilitative utility of its system rather than the conventional retributive (aka an eye for an eye) philosophy that most of us in the Anglophile world is used to. Okay, it is not a coincidence since a great part of the world is influenced by the religions of the Book (i.e. Judaism, Christianity & Islam), the criminal justice system mirrors the beliefs (it doesn't matter whether the state/country is no longer religious and is currently a secular state; the focus is on how that state/region came about, i.e. its history, culture, past influences etc).

    In Japan, IMHO, there is considerable influence from its shinto-ism and buddhism roots. It isn't surprising that its criminal justice system is built upon the need to rehabilitate criminal offenders and allowing them to re-integrate back in to the society. (Another point to note is how Japan is generally a very cooperative society, at least from a gai-jin's point of view.)

    Sorry for the long post, just thought of sharing a little on the backdrop on how the Japanese criminal justice system is like and maybe a little food for thought as to why they'd want to remove the capital punishment.

    I don't know it's very tricky, killing off a criminal just because there isn't enough resources to keep them alive isn't a very good solution isn't it? I think that's plain barbaric because it becomes a numerical exercise. Also, leaving capital punishment only for serious/grave crimes is legally and philosophically hard to digest. Are we sending out a message that it's alright to kill -insert arbitrary number- of people while it's not if it's -arbitrary number PLUS one- and therefore you'll get the death penalty?

    It's difficult to decide that number and which crimes are more serious. In a society which focuses on materialism, translated it means that property means a great deal to them, proprietary crimes might require a more serious punishment (read: how people used to hack off arms of thieves in the Middle-East). But surely, is the motivation behind the punishment retributive, deterrent-seeking or rehabilitative?

    It's unfair to punish one fella for the sake of stopping the rest from doing so. In any case, there are reports/numbers that capital punishment is equally effective/ineffective as non-capital punishment in relation to deterrence.

    While it seems more fair when it comes to taking vengeance on a person who has let said killed another person, but for whom is the vengeance taken? The society collectively decides that killing off a murderer will somehow satisfy the family members of the victim? Or did the victim arise from his/her death and said, "Look, I want this bugger hung!" There's a problem of a mismatch between the avenger, who's to be avenged and the criminal.

    Sigh... tough question, especially since some of us here at DCs come from a place with capital punishment, by hanging too.

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:17:58 JST (ID #216907)
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    • Kruge
      Kruge in Canada (Registered on 2008/03/06)

      I have not read Saint Thomas More's Utopia but that is the same belief that I hold. If some one commits a crime, use them to better the society through manual labour. I don't know if More addresses how to make them work but I would give them intensives like slightly reduce sentences or privileges.

      Also They should have tiny rooms just long enough for a bed and maybe half as wide. They'll get enough exercise from working all day. and maybe a bigger room might be a good incentive.

      Thu 2008/06/19 07:55:13 JST (ID #216933)
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  • andra
    andra in Singapore (Registered on 2007/11/06)
    中学生
    http://thezhukeeper.blogspot.com

    maybe should have make them sweep the floor or something for many many moons..

    Even if you hang that Akiba killer to death, the lost lives would never come back

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:46:07 JST (ID #216927)
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  • euphoria
    euphoria in Edmonton, Canada (Registered on 2008/04/28)
    Student/Part-timer
    http://random-euphoria.blogspot.com/

    I really sit on the fence when it comes to capital punishment.
    Theres a lot of issues, and exploring everything kinda leads you to no decision. You need to factor in money, emotions, pyschology etc...
    Then you need to look at the alternative. Prisons. some prisons these days are like personally mansions. Its like the analogy of the parent sending their naughty kid to their room with playstations and internet.
    If prisons were more like ones from the medieval times, dark and gloomy and depressing, then Id definately think thats a better choice for someone like a mass murderer to spend teir rest of their life. Getting killed imo is letting them get off to easily.
    Then theres the wrongly accused. Think of the situation where a innocent person may get the death sentence.
    Im gonna stop here, we can all probably write an essay on this lol

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:50:09 JST (ID #216931)
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  • evangel
    evangel in new york (Registered on 2008/02/21)
    Job Hunter

    Why keep a mass murderers alive giving his/her the possibility of ever escape and going on another killing spree. Kill them quick and painlessly. If they were to be forced to stay in prison for the remainder of their lives, I can't image it being much of a life in prison, better off ending them with their last meal and last words. And if they are to be released in x amount of years, there's a saying, "they come out worst than when they went in."

    On the other hand, the justice system isn't great and people do make mistakes. So if someone was to be sentenced to life in prison then later found to be innocent or not guilty, at least they can still release the prisoner. Without the option of life in prisonment, the prisoner might be die for the wrong reason.

    Thu 2008/06/19 07:56:33 JST (ID #216937)
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  • zephi
    zephi in Sydney, Australia (Registered on 2008/04/26)
    student
    http://zephi-san.deviantart.com/

    I won't say much on this topic. For me I think anyone sentenced for life in prison is just a big waste of tax payer's money. You wouldn't want a mass murderer to be out doing community service stuff would you? Death sentence might be a better choice in my opinion...

    Thu 2008/06/19 08:34:25 JST (ID #216957)
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  • Gibson
    Gibson in California (Registered on 2007/05/27)
    Student artist
    http://www.requestview.wordpress.com

    Funny thing is that I wonder why people want to abolish the lethal injection. The reason I love Texas is because they have the most executions in all of the other states combined in the united state. Not to mention the electric chair. It better to execute the criminals who have murder not the one who robs. Since the American economy is dropping I think that tax dollars should be spent more wisely..

    Thu 2008/06/19 08:35:08 JST (ID #216958)
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  • ceasol
    ceasol in Edmonton, Canada (Registered on 2008/01/08)
    Otaku
    http://imperiomoe.wordpress.com

    Here a work I did about The Capital Punishment for my College

    Killing in the Name of Justice?

    Taking away a person's life with the Capital Punishment by a government to give to apply justice is the ultimate denial of human rights and discriminatory. This fundamental right is enunciated in Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. This is why the Capital Punishment is inhuman and degrading and is not accord to with the civilized and modern way of life; killing people to punish killers is not good way to say to the criminal, “killing is not good”. What the state does killing is promoting the same reactions in criminals, and the society get the wrong message as the violence should be punish with more violence promoting what we know as culture of death. Furthermore, the justice system is not infallible; there always the possibility of error, an innocent person could be sentence to death by an error in the system. In Canada, at least six prisoners being convicted for first-degree murderers and serving sentences get their freedom based in new evidence proving their innocence, also two of those persons were in jail for more the ten years, they could faced the death penalty if this still used in Canada5. Experience shows many times that criminals can avoid the dead penalty even thought they were possible guilty of horrible crimes they committed, but they faced mild prosecutor or could hire a good lawyer and avoid harder sentences or even the Jail. The most notorious case was the one against the ex sport star O.J. Simpson and the trail for murder of his wife and her boyfriend. However, persons who are poor and could no afford a good defense are subject to be found guilty more easily and received the worst punishments. History shows us how the death penalty has been disproportionately used against poor people, religious groups, ethnic minorities, and politics opponents; and we conclude this is probe the death penalty is discriminatory.

    The Death Penalty did not reduce the criminality as supporters said. Canada is probe of that, when the executions stop in Canada in 1976 the homicides did not increase, nevertheless the number the homicides was lowest than the previous year changing from 2.8 to 2.7 per 100,000 persons, and the next 20 years fluctuated between 2.2 to 2.8 with a descending tendency, 1995 was the lowest year with just 1.985. Since 1970’s the murder rate, is declining reports Statistics Canada. In 2005 the number of murders in Canada was 663 and 605 in 2006, a reduction in 58 murders; the national murder rate in Canada for 2006 was 1.85 homicides per 100,000 persons in contrast in 1970’s were around 3.0. Murder rates in Canada are generally about a third of those in the United States6 which used the death penalty. States such as Texas, Louisiana and Florida are some of the top executioners, but at the same time these are the states with most rate of murders8, other statistics show that in 1996 states with capital penalty had an average murder rate of 7.1 per 100,000 against 3.6 per 100,000 from those states without execution9.

    Many people try to justify the Death punishment because is cheaper killing prisoners than keep them for life in a jail but the facts are different. Killing prisoners is more expensive. One of many studies said in California spends per execution about $250 millions, taxpayers could save more than $114 million year if the inmates were keep jailed for life, the same occur in other states where other studies were done7. The costs and times to execute a person en United States are becoming extremely higher, we can not justify to kill persons because this will be more economic but we can justify than keep them in prison for life is more economic.

    Conclusion: In the world the movement to stop the executions committed by countries as a form to enforce justice is clear signal there is no room for this kind of punishment in a modern and civilianized society and Canada can not take a step behind reestablishing something that is against the basics human rights and proclaimed in his own law. The death penalty fails stop criminality and promotes just more violence, hate, and more pain to the society. The death penalty legitimizes an irreversible act of violence by the state3, for Canada must be an example of development of human rights and never allow to premeditated kill, killers to show killing is bad.

    http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGACT500012000?open&of=ENG-392
    http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/rights/50yrs/50yrs-08_e.shtml
    http://www.amnesty.ca/deathpenalty/canada.php
    http://canadaonline.about.com/od/crime/a/abolitioncappun.htm
    http://www.deathpenalty.org/index.php?pid=cost&menu=1%22
    http://www-tech.mit.edu/V113/N53/morrison.53o.html
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/execut4.htm

    Thu 2008/06/19 08:35:45 JST (ID #216960)
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  • rosel
    rosel in korea (Registered on 2008/01/19)
    student

    wow.
    japan deals capital punishment in an extremely discreet way.
    i mean, isn't capital punishment suppose to scared future criminals? but chances are.. they won't even know who got hanged..

    Thu 2008/06/19 08:52:28 JST (ID #216971)
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  • kinzokusama
    kinzokusama in Vancouver (Registered on 2008/06/19)
    Domon Kasshu fanboy/ Starving Artist
    http://tammaro.deviantart.com/

    The question is, if you got that sentence, would you rather live for the rest of your life in a small cramped cell, being raped, fed terrible food and be abused for years, or would you rather die? :/

    Seems like far worse punishment to have to live out your life in prison than to just die.

    Plus, in most countries, people spend years awaiting execution cost just as much money ot the government. Sometimes they even die before they're executed. It all seems pointless and inhumane to kill people. It's like giving the government power over life.

    Thu 2008/06/19 09:24:13 JST (ID #216989)
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  • BandAiD
    BandAiD in 米国 (Registered on 2008/01/08)
    C. Engineering Student
    http://otaku.baywords.com

    Interesting question.

    Here in the US, it's actually had a study done showing that it costs tax payers more money to put a criminal to DEATH than it is to have them in prison for life. Yes, I didn't mistype anything there. I personally don't believe in death penalty regardless of the degree of the crime, I personally think it's worse to live out your life in fear and boredom for life in prison.

    Putting someone to death I also feel like is "stepping" down to someone else's level.

    Thu 2008/06/19 09:49:05 JST (ID #217006)
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  • Akari
    Akari in Vancouver/Burnaby, Canada (Registered on 2008/06/15)
    http://akari-nyan.deviantart.com/

    Canada has no death penalty...however the way we deal with things aren't that great either like letting them have a 2nd chance after 20 years or so and then have them go back in jail for doing the same thing again. [Has happened before]

    Thu 2008/06/19 10:51:08 JST (ID #217028)
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  • Shoddy Goldrider
    Shoddy Goldrider in Port Macquarie, Australia (Registered on 2008/05/12)

    If someone killed one of my loved ones? I'd rather have him 'rot' in prison than get out of it by death.

    Thu 2008/06/19 11:07:03 JST (ID #217040)
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  • CyruzDraxs
    CyruzDraxs in Kelowna, BC, Canada (Registered on 2007/09/11)
    Web Design & Development
    http://www.nerdculture.org

    Kill 2 birds with one stone; make them work in a guarded factory for the rest of their lives, so they have to EARN their food by making something that can be sold to the public to earn money for their food, instead of paying for their food with taxes.

    Thu 2008/06/19 11:29:53 JST (ID #217056)
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    • necrophadian
      necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
      -1
      http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

      don't they do that already? license plates and road construction/clean up

      Fri 2008/06/20 05:36:18 JST (ID #217711)
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      • FMPhoenixHawk
        FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
        Scientist, unemployed.
        http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

        Not always. Several states have had lawsuits over making prisoners work at certain jobs. Menial labor (laundry, food service) is fine, but road clean-up is considered cruel because they have to work 10-12 hour days, as well as transit time. Plus, the work (and money) taken away from law-abiding citizens. And in a few states, license plates are no longer made by criminals because they can be stamped out faster by cheap machines.

        Sat 2008/06/21 04:50:33 JST (ID #218460)
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  • Evil King
    Evil King in Vlaardingen, the Netherlands, Earth (Registered on 2007/12/18)
    Student and full-time otaku

    Well, once you start approving of it, it will just lead to a downward spiral of hate. Still, some crazy s.o.b's simply deserve it and I still don't get why life imprisonement is argued to cost less. But not informing the family until after the fact is cruel imo.

    Thu 2008/06/19 11:30:25 JST (ID #217057)
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  • Uchikoma
    Uchikoma in Wales (Registered on 2008/06/14)
    Programmer
    http://www.nowloading.co.uk

    My father was unlawfully killed, and they didn't serve long, I even know where he lives, yet the death penalty and any sort of retribution from myself wouldn't be right. He has kids of his own now, and depriving them of a father would be just as cruel and I wouldn't wish that on them, better he live his life knowing what he did.

    Thu 2008/06/19 11:46:31 JST (ID #217070)
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  • perroloco
    perroloco (Registered on 2008/01/13)

    I am pretty sure that danny made this post because of the recent announcement of Miyazaki´s execution...

    He had spend almost 20 years in prison and he was executed 2 days ago, some say the Akihabara incident of 2 weeks ago has something to do with it.

    But in my opinion he never got the punishment he deserved, he was an otaku, and in prison where practically he could live for free he was able to read all the manga he wanted to...
    Seriously what kind of "punishment" is to let him live exaclty the same way he used to live before his crimes, without the need to work?

    I think Capital Punishment should be reserved for scum like him who really had no remorse of killing innocent people and in the case that he is the true killer without a shadow of a doubt.

    For more info:
    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-06-17/otaku-murderer-tsutomu-miyazaki-executed-on-tuesday
    http://web.archive.org/web/20070818192957/http://www.charlest.whipple.net/miyazaki.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki

    Thu 2008/06/19 13:11:47 JST (ID #217110)
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  • zscout370
    zscout370 in San Diego, California, USA (Registered on 2008/02/10)
    student, vexillologist
    http://twitter.com/zscout370

    Personally, I'll hang'em high. More and more times I look at prison videos of the United States, it feels like there are some (very few percentage, mind you) who want to go to prison. For some, it is better than the streets. I wish to deny them the pleasures of life if they decide to end someone else's illegally.

    Thu 2008/06/19 13:24:16 JST (ID #217118)
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  • kimpoi
    kimpoi in JAVA (Registered on 2007/12/06)
    ??!

    Kill them please...
    Eniwey...
    I'm always on Kira-Kami-SAMA side lol

    Thu 2008/06/19 14:37:40 JST (ID #217157)
    reply to kimpoi's comment
    • necrophadian
      necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
      -1
      http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

      do not be so quick to pass death even on the most vile of human beings, it only makes you as murderous as them

      Fri 2008/06/20 05:37:12 JST (ID #217713)
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  • jirok
    jirok in Kobe (Registered on 2008/02/05)

    I'm against capital punishment on principle. All arguments for it are seen to not stand up after logical examination. Seems execution only provides a brief feeling of vindication. Here's the paradox of capital punishment

    Premise: Human judgment is fallible. Sooner or later or it may have already occurred, an innocent will be executed.

    So if we execute that one innocent. Society as a whole are murderers and we all need to go.

    Thu 2008/06/19 14:46:21 JST (ID #217166)
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  • Eva
    Eva in Singapore (Registered on 2008/05/18)
    Admin

    Does anybody know who they executed? Tsutomu Miyazaki. Murdered four little girls aged between 4 to 7 between 1988 and 1989. Sexually molested their corpses. Drank the blood and ate the flesh of his victim. Sent tormenting letters and phone calls to their stricken families.

    Tell me a scum like that deserves to live out his life peacefully. Tell me a scum like that deserves to have the state provide him with food, medical care, books, morning exercises while thousands of others who have committed no crime go hungry, cold and homeless.

    Thu 2008/06/19 15:38:37 JST (ID #217192)
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  • Altair Hashan
    Altair Hashan in Ljubljana, Slovenia (Registered on 2008/05/18)
    A Real RocknRolla

    capital punishment doesn't solve the problem of crime being committed. the USA is your most closest example of a western country that has capital punishment and it doesn't lover crime at all in fact its rising.
    the idea of prison is to correct the problem. thats why its called a Correction Facility. yet instead of solving the problem and even find the source of the problem, they just kill the guilty party and say ''problem solved''. and there is the paradox of who are we to judge who lives and who dies? thats is playing God and we are not Gods. when we execute the guilty we become nothing better then the one we are killing.
    in other words if we cannot correct the guilty with psychiatric help, prison time or any other methods leave then in jail to rot. in there they are in no shape or form of being a threat to others.

    Thu 2008/06/19 16:46:25 JST (ID #217222)
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  • Wynn
    Wynn in EVERYWHERE, Singapore (Registered on 2008/04/22)
    Myself-finder

    since there's bound to be mistakes, there no point saying that capital punishment shld be abolished JUST becuz mistakes are made and innoncents are killed.

    Anyways, since the world is overflowing with people now, i dun see the point of not killing a few extra pple, who can potential create more pple, which would make the world even more overflow.

    i'm neither for or against capital punishment, but since there's no point keeping them here, and making them do manual jobs will take away the job slot for those normal pple, might as well kill them off.

    sry for being harsh

    Thu 2008/06/19 17:16:05 JST (ID #217233)
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  • Dead Snake
    Dead Snake in Ngayogyakarto Hadiningrat (Registered on 2007/05/11)
    writing mini thesises
    http://kazenomise.net/

    u kill them just because u don't want ure money spent on them? I don't think u're better then them at all.

    as for if my beloved one was killed by someone, of course I'd be in despair and definitely the word revenge will cross my mind but eventually those thoughts can't make the situation get any better(revive/life/phoenix down my beloved)

    Thu 2008/06/19 17:31:43 JST (ID #217240)
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  • Danny Choo
    Danny Choo in Tokyo (Registered on 2006/12/11)
    CEO MIrai Inc
    http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/

    An interesting conversation so far and its great that no arguments have broken out.

    Thu 2008/06/19 18:22:46 JST (ID #217278)
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  • Kenshin_07
    Kenshin_07 in Southport, England (Registered on 2008/01/28)
    University Student

    Well, here in England, we have a pretty big crisis at hand at that is overcrowding of prisons. Prisons are springing up all over the place but it isn't relieving the situation, would it not just be easier to reinstate the death penalty to get rid of all of those that would ordinarily just be in the prison for life (and there are a lot...)? I'm not saying that I'm necessarily 'For' the death penalty, I don't know, I guess I'm just thinking out loud here.

    Btw I'm one of those people that thinks in absolutes... I'd probably make a good Kira Lol =S

    Thu 2008/06/19 20:07:35 JST (ID #217351)
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    • Uchikoma
      Uchikoma in Wales (Registered on 2008/06/14)
      Programmer
      http://www.nowloading.co.uk

      Problem is, in the UK we have so many bleeding heart groups that think mass rapists and the like need "love and understanding" that would never happen. Heck, look at all the chav's in the slammer that get to go out on day trips and have training to get a decent job when they leave. Seems you are better off if you go to prison for a while and the government will set you up for life...

      Thu 2008/06/19 21:34:42 JST (ID #217410)
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  • heat horn
    heat horn in Indonesia (Registered on 2008/01/05)
    keroro platoon member
    http://heathorn.wordpress.com

    A heavy subject to discuss.
    Capital punishment is supposed to make other criminals stop, but everything doesn't go the way we want it to, in fact we can still read the newspaper and find articles about crimes everyday.
    Actually i myself am not sure about things like this. But to me, death is just too simple for them to atone for what they had done.

    Thu 2008/06/19 20:54:49 JST (ID #217384)
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  • DerTurkey
    DerTurkey in Singapore (Registered on 2008/02/10)
    Conscript
    http://raven87.blogspot.com/

    I would prefer to describe capital punishment to be a form of deterrent. If that is not in place, people will test the judicatory system again and again. I believe that most people rank their lives as the most valuable asset in his/her possession.

    I thought that lethal injection was most humane as compared to hanging which still look rather brutal although its a snap of the neck.

    Thu 2008/06/19 21:58:17 JST (ID #217417)
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  • snorlax
    snorlax in los angeles (Registered on 2008/06/16)
    student

    Capital punishment is difficult. The family members of the victim what justice, but killing the murderer or killer will not give them the justice they want. To be given death is like another way out, and life in prison dose not make much of a punishment. These criminals should be punished to the extend of their crime. I do not mean torture, but some kind of punishment that will give the family members of the victim some kind of closure.

    Thu 2008/06/19 22:28:21 JST (ID #217432)
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  • Meimi132
    Meimi132 in Stuck in the void between the net life and real life. (Registered on 2007/12/03)
    Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
    http://meimi132.wordpress.com/

    Kawaii!! Love Raito-kun!!!

    Thu 2008/06/19 23:30:19 JST (ID #217461)
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  • &re:)
    &re:) in Budapest, Hungary (Registered on 2008/01/06)
    student during the day, otaku at night

    If someone has lost the will to live then capital punishment is no deterrent for him/her. I think lifelong imprisionment is better, that way you feel the consequences for a long-long time and have a chance ro repent for what you have done. Punishment should make people change the way they think, not erase them.

    Fri 2008/06/20 00:15:29 JST (ID #217482)
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  • Kris
    Kris in Texas (Registered on 2008/05/19)
    http://girlg33k.blogspot.com/

    Huh, they still hang people. I guess it's cheaper than electrocution and lethal injection.
    I don't like capital punishment myself. I don't think any person has the right to take away someone else's life...for any reason. Anyway, since people are still running around committing murder and what-not, the death penalty clearly isn't much of a deterrent. The sort of people who commit murder aren't always mentally sound, so I doubt they're thinking "Oh, if I do this, I might go to jail and be executed."

    Fri 2008/06/20 02:14:44 JST (ID #217530)
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    • zscout370
      zscout370 in San Diego, California, USA (Registered on 2008/02/10)
      student, vexillologist
      http://twitter.com/zscout370

      I know in some places, mentally unstable people cannot be executed. I believe the United States is one of those places, but only just recently.

      Fri 2008/06/20 12:32:30 JST (ID #217950)
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      • Kris
        Kris in Texas (Registered on 2008/05/19)
        http://girlg33k.blogspot.com/

        Clinically retarded, I think. If you plead insanity, that just means they might not execute you, not that they can't. I think that's how it works.

        Fri 2008/06/20 18:01:44 JST (ID #218088)
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        • FMPhoenixHawk
          FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
          Scientist, unemployed.
          http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

          Nope. If you are found legally insane, you cannot be executed. You can only be placed in lifetime psychiatric care. Think John Hinkley. The retarded or any other mental defective people are also placed in the looney bin for life. This has been in place in most states since the early 50s. Texas was one of the last, IIRC, which is what you might be thinking of.

          Sat 2008/06/21 04:53:59 JST (ID #218465)
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  • NaKAhi70
    NaKAhi70 in a video game (Registered on 2008/04/06)
    大学の学生 1st year
    http://otakunaka.blogspot.com/

    im actually a Kira at heart i was so obesssed with death note (still am) im still hoping for a book that will rid the world of people like osama bin laden and that guy in akiba (his reason for the murders were stupid) but i thikn anyone that gets away with killing or any bad crime such as tax evasion or mass murder should be killed im more for the heart attack approach but i guess hanging will have to do ...

    Fri 2008/06/20 14:24:18 JST (ID #218002)
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  • FMPhoenixHawk
    FMPhoenixHawk in Michigan, USA (Registered on 2008/01/20)
    Scientist, unemployed.
    http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com

    You know, there is a solution to the cost of execution, as well as letting people feel good about themselves: Have one of the murderers be the executioner. Sure, he never gets to get out of prison, but he gets to do lots of free killings.
    Also, change the law so the appeal in a death penalty case is NOT automatic.

    Sat 2008/06/21 04:55:45 JST (ID #218467)
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  • Peter in Japan
    Peter in Japan in Isesaki, Japan (Registered on 2008/01/24)
    Webmaster, J-List
    http://www.peterpayne.net

    One interesting thing is that in Japan, everyone who is considered Japanese (i.e. is of Japanese blood) is never considered to be anything but Japanese, and thus there's no issue of racism within capital punishment. It's no t like Japan is putting the gaijin or the Koreans or the Ainu to death at a higher rate than Japanese, in other words -- I imagine japan is EXTREMELY careful with any serious crime involving a non-Japanese for these reasons. On the flipside, Japanese police are maniacal that every crime must be admitted to by the perpetrator, and their efforts to force these confessions are very sad since some weak-minded innocents say whatever is needed to get out of that room. I remember a guy who got blamed for the sarin gas attack in Matsumoto because he happened to have a little chemical knowledge, when it turned out to be the Aum cult. Poor guy got no satisfaction, either.

    Sat 2008/06/21 11:12:03 JST (ID #218665)
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  • noob
    noob in philippines (Registered on 2007/09/02)
    Underdog Artist, Outcast to the Society, Tetsuya Nomura art fan

    i know somebody already post this by my countrymen but, actually ending a person's life should be a punishment for those criminals who are very dangerous to be kept alive. if they live long enough in prison, they might cause a riot and probably initiate a jailbreak....besides for those who are torned, justice shall serve it's rightful judgement.

    Fri 2008/07/25 10:51:36 JST (ID #247146)
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  • Colonel
    Colonel in Scatland (Registered on 2008/06/25)
    Otaku/Lolicon/Student and future teacher

    I find that death isn't a good punishment. Midevil torture is the way to go...

    Tue 2008/07/29 20:21:50 JST (ID #250985)
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  • chuachuram
    chuachuram in ChuChu (Registered on 2008/06/16)

    "I dont want to pay tax just to keep criminals alive." Some prisons have xbox 360's, playstation 3's, cable television etc and some honest hard working people can't even afford stuff like that. People claim the death penalty is inhumane and that letting them live with the guilt is better. But that seems hardly humane in itself.

    Thu 2008/08/21 09:43:46 JST (ID #272687)
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  • Okinawa
    Okinawa in The imaginative world (Registered on 2009/03/27)
    Student
    http://okinawarommy.blogspot.com/

    i vote for death sentences~

    but then again, there's loophole in law..so even a criminal can escape before going into a prison..

    eniwei..after reading all (well most) of the comments...i still think death sentences is good enough for some cases~ there are so called unintentional murder, druggies, and some others that i cant think atm that are somewhat forgivable to go to under some other sentences.


    law enforcement in my country is so low (except for drug trafficking) until it makes the community itself bring hard cold justice(death) to any person criminals or not yet proven guilty even for minor crimes...so yeah..i dont really have trust to the police since most of them are corrupted anyway..its just a cycle that leads chaos..ahh i rambling of different thing = _ =

    but still...yes for death sentences

    Thu 2009/04/02 11:33:41 JST (ID #546419)
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  • Kenpol
    Kenpol in here. (Registered on 2008/01/17)
    student/mini otaku/nerfer

    live imprisonment,and fine of all their money,that way,no1 wanna commit crimes

    oh,and super harsh conditions,like....sleeping on spikes...
    basically torture...

    Sat 2009/05/09 14:37:35 JST (ID #597978)
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  • Neutron
    Neutron in A place with many dangerous materials. (Registered on 2008/11/17)
    Simple Program Creator, 3D Designer (Without animation), Flammable Organic Gas Producer, Oxygen consumer

    I support Death sentence.....because although serving the death penalty make citizens un-happy....it makes me happy....because it can reduce at least 1 inferior human in the world...

    Sun 2009/05/10 07:16:44 JST (ID #598954)
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    • Leo-chan
      Leo-chan in Lamesville, Winterpeg, Canada (Registered on 2009/02/03)
      Retailerz

      I'm with you on that one. I'm for the death sentence if they are without a doubt guilty.

      Wed 2009/07/15 20:59:58 JST (ID #677342)
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  • Racer's Dream
    Racer's Dream in Curva Tamburello (Registered on 2009/01/27)
    90's F1 Afficionate and Anti-Otaku
    http://www.livestream.com/f1action

    Hold up...Did i notice that Japan doesn't support death penalty? Or is it me?
    In my POV, Spain got rid of Death Penalty when the 19th Century was shutting off. Puerto Rico got rid of it in 1928, and i'm considering it re-approving it(Whether the citizens like it or not) once the island passes to Chinese rule

    Tue 2009/07/14 04:25:40 JST (ID #675848)
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  • Racer's Dream
    Racer's Dream in Curva Tamburello (Registered on 2009/01/27)
    90's F1 Afficionate and Anti-Otaku
    http://www.livestream.com/f1action

    And i forgot. On North Korea, there is a dangerously risky procedure on which the executee is wrapped on nuclear explosives, and when it ticks noon, those nukes are set off.

    The worst thing is, the nukes, once exploded, it destroys not just the executee, but the staff and the facility also, and everyone within the blast radius.

    That's the reason why the United Nations Organisation wants to declare war against North Korea

    Tue 2009/07/14 04:34:12 JST (ID #675856)
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