Amazon UK Sells Eroge

Update - Just posted this on BoingBoing.
Amazon in toraburu for selling the eroge Rapelay.
A game that involves the player stalking victims and then raping them in a virtual world is being offered for sale by online retailer Amazon.com, the Belfast Telegraph's website can reveal.
The shocking 'rape simulator', Rapelay, is set in Japan and carries a sickening game description on the Amazon website. An MP said last night that he plans to raise the issue in Parliament.
Reviews by gaming websites have expressed horror at the basis for the game.
One website review describes "tears glistening in the young girl's eyes" as she is attacked in graphic detail.
Players begin the game by stalking a mother on a subway station before violently raping her. They then move on to attack her two daughters described as virgin schoolgirls.
Players are also allowed to enter 'freeform mode' where they can rape any woman and get other male game characters to join the attacks.
Pregnancy and abortion are listed as 'key features'. One review said: "If she does become pregnant you're supposed to force her to get an abortion, otherwise she gets more and more visibly pregnant each time you have sex.
"If you allow the child to be born then the woman will throw you in front of a train!"
Most of the descriptions and screenshots of the game are too graphic for publication here.
The game's producer, Illusion is a company from Japan famous for making similar 3D Hentai games.
The online encyclopedia, Wikipedia, says: "Due to Illusion's policy, its games are not intended to be sold or used outside of Japan, and official support is only given in Japanese and for use in Japan."
Despite this policy consumers, including those in the UK and Ireland, are now able to buy the game through the Amazon website.
Last night Labour MP Keith Vaz said he was shocked that Amazon are allowing people to purchase such a game and plans to raise the issue in Parliament after being contacted by the Belfast Telegraph website.
Mr Vaz said: “It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offence of rape.
"To know that this widely available through a major online retailer is utterly shocking, I do not see how this can be allowed.
“I will be raising this matter in Parliament and hope that action is taken to prevent the game from being sold.”
Last year the MP for Leicester East was criticised for claiming such games exist.
Mr Vaz was speaking in support of of Conservative MP Julian Brazier's Private Member's Bill – which sought to introduce an official governmental body that can challenge rulings by the British Board of Film Classifications (BBFC).
Vaz stated: "People who are watching a film at the cinema cannot participate in what is happening on the screen, or if they do they are removed from the cinema.
"However...when people play these things, they can interact. They can shoot people; they can kill people. As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."
Vaz's claims were questioned by Tory MP for Wantage Edward Vaizey.
He told Parliament: "...the right honourable Member for Leicester East (Keith Vaz), who chairs the Home Affairs Committee, mentioned that some video games allow the participant to engage in a rape act...
"I checked the point with the BBFC and found it to be completely unaware of any such video game.
"Is the honourable Gentleman aware of any video game that has as its intention the carrying out of rape or that allows the game player to carry out such an act? The BBFC and I are unaware of any such game."
At the time hundreds of gaming blogs slated Vaz for his comments. One blog poster said: "This guy has no idea what he's talking about he's more likey to of never even played a game in his life just plain stupid if you ask me."
Only one comment appears on the Amazon website. The user says: "1.0 out of 5 stars. The fact that this exists as a game makes me sad. I am saddened and appalled by the mere idea of this game. is this for real?"
Last year the Belfast Telegraph revealed that Amazon had listed a Barack Obama mask as terrorist costume. The online retailer said the offensive category was put there by someone using its "tag" feature and had removed it immediately.
(update) After being contacted by the Belfast Telegraph Amazon today removed the webpage (still viewable here from Google's cache). A screenshot is also available at this location. The company would not comment on the item or say why it had been offered for sale through their website.
You can still buy it on Amazon Japan though.
Some Rapelay gaming below. Some bits are NSFW desu. Some screenshots at Sankaku and Getchu (scroll to the bottom) - NSFW desu ne.
Taken from Belfast Telegraph via Games Park.
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studying comp studies, planning to look for part time job
http://bruneian-otaku.blogspot.com
Danny! thats one helluva game XD
studying comp studies, planning to look for part time job
http://bruneian-otaku.blogspot.com
I don't think everyone can play this =_=
student
WTF? I don't think anyone should play this. o.0
Student of Computer Info. & Office Sys.
But... it's just a game o_o
It's raep based but... It's still a game~
future president(hopefully)
Nah... Research says that Games like these actually prevents criminality to occur... So everyone trying to stop these kind of games are wrong
future president(hopefully)
well... maybe not that wrong haha... besides they were just trying to help
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
it may reduce the occurrence of rape but in the wrong hands with th wrong kind of mindset is not good especially that they're openly being sold in this manner so i think there is good reason for it
ダメ人間, ひきこもり
I played the game long long ago and it was good, really! :)
employee
http://aronami.deviantart.com/
yeah..hell of a game..really disturbing with what they so called "key features". I'm really disturbed right now. It's not healthy & immoral to play, others will think it's just a game but please..so inhumane to play, don't you have any mothers or sisters or girl cousins??
Student/Music Producer/Web Designer
http://www.myspace.com/lionbiscuits
Oh wow. o_o;
Sheesh, when people buy things like this, I think things go a bit far.
To make a career out of this, in my eyes, is just not a way to live... (The creator of the game.) It's really sad. Now, lighter games (ones that don't involve rape...) Are fine by me, but jeez... o.O
Student, artist, dreamer
http://tranquil-solace.com
Yeah it does seem a little extreme @.@!
Kagamin's Waifu
http://moorina.deviantart.com/
Interesting... the bigger question is whether things like this will fuel or quench criminal appetites...
Otaku, US Army, Student (Political Science)
http://figure.tsuki-board.net/profile/Syaoran
Well considering it was made and released in Japan and they have lower violence and sex crimes than the USA I'd have to say it quenches their appetites :D
http://www.marvinryan.com
I have a feeling the lower crime rate in Japan is more attributed to their culture than to the games they play.
yeah, and the crimes in the US are attributed to the violent games they play
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
now that will be fallacious if you follow the argument :P
its more of different factors than one
Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 触手 wrangler, H-Man
http://lightningsabre.blogspot.com/
I never realized Rapelay has an actual story line... ^^;
http://simonpiong.com
at the end of the first vid, did the girl suddently broke her leg by herself or something? it looks weird....
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
Oh yes... all eroge players are a danger to society. :nods: Yup yup. I'm gonna go out right now and find me some women!!! (Because thats how all eroge players roll apparantly... god....)
OMG seriously.... If people are allowed to play trash like Grand Theft Auto and get away with murdering, stealing, sleeping with prostitutes etc, then this game is no worse! No worse than something like Manhunt thats for sure...
Amazed it got onto the UK amazon site though lol.
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
The girls in the screenshots seem to be enjoying it... if they depicted real rape then it would be much-much-much worse.
College Student
A common theme in raep-oriented goods is how raep becomes "love" when the victim has been sufficiently violated and becomes submissive to the man. It kind of plays into a psychology of control or domination of women which is kind of pervasive in lots of h content.
For reference, one of the "states" the heroines achieves in that game is "broken" (think broken will) if I remember correctly.
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
GTA, trash :O
Vice City is a classic.
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
T-ra-sh.
Sorry, but they be lame games. If I want free roaming gameplay, I'll go for an MMORPG or something else. But stealing cars and killing people for points? Never appealed... If I feel like a violent game, I'll go for a round or two of a Tekken game.
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
they're brilliant...tho GTA4 was a bit rubbish.
Actor, Moviemaker and Blogger.
http://sitedofonseca.blogspot.com
Agree.
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
Not to mention GTA actually GLORIFIES those criminal acts. But seriously, anyone playing a game and brings it to real life needs to go to an asylum.
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
thats why its important that people can differentiate between blowing apart pixels and blowing apart real people
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
I agree and some people kinda miss the point in arguing that playing these games has a direct and inverse proportion to the amount of crime rate...which is not. More of the condition of the person who actually plays it that is the problem.....
MS pilot
and ppl are ok with games where u kill other people? isn't murder also something that is illegal and an act not to be promoted or simulated? just my 2 cents
Film Student
http://twitter.com/Zetsubou_Robert
I believe if anything these kind of games prevent actual crimes from happening, if you allow a potential Rapist to fulfil said actions virtually they have an outlet for it and it prevents them from doing these horrible things in real life. The same argument can be said for many other violent games.
While personally I'd steer clear from the rape genre (I prefer more classy/cute eroge), I'm sure many other normal non-criminal people like myself would play this and not be tempted to go out and rape someone, just in the same way they would not shoot themselves in the head after playing Persona.
NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/
i have to agree with you there
im no psychologist, but channeling a persons 'habits' into another direction is much better than removing a safer alternative to IRL
Yes, the argument could be said you are 'breeding' rapists and such, but i think it can be assumed that most of these depraved people who actually engage in playing this type of genre are probably hikki and would rarely even want to leave their place. Let along actually going out there and raping someone.
I can see this news article becoming a major s#!+storm in dc.com - Danny, you might want to monitor this one closely. It's going to get real bumpy, real fast
Geotechnical Engineer
It already has.
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
Hmm...if that's true, then all car thieves will be satisfied after playing GTA? Maybe I should stick a copy of GTA on my car's door, must work better than an alarm system.
Otaku
are you guys kidding me!? This is nothing like GTA! yes, that game involves murder and prostitution, but this games sole purpose it to stalk and rape women. That is the most messed up thing I have ever heard!! This game is seriously upsetting to me. Anyone who would play this, or create this is insane and would likely commit rape as they are obviously stimulated by the images. I mean come on - tears in the girls eyes? Sounds of screaming and crying and saying no? How could anyone not feel sick to there stomach with this game? Amazon should seriously remove this game from they're site. DESPICABLE!
UT Student - Linguistics
Then you obviously have little understanding of the eroge industry. Every erogy has girls in tears and always start off saying no. Rape is a standard thing, that has been become a cliche. I mean come on, they have little girls getting raped by demonic tentacles, and girls with a penis doing other girls. It's no surprise really to see a game like this.
UT Student - Linguistics
I just read what you wrote after Danny. I just wanted to say I'm sorry for never taking your feelings into consideration. I never meant to offend you, I just wanted to explain why this kind of game would actually sell in Japan.
Otaku
and do you really think that rapists should have ANY outlets!? They're F-ing rapists!!! Their only outlets should be goddamn psychologists
Film Student
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Would you rather they had no outlets and raped people? Because I sure as hell wouldn't want them to rape people.
Otaku
And thirdly, in Persona they don't use guns, they use evokers which have nothing to do with killing yourself (obviously, since they do it repeatedly).
As my last 2 cents, I would hope that anyone who plays, or supports this game gets raped, and then we'll see how their opinion changes.
BioResearch Assistant
I understand your sentiment but that last comment was very uncalled for and should be removed. Never should a person wish such evil against another.
You should learn to control your emotions on such subjects you find very sensitive or easily become passionate about to prevent from saying such things in the future.
Geotechnical Engineer
Agreed. Its wiser to be careful despite one's good intentions.
CEO MIrai Inc
http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/
This thread ends here.
Otaku
For you information I was raped when I was 14 walking home from school. I have every right to be emotional and passionate about this issue, and I take the utmost extreme offense to this game. Sorry Danny for not ending this thread here.
Otaku
But I should have been more tactful, and for that I am sorry
Student
http://www.joesblog.jp
Keith Vaz is such a willy, hate him.
not that I'm defending this game
Geotechnical Engineer
Amazon is in trouble no doubt. Despite the game's nature, consumers should be responsible for ensuring that they don't do silly things thanks to the influence any product holds. Its sickening seeing people blame companies for "legal" products when they fully know the likely consequences of utilizing the product.
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
http://meimi132.wordpress.com/
Already disappeared off the site lol. I went looking after I saw this news lol.
Geotechnical Engineer
? So soon? I guess we can expect stock prices dropping the next day?
Actor, Moviemaker and Blogger.
http://sitedofonseca.blogspot.com
Like many people already wrote here, the main issue is that it's O.K. to kill in all human (and anhuman) ways in videogames. As well as stealing, assalting, hiting, doing every crime possible. Is it so chocking a game like Rapelay? Or is it the same kind of thing that happened with Carmaggeddon?
http://www.marvinryan.com
hmm... good point, you got me thinking there.
http://darkdam.deviantart.com/
well you posted what I wanted to post, raping is the only thing that's missing from GTA and that games sold everywhere.
http://shadowascendant.wordpress.com/
Personally, I'm always more aware and careful of people with over-moralistic intentions since they seem to be the ones more willing to break everything they stand for. Fiction is fiction, whether its in the form of a game or book. As long as you can make a clear distinction between both you're perfecly sane. The ones making a fuss over a fictional game are the ones who need real help. To even suggest that crap like this could influence otherwise innocent people into doing such things is clearly insulting the human race. Psychological issues don't simply pop up from playing a game.
I'd say but then I'd have to kill you :D
Ayaya... is all I can say @_@;
http://www.marvinryan.com
imo, playing eroge is just the same as watching pr0n, if you think pr0n should be legal for people over 18 then eroge should be as well. however in this case it's like watching raep pr0n, so I guess if one would thing raep on pr0n should be banned then so this eroge should be treated the same.
btw lol on the sweating mushroom on the second video.
Physical Therapist
http://www.flyingpussyfoot.com
Woah...I didnt even know such a game existed...The only question is if the game is really as bad as the media wants to tell us.
Did Amazon itself sell the eroge or one of the amazon sellers?I guess its the last one and the newspaper didnt do its homework and blamed it on Amazon
Eroge Players dangerous? Nah! Sure there are some maniacs from time to time but games didnt make them to those.They just have a tendency to like those aswell.99% of the eroge enthusiats wont do anything
NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/
but it is that 1% that governments love to flip out on
College Student/Web Designer
In my opinion, the game is bad as most Hentai out there. I think Illusion has actually made more offending games before.
dannychoo.com の読者
hey i have this game!
*yikes* *cough* *ahem*
downloaded it sometime ago out of curiosity
but seriously its isnt that terrible as if it would corrupt one's mind to follow the acts in the game. hey i am not a rap|st. see..! i guess ppl just want to lay blame
and there is a some-considered-good-ending, where the character that *ahem* the girls will get killed for all his sins...something similar like school days
Student, Musician, PHP
http://www.tojikomori.com.ar
school days ending was friking lol omg!
student
I guess those politicians are unable to solve the really important matters, thus they had to use this flash grenade so their voters won't notice how incompetent they are. O_o
???Confused???
I think that a fair number of eroge have this sort of plot in them, so it's not surprising...in the end it's the same as shooting games or games that has killing as the norm, it's just pure fiction...how it affects the person I can't say, but better something like this be fantasy than it being reality...
Otaku, Animation Major
http://xlhaseolx.deviantart.com/
A game like this is kinda messed up. That's my opinion anyways.
What I'm wondering is what kind of impact this is going to have on eroge and its players. Not all eroge are like this and it's gonna create a lot of stereotypes about the players. I was hoping some popular ero games would eventually be translated and put up for sale but with this incident I can't see that happening any time soon.
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
There are far worse things out there than this. I mean, there were mods for Knights of the Old Republic where you could have Bastilla naked and your male PC could have a giant schlong, so every time you walked up to her you were banging her in the ass, and nobody complained about that.
Is the game tasteless? Yes. But then, so are games like Manhunt. And the outcry over those disappeared after only a few months. This will blow over too.
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
Coming back a few hours later, I see that my comment is poorly worded. Allow a bit of elaboration:
Point 1 - Having surfed the Internet for more years than some folks here have been alive, I have seen much worse than this game in existence. Anyone here who spent any time on the old Usenet groups have seen what I have seen. It's not pretty. (We're talking Goatse levels of bad here.)
Point 2 - Larger, far more accessible games have had horrid content in them. The aforementioned KotOR mod, along with others. No, I do not own many of the games that can be modded, but I do own the KotOR series, and was disappointed that these mods were on a Lucasarts-supported mod site (They have since been removed, but it's easy to find at least the nude Bastilla and Mission mods. Though, why you would want to ogle a naked Twillek teenager with an attitude is beyond me.
Point 3 - This game is, let's face it, a bad idea. Should someone lose a job over this? Possibly. But if there is a market, people will make stuff for it.
Point 4 - The blow over is the furor over Amazon (Or one of its resellers) carrying this game. It will pass. And, perhaps, someone will think before trying this again.
College student
The first game is actually Artificial Girl 3 (another Illusion game) modded to include the Rapelay characters. Err, not that I know anything about these games... >_>
Momoist
http://www.paranda.net
I wonder if the MP actually namedropped Rapelay specifically. If so Illusion can just enjoy the free publicity.
College Student/Web Designer
I don't think they will get much money from it. I don't know of any westerners who actually OWN the game. Pretty much just go on Hongfire, torrent it and translate it.
大学生
http://justaskeikaku.net23.net
LOL Rapelay being sold in english! This is one eroge I didn't go for XD
Well I think whether eroge are harmless or not depends on what you play... After all alot eroge fall into the visual novel category, with some ecchi content thrown in. There are quite a few eroge that would be perfectly great (Fate/Stay Night for example) without any ero content at all! For me, eroge must have nice art and a good story. Nakige (crying games - think Kanon, Clannad, all that kind of Key stuff) are great I reckon. They have great stories, which is why they can survive the conversion from eroge into anime (with ero taken out).
RPG-based eroge are great too (Utawarerumono, Tears to Tiara, Sengoku Rance, Seinarukana). They would be perfectly fine games without the ero as well. The ero is just like an incentive >=D or a bonus. Then again there are also alot of yaruge and dark games (chikan, hypnosis, blackmail), which I try not to touch to often. Though I do get a few if I really like the character design though. Yaruges can be good for health care purposes but thats about it. Lack of any kind of intelligible storyline puts me off. I can't take too much dark stuff either. S&M, guro and stuff like that puts me off.. Haven't had any time to for eroge lately T__T
Student, Musician, PHP
http://www.tojikomori.com.ar
Wow. I didn't know that was something new; I thought japanese would have these kinds of things before, I mean, the most strange, weird, sexually-oriented gross games and gadgets I've seen are from Japan.
It doesn't impress me, in fact I'm curious :P At least, it have way better graphics than The Sims 2, they could use its technology!
Despite the common conservative-religious-US-accepted-huge-sects-"ish" opinion, I don't see any moral or ethic problem on these games. To say, what's the difference between hardcore eroge and Manhunt, GTA, and all these hard violent games out there. I remember all the fuss with Duke Nukem...
There's no difference to me between extreme gore violent games and the yellowish news channels, or between hard gore sexual explicit games and the chicks farandula rumorous TV shows casted in the afternoon, or with the VERY sexual explicit porn-stories-or-content-in-your-cellphone SMS TV ads aired every 20 mins on all channels.
My side in the it boost-or-lows criminal rate dilema, I say it quenches the perverts we all got in our heads, and satisfy at some degree the imagination that could lead to a real crime.
It was funny the mushroom thingy up there, why is that? I've seen other sites were they're clearly referring to their goldmembers with a mushroom photo. It is a slang or something?
Student artist
http://www.requestview.wordpress.com
People with their non sense... Its just like saying shooting games makes kid more violent
http://www.marvinryan.com
I agree about the shooting games, kids have been playing cowboys or cops and robbers way before the first video game was ever made.
pervert
"However...when people play these things, they can interact. They can shoot people; they can kill people. As the honourable Gentleman said, they can rape women."
they wont let this game sell but they let gran theft auto sell
Thanks, UK MPs. I'm going to buy me some Rapelay next.
Seriously, this is not any worse than Grand Theft Auto and a thousand other shoot-em-up games that encourage violence.
College Freshmen
Doesn't seem to look that fun either way. I look forward to a future where video games and anime and things like that are ingrained enough into our culture that politicians will stop picking on those things. I mean don't they have anything better to do?
Sushi chef, and will be student.
The first clip is actually Artificial Girl 3.
Geek Liaison
http://www.thegeekreview.com
The First vid IS NOT from the game it is a mod of Artificial Girl 3.
College Student/Web Designer
Geez, didn't this game come out like 4 years ago or something?
The game play sucks and the graphics aren't even that good :/
God, if the UK got hold of Hako (new Illusion game where you are a giant having sex with fruit that turns into lolis) they might have to start selling apples in black bags.
student...still
better than watching gay porn i always say!
not that i watch gay porn though...
Student
http://web.mit.edu/anime/www/index.shtml
Considering that almost all serial murderers were once porn addicts.... >.>;
College student, Mech programmer and striving photographer.
http://moeforme.blogspot.com
Lol. I think its true that everyone who knows about porn has at least seen it once in their lifetime.
Student / Sneakerhead & Otaku
Hmmmm, I have to say no on this one.
College student, Mech programmer and striving photographer.
http://moeforme.blogspot.com
From my point of view, this is just like every other eroge out there =/ I see rape being illustrated in hentai all the time, so should hentai be banned? I know rape is very offensive to some people and its true this game sucks but you have to understand that this is what eroge companies make. Sure its a silly game where you go after defenseless women but that won't stop them from making yet another game as silly as this one. If I dislike something I just move on to something else...
College Student
I actually played this game a long time ago and enjoyed. But since its an eroge, a fictitious game with 3D anime characters, I find the realism of rape is far removed to be considered close to actual rape. The game is similar to Hako, Sexy Beach and Schoolmate with its menu options rather than GTA free roam and the article makes the game more appealing than it is. "A freeform mode" is nothing more than being in the menu screen and selecting locale, the girl and the number of people involved ie "get other male game characters to join the attacks." After choosing the desired options, the game jumps right into simulation sex.
Honestly, Japan makes lots of hentai and pornography based on rape and its become a norm. I've seen a lot of hentai based on the premise of rape and OMG I hate it when people presume I am or will be a pedophile or rapist! Its like people are judging me before I do the crime. It's like a Canadian border officer taking away my loli manga because they don't want me to be a pedophile. If this were true then why does Japan have one of the lowest crime rates in the world with the highest abundance of sexual fetishes ever.
When you look at pictures of real sex offenders, do they look like the type that are into anime and or hentai? To me they look more like white washed westerners without a clue as to what anime or hentai is.
NO moe character in this game >_<
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
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I'll admit I was a bit disturbed when I first found out that yes, I can now simulate preying after woman on a train. That was my initial reaction.
But that's really because I'd never even heard of it before. I've heard of games where you bed the characters, and I've heard of games where you shoot and kill and mutilate. Now I've heard of a rape game. Next time the impact won't be nearly the same. The truth is, sad as it sounds, we get desensitized pretty easily in this age of free information.
Would I play it? Not if the game was just "go out and harass whichever girl you see in the game". But from what I understand this game has simply three characters you're allowed to interact with. That's hardly the same - it's like playing GTA and being told you can only shoot the one guy they choose for you. In terms of mayhem it's on a completely different scale. And it's obvious that these girls learn to enjoy it.
Does that make it pleasant? No. Does it make it fair to women? No.
But think about it in a more Japanese context - one that I'm assuming, and is likely flawed, but bear with me. The Japanese are far more open with $ex and the like than Western societies. That's why they have lolis and tentacles and game shows of old men sliding over lotioned women.
In contrast, we in the Western world are more comfortable and desensitized with violence than the Japanese are. Which is why we produce games like GTA and Manhunt.
In that sense, our deviancies have led to GTA, and the Japanese have had theirs lead to Rapelay. Taking into account the cultural differences, in terms of mayhem, people affected, and twistedness, can we really say that Rapelay is any worse than what we're already so used to?
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
I agree. From reading some of the comments, it seems like some people here are *okay* with carjacking, murder, killing law enforcement, prostitution, and beating the crap out of innocent people. Those kinds of act seem to be *socially acceptable* now. This game (in terms of the crime committed in real life) is no worse then the acts in GTA. But we have become so desensitized by the media that these criminal acts (the ones we see everyday) are okay, but rape itself is not.
Both games are tasteless, but why is one more acceptable than the other? Think about the acts in GTA and compare it to Rapelay. Would you rather be the victim of a carjacking, murder, or manslaughter than being raped? I obviously don't want to be involved with any.
If your answer is "Well, GTA is just a game, it's just for fun. It's fun to walk around and steal some cars, kill a couple cops, etc, etc." then friend, Rapelay is just a game too. It could also be (like litokid said) the meaning of *fun* to the Japanese culture.
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
http://www.vimeo.com/longhim
Reread a bit of the article again, and I'm just going to correct my own point about the three characters. Apparently freeform mode *does* let you roam around attacking whoever you choose. That just raised the wrongness level a notch for me, but I feel my other points regarding desensitizing and different deviancies still stand.
大がくせい
Free mode is just that you can get it own with the girls without needing to go through the story mod and allow some more, like setting you're in and such. You're still limited to the 3 character. Beside 1 victim or more doesn't change much imo. And it not any worst then any other violent game out there.
Oh, and if you were to listen and believe all those moralist bull shit I'd be a walking disaster, murderer and serial rapist....Yay for been a Death/Black Metal fan + like anime + playing violent video game + playing to D&D. Yeah, in fact I'll just go out now and kill some one and rape a baby.....that was sarcasm btw if you didn't get.....
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
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Man, this whole free mode/girls thing is confusing. ^^;
Com. Sci. Student
rapelay has a drama side too just play it and you will know ^^
Student
http://web.mit.edu/anime/www/index.shtml
After being in policy debate for so long, one of the greatest arguments that I've used and won multiple rounds with is that rape is worse than death.
I don't want to reply to anyone specifically, because I am not trying to offend anyone on this matter. Yes, you can say that the people who play this won't become rapists, but the concept of this game is morally wrong in general. Don't, please don't say that Japan's morals are different from other nations'. You expect to go to Japan and buy all the rape games you want and not be looked down upon? You've got to be kidding me.
You think that letting people virtually rape innocent girls is actually going to prevent them from raping real girls? You've got to be kidding me.
You think that rape has become so common in video games that just one more game is nothing? One drop in the bucket makes a great difference.
Yes, it's fine to wax your dolphin and keep your health alive, but getting pleasure out of a rape scenario is horrific. Rape is worse than death and I bet if you ever get a girlfriend (with a working brain) who finds out that you've played a rape ero-game, you will fail at life.
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
While I cannot debate the merits of rape being worse than death, I would like to talk about a few other things.
-Yes, the game is morally wrong. Sadly, as long as there is a demographic that will buy these games, they will continue to be produced. And the people who buy them may not care that they are looked down upon. Japan does have a somewhat different moral base than many other Westernized countries, but they still have some restrictions. Unfortunately, this game was produced there and allowed by their laws.
-No, I do not plan on going to Japan and buying these games. I would not buy them if they were offered in the US.
-There have been studies that have shown that using an outlet like this can allow otherwise heinous people to not commit crimes. However, I do not have any specific studies to point to at the moment. And someone else pointed out that the buyer of this game is probably someone who would have these fantasies but are far too frightened to follow through. Most rapists will just go out and do it, save the money from not buying the game for a better knife/gun/etc.
-I do agree that every drop in the bucket makes a large difference (How can I not, as a scientist. One drop of a material into something else can cause a massive reaction.) I also suspect that this bucket is pretty small. There is something to be said about a freedom of speech/expression argument here, but IIRC, Japan does not have that in the same way the US does.
As for the last point, I will not debate that either. Someone else can.
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
I agree with all your points. The only real reason that I see rape as being worse than death itself is the fact that once you're dead, you don't have to think about death itself (you can't think about it anyway ^^;). You won't be tormented by the thoughts.
Not objecting to your point, but it depends on how you die. If it was a quick and clean death, I can see it as being better than rape. I'm sure there are lots of way to go that's equal to (if not worse) than being raped. The moments leading up to death can be the longest moments of your life.
Just repeating that I do get your point, rape is worse because it stays with you until the day you die.
Benevolent dictator of a Banana Republic
Reminds me of a joke I heard from a fellow (rather disturbing): "It's not rape if they are dead!". I cringed.
Benevolent dictator of a Banana Republic
Agreed!
I don't think these games really turn people into would-be rapists but the thing, whether virtual or not, yields the same mental reaction and inner drive. If you want to rape a girl, it's not about doing it virtually or in reality, it's already done in your mind. Obviously in reality you would be ruining a girl, and virtually it means messing some initialized class object on memory.
university film student | ecchikid | the Archivist
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Not going to argue on the Rape > Death (or is it Rape < Death?) point. People say that there are fates worse than death and rape's pretty high up on that list.
I wasn't intending to say that rape is acceptable anywhere - or even more acceptable in one place over another. Both violence and rape have dire consequences - as they should - in all civilized parts of the world.
What I meant, however, was that the degree of shock - in the sense of how horrified someone would be at hearing of a certain type of incident - is different. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong - no idea. That kind of assertion needs evidence.
I think the major problem here is that there's a real disconnect with real life. A lot of people who have "gotten used" to the rape scenario have done so through its common presence in h-movies or eroge. It's even more of a staple (how I wince at that term) than the oh-so-prevalent-tentacles. The problem is that these scenarios almost always have the victim moaning and screaming for more halfway through.
Most people will be able to recognize that difference, and not even have the desire to do the real thing because it won't BE the same thing. Nothing's idiot proof though, so I'm sure some fool might be influenced to try his hand at the real thing, thinking he can bend the victim to his will.
And then I'm sure there's the couple of sick sadistic people who recognize fully that their victims won't enjoy it. Doubt they'd play a game in which the victim does, in that case.
(Can I just add a side note? I was seriously intimidated when wondering whether to respond with this post. I've always known this, but righteous feminine fury is scary. ><)
Freelance Illustrator
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Seriously, I can't see why rape is still debated like this especially since the one factual truth on this matter is that NOONE alive knows whether death or rape is better.
Professional Panhandler
http://theinfernoproject.com
Like I said above, the only reason I see in this is that dead people don't have to be tormented by the thought of dying, while rape victims are tormented by the thoughts of the incident until the day they are dead.
But how you die is really the key for comparison here. If you die a slow and painful death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouXIn8VWdk ...just saw this on Discovery last night, might be disturbing to some) I don't see it as being any better than being raped.
It's all in the mind. Death is the symbol of *the end* in ones life, but that journey to *the end* could be really long, and painful. I doubt anyone will say that being tortured to death is better than being raped. Watch that youtube before you start replying to my comment, it is only one of twenty death machines featured in the show, some of the others are worse.
Engineering and Sales
I still find Sexy Beach 3 to be the best from Illusion. :)
It's a game, granted it's quite lewd and f*^%$d up but it's a game. I don't find the premises of the game attractive at all, but it causes no harm, nor does GTA, or Kop Killer 5.
Network Engineer
http://www.fanimejapan.com/news
I think the difference between games like GTA and Rapelay is the plot.. now I'm not saying that GTA's plot can't just be to go around killing people and stealing cars, but for anyone that's played GTA the main plot revolves around a story about the main character trying make it in the world going about all the wrong ways (Killing, the Mob, Stealing Cars etc.) Now we have a game like Rapelay which I've never played but from the looks of it and from what I've read it seems like the main goal of the entire game is just to rape woman, and it dosen't beat around the bush like was brought out before where there could be monsters or demonic tentacles but the second it became a person or person's I think that's what rubbed the public the wrong way?
Well that's my opinion anyway lol ^^
Professional Panhandler
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So having objectives make the game more socially acceptable? I don't see it that way. By what you're saying, Rapelay would be okay if we add a plot (lets say the main character trying to make it big in the crime world) and some objectives to it (like giving him the abiliby to sell drugs to these girls)? This would make it more in line with what GTA is, wouldn't it?
Consultant
http://www.justin.tv/denshaotoko
I remember reading about this game a year ago. Illusion has a very wide selection of hentai games and they are all pretty out there. I think personally a game like this won't breed rapist, more so it will bring in curious people to play the game, nothing more.
Student
http://miri.textcube.com/
Yar... I'll say no to these kinds of simulations. If it's a visual novel, then I'll let it go.
FREETER
I think people who judge based on what games people play
are stupid and Ignorant. Like for instance i play alot of
monster hunter.
But just because I like smashing things win my giant mace
(wooo gun-hammers represent!) I'm not going to go pick up
hammer and try to beat up some animals or something..
I know UK is really touchy with their concept of "indecency",
And things like this get all the yuppie church ladies in a huff,
so maybe it's not something you should see on UK amazon.
Lover of Akiba!
http://vincentosshrine.com/
I'm a gamer, but don't want to play this "game"... Its not funny...
student
http://www.gunpla-inochi.com
I find Grand Theft Auto to be a lot more dangerous than this. While this game IS morally wrong and all that, only teens and adults would buy it... and definitely not for their kids. On the other hand, you have parents buying their five year old angel Grand Theft Auto where they learn that stealing cars, dealing drugs, and blowing up lives is totally cool! uh huh... I support neither of these games. I think they are both wrong and atrocious (and so are the people who gets enjoyment out of it). While eroge players are harmless for the most part, there will be those who are demented enough to use what they learned in games and test it out in real life. That cannot be overlooked. The common saying "it's only a game!" doesn't apply anymore.
Multimedia Designer/Developer
http://www.mcmonagle-interphase.com/
If you can separate the reality of such horrible events from the absurdity of their eroge depictions, I believe you can enjoy this game.
I do not enjoy the concept of forcibly taking a young a girl, and my dolphin much prefers the pleasureful mews of my loving girlfriend to the cries of pain that would accompany such a heinous act, yet I would very much like to play this game.
I don't believe any sane, law-abiding person would pursue the act of rape after playing this game. Likewise, I don't believe that preventing the sale of this game to any person inclined to commit a sexual offense would prevent that person from committing said offense.
Any person who takes offense to this game simply need not play it. This game should not be withheld from sensible, law-abiding adults with a firm grasp of fantasy and reality.
Multimedia Designer/Developer
http://www.mcmonagle-interphase.com/
I'm also surprised that everyone keeps saying Grand Theft Auto, but no one has mentioned Postal 2 yet. In Postal 2 you could break into a person's home, tazer them until they curl up into a ball and urinate themselves, douse them in gasoline, light them on fire, and then urinate on their corpse to put out the flames.
It was pretty twisted. More-so than this eroge game, I'd say.
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
The problem with mentioning Postal 2 is that it was not a world-wide release. I believe that Russia, China and a few others never got the game legally. But I could be wrong on that.
The mentioning of the GTA series is that A) It is a hit game, selling well over half a billion copies, B) There have been sequels, records, and other related items, and C) more people think that violence is fine, as long as there are no titties or swear words attached.
Network Engineer
http://www.fanimejapan.com/news
Wow lol that is twisted, these game developers need a hug or something. XD
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
I think more of a repeated strings of slaps with a frozen trout. Because you really don't forget something like that.
萌え命
Yeah, I'm not really sure how you can sleep at night making and selling games like that....
Producer
It should be made clear that the game was offered for sale by Amazon USA, not Amazon UK.
This means the game was not rated by the British Board of Film Classification and could not legally have been supplied to a UK customer.
The Belfast Telegraph story is therefore a storm in a teacup. If they want to get worked up about naughtiness, there are many other examples to be found in the world, which are not available in the UK and are irrelevant to UK people.
Student and full-time otaku
Eesh, that's bad. Still, I hope this doesn't lead to a huge debate on eroges alltogether, as events like these tend to do....
university student
has anyone accually bought this game?.....graphics are great,although idont quite like the reaping part of it
Student
exellent, if wonder if i'm gonna buy it !
college student
http://otakuartist.wordpress.com/
well, now we know why japan's crime rate is so low >.< LMAO
university student
http://comica23.deviantart.com
What's more important isn't censoring the game itself, but to make people understand what's morally right or wrong through education. We can deny, censor everything we brand as wrong or ugly, but whether we want it or not, these things still exist, so what's more determining isn't the existence of these stuffs itself, but how much morality a person has.
We can hide all the ugliness that exists in this world from our children, but personally I think that we could let them know about it and teach them to think why these things are wrong instead.
Wanderer of the Mist
http://hangmen13.16ops.com/
LOL BRITAIN AND MORAL PANIC
With or without these 'dangerous raep simulators', that still didn't stop a 13 year old boy from becoming a shota-dad.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2233878.ece
Also, the land of the rising sun where the nastiest rape fictions and loli mangos are legal happens to have one of the lowest raep cases in the world.
Well I see that this news item has spawned quite a list of responses. But i don't know why!! A large majority of us here are huge fans of Japan, so i would have thought this kind of thing would be old news to the community, but based on the responses, i would say i was wrong.
Here is how i see it: We have movies that have depicted these acts for DECADES. Are there folks complaining about those? (1,000 of them ya know) We have novelists who have written a large range of material involving just about every act imaginable, from killing and stealing, to rape and terrorism. Yet, books don't get this kind of attention. We have games that are terribly violent, involve prostitutes, murder, drug deals, and gangs! Now those don't seem to cause much uproar for the most part....so why complain about this. How about being satisfied with not buying and leave it at that.
It feels like freedom of speech to me. You can make any product you like assuming it meets the criteria of the country you live in. Not to mention all the fighting that has gone on in our country's Congress to allow artists and others to say what they want and make what they want. If we take that away, we are beginning a journey into a dark area. If someone enjoys this, then let them.
So while the British officials whine and complain, I can most likely buy some rape based porn movies from websites in their own country!! Why isn't there a holy crusade against that stuff!
People need to lighten up me and not get so worked up over stuff like this. Oh and I would have to disagree that if you own this as a guy, and your GF see it that she will dump you. That's just assuming all woman would feel like the commenter does, and that is just wrong. I've been around many different groups of people in my short time, and I know many of the girls wouldn't be offended by this at all.
But if there is something to complain about, chances are someone will take up the torch and open their mouth.
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
cause there is a reason why kids dont read....and anything violent/pronographic things just dont end up sitting well with them ;) movies and anything visual doesnt need an explanation cause you dont have to "think" all of the point of it so seeing and reading is different ^^;;
Programmer Trainee
http://jointsareokay.blogspot.com
I just want to play this for the curiosity.
I guess I'm sick that way, but I'm mentally sane...so I think I'll be okay
Student
slow to comment but, consider more than just the game here in isolation. as well as why the producers intended it for only Japan. u can find many things worse so do not consider this as a 1 off thing
Ninja / Engineer / Sensei / 魔法少女 (What!?! I can't be, I'm a guy...)
It was only a matter of time before Amazon got on the Eroge train. I wonder when everyone else will do it.
Dance Trooper: DCX-001 O.D.E. (Order of the Dancing Empire)
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hardcore eroge players wont be harmless...........
Policy & Research Officer
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Oh I played this game before. When I played this game, I was thinking what kind of sick people play such game.
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
http://aki7.bottled-wish.info
Ok, I'll comment on a proper one... and I hope DC readers will take time to reconsider it
I am speaking as a woman and not as a feminist just to clarify. The problem with the game mainly lies in its premise (while i tend to find it rather amusing to see that it does not look like rape) and rape is quite a sensitive issue with some women. Cause 1)some women find it a violation of their self even if they are sexually active and 2)the argument that it will not translate into real life does not necessarily follow to be true. It MAY be able to deter *normal* people (and I stress normal in all sense) but to some people who cannot differentiate reality from virtual, the game may be potentially harmful not only to the user but to those who may be hurt.
I think we should look carefully and see the proper argument with this: that the greater danger of a genre like this lies in the fact that not all people are sane as most of us and there lies the problem. Not so much on morals on our side but more on consequences.
So yes, I admit I like the graphics (they are amazing for something 3d!) and hands down to the makers. I just hope they can actually find more creative stories because that'll actually raise eroge to a new niche rather than pulling the genre down for many of its decent fans :D
cheers!
Student
http://ochuki.blogspot.com/
I don't get it?? Don't they sell porn too, isn't it the same. Just because it depict a little more than what they are used to watch, doesn't mean it's an out-of-this-world thing.
still, can't blame them for trying to protect their moral. But eroge is one of the reason why their crime rate is low.
Student, Performer
http://kesenaitsumi89.wordpress.com/
Still the same : a game is a game....
They are Red Alert 3 out there and why don't you ban it because it will cause war?? ban gundam to prevent developer to develope some gundam which will create deadly laser....
Otaku
It's only a game. If a gruesome interactive game e.g. Gears of War, isn't that simulating a war environment to kill your enemies? Should that be allowed? Oh No! The kids are killing everyone! HELP!
Seriously, it's just a game. *clears throat and change my voice* "Why SO SERIOUS!?"
UK has the highest under age pregnancy in Europe, introducing Eroge is too late to stop the corrupted. More like they started crime without even knowing the existance of Eroge. I like to see how they are going to explain that fact.
It's not as if the game was made for kids. Rape is bad, I agree to the degree of physical rape. If it's an Eroge or Hentai, it only exists on the screen. Who ever says that it would affect one's mind, I personally think that they have a weak mind unable to distinguish reality and fantasy.
No humans are perfect but we can understand.
*Change to Joker's voice again* "Let's put a smile on that FACE!"
Writer
http://www.darkbolt.com
Lots of different opinions and thoughts here, just tohught I'd add mine...
I don't think anyone still knows if these sorts of games encourage bad behavior or give a harmless "outlet" for it. I play plenty of shooters, and sure don't want to go out and shoot people for real, and some people say the games are therapeutic. But I question how therapeutic it would be to pretend to rape someone...
As for Japan having a lower crime rate and whatnot, I agree that it's mostly a cultural thing. However, every once in a while I see something that makes me think things aren't as peaceful there as they let on, and that a lot of stuff just gets covered up or ignored. Take the whole groping-on-subways thing. Women are in a pretty bad situation if they're not careful. Plus, Japan has a very high rate of teen pregnancy and STDs (mostly because sex education is not considered polite or acceptable, so they just don't do it).
Then there's the whole objectification of women thing. Even if this game is "just a game," it's still, in some way, implying "rape is OK" (just like GTA implies stealing cars is OK, although in that game you do have to contend with the police...). And yeah, Parliament saying "Ack, how can we sell a game that features a criminal act like rape?" while games that feature criminal acts like murder, theft, etc., are allowed...
I wonder how the seiyuu feel doing the voicework for games like these...
Anyway, just my random thoughts. I'm all for freedom of speech, freedom of press, expression, art, whatever... but I have no interest in the game.
^_^
Student at a school somewhere
http://pixiebee.deviantart.com/
Do not want
Actor, Moviemaker and Blogger.
http://sitedofonseca.blogspot.com
I think that everyone will agree that before this game existed, rapes have been commited. And that before any games exists, all kinds of crimes have been commited. And I'm talking about the whole human history here.
Do you really think that these games will make more people commit these crimes?
I live in Brazil, a country that has far grater violence problems that Japan, USA or Europe. And around here the main crime issues are related with lack of education and social inequality. Most of the time, commited by people who haven't even played a videogame in their lives.
Like many pointed here, I believe that blaming this kind of game is false moralism and an attempt to find a simple and unique responsible for far more complex and long existing issues.
WebProgrammer
http://www.AnimeArena.net
this game is not diferent from others eroges.
Rapelay or other title is always the same plot. lol
at least you can buy the original!!
rapelay is not my type but the diference of virtual and the REAL is opposite.
student
http://coolanime-music.blogspot.com/
yeah i already play it but .... it's in japanese T.T (the option)
IT Product Analyst
http://alienkun.blogspot.com
Boing boing! n__n
Student/Gamer/Blogger/Otaku
http://runaroundkazu.blogspot.com/
Talking about whether eroge players are dangerous is just like talking about people who are really into shooting games and stuff like Grand Theft Auto. The questions are, will they go out and do the things from the game? Some have, some don't.
However, morally, I couldn't involve myself in a game like that. I think it's terrible that something like that exists and is so easily accessible.
>.>
~HK
-1
http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/
Its...only...a...game... (an ADULT one at that).
same argument and debate that goes with blaming violent behavior/ sex crimes on any new art or media form. cheap cop-out if you ask me
Student
http://rose-engine.org
Interesting.
I have to say, I have played the game and I still haven't felt to urge to rape anyone, just as I have played lots of games that involved the realistic simulation of killing people with a various selection of guns and melee weapons, and still haven't killed anyone.
It is rated 18+ for a reason, after all. If people can sell and buy games involving the illegal act of killing, why is this prohibited then? Of course, the gameplay idea of raping a anime character may seem tasteless for most people, but so is killing a photo realistic person with a paper cutter, a machine gun, a chainsaw, or a crowbar (Some of you people should recognize the games these weapons appear in), just because it is sex this time, it's forbidden. I think today's world is overly prude when it comes to sex, but very lax when it comes to violence.
I find that much more disturbing than I playing RapeLay.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/
I was a bit late in getting around to seeing much of this game, so I only got around to downloading it last night.
Pretty impressive considering it's a 2006 eroge with 3DCG visuals, I would've expected it to look quite a bit worse in visual quality than it did.
I liked it, and one of the 3 torrents that pop up at Tokyotosho under "Rapelay" still works, even though it's a 2006 torrent, if anyone else was interested!
Supreme Commander of NERV Co.
Note the hand getting closer ^^
Corporate Attorney, Part-time Musician, and Otaku Extraordinaire
Eh? Why can't I vote?
Corporate Attorney, Part-time Musician, and Otaku Extraordinaire
No, wait, fixed.
Student
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Moral Crusaders: Banning things to feel good about themselves.
WHoaaa.. rape ^^ thx sir danny ^^ BookMarked ^^
Designer
http://www.edenfantasys.com/
So, Amazon UK Sells Eroge, and why not? Eroge can't cause harm to people... It's all about one word : censorship.
P.S. Somewhere I've found that Amazon Baned Lolicon and Fetish Manga. It's a pity ;(
Among the evergrowing ranks of unemployed
I must honestly admit this would not be my choice of game. That being said, I think it's wrong to interfere in someone else's right to play such a game. My belief is that each person is responsible for their own actions. That a person who is predisposed to wrong doing, will do so regardless of environment, television, books, movies, or games. A criminal could probably get it into their head to do something wrong by watching "Tellatubbies"(which I personally think is a harmless kids show). In addition it never ceases to amaze me how some political demagogue will scapegoat someone or something. When they could be tending to something truely important like fixing a failing economy, etc., etc. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the game. Just the right of someone to choose said game. Whoa.....Don't know where all that came from......Hope I wasn't to long winded. Did seem to turn into a rant. Sorry. ^^;
student
Just like any other video game that has extreme violence and gore(That has the player killing poeple). The player ( You and ME) hopefully understands that the actions taking playing a video game can not to be done in real life.
OF course rape in bad.
student
I meant rape is bad (lost concentration).