Prostitution in Japan
A father aged 47 was sentenced to 8 years in jail and asked to pay a fine of 100,000 yen for forcing his 3rd year junior high school daughter (aged about 15) into prostitution.
He would say things to her such as "Go and sell your body and bring back the money."
If you was the judge, how would you handle this case? 8 years and 100,000 yen sounds like he was let off lightly for ruining a young girls life.
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haha..whoa...
and you thought America was bad.
i feel sorry for the girl. i bet the father was a drunk and a loser.
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same here same here
Girls who still have to do more who are being forced by such parent/s is unforgivable!
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probably a gambler too, gambled everything alway
Student
Well, in whichever country in the world, there ought to be senseless peoples. The only problem is the amount and their degree of craziness.
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Well at least in America its never the parent. we arent THAT bad. In the US its mostly the girls boyfriend.
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I think the guy should have gotten life in prison or the death penalty!
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I would have given his 30 years in jail, he would be dead by the end of his sentence
sentences to death for him !!!!!!0_o
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Eight years is rather low, but I can bet you that in Australia (where I live) he would have got half that and no monetary fine at all.
It was completely wrong what he did, but it's about the same term a rapist would get here.
I'd like to know more details of this story. Where is the rest of the family? What were their living conditions like?
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Well that Sux!!! that Punishement wasnt enough for the father ...Tsk tsk
Student
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That is really sad. It's like Sonya from Crime and Punishment... T___T;
a guy who cares (sort of...)
I think that Sonya's situation was a bit more complicated and the times were different...
Student
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Yeah but she was forced into doing something that's considered evil no matter the time period.. but technically she's a good person.. but she still has to repent for her sin. ;_; Poor girl.
Motivational Speaker
I'd say life, he ruined her life so his should be just as miserable!
I think his fine should be more like 2,000,000 yen. 8 years does seem a bit short, but then he did ruin a girls life. So life in jail, does seem more appropriate for his sentence.
Pianist
You meant ¥20,000,000.
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That all depends, did she actually sell herself? Was she forced just mentally or physically? Did she really have no other options available to her?
Prostitution is also legal in Japan, right? So it's actually a matter of being underage if she did it on her own will.
My answer would be not enough information to make a decision.
I tend to not believe media coverage as 100% truth, they usually tend to bend the truth to make the story more interesting, even at the cost of others.
If all the guy did was shout "Go and sell your body and bring back the money." a lot, and nothing actually happened... that's just mental child abuse.
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I completely agree, though I think this sentence is actually a bit too much based on the information given but only because much worse crimes are committed all of the time and people get a lot less for them. For example someone said above that the 8 years sentence is about the same amount of time given to a rapist from where they are from. Either way, still not enough information.
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i agree with you about missing the facts here. whether or not she was actually abused (which they probably wouldn't divulge, since she's a minor or some crap like that) is uncertain.
still telling your daughter to wh0re herself out makes you a certefiable danger to society
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And jailing the father for a long period of time is not for the best either. If the father is the family's source of income, it means cutting their income off. And seeing the father wanted her daughter to bring some money home, it could very well mean their family is in a bad shape financially.
These kinda sensitive cases should be handled carefully. Slapping a huge jailterm isn't gonna solve anything in the long run afterall...
I think a program designed to find the causes of the problems would be far more useful. Psychological analysis, some group sessions with the two of them. I think the medai coverage alone will be enough to ruin the man's reputation forever, and embarrass the girl even more, so both will suffer on that end.
I must agree with the above commenter's, on a lack of info to make any kind of fair judgment. If he was psychologically coercing her and she did it, then that would be different if he beat her up and forced her to join some yakuza brothel house or something like that. Also how long it went on, and many other factors would be important to consider. But i still feel most crimes should be resolved in a psychological way. Rather than creating laws to temporarily mend a problem the society doesn't fully understand. More treatment, less prison time is the answer we need for the future, unless we continually move towards a prison state like here in the US.
Mr. High Res
Life-long torture.
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I just don't understand why do parents treat their children this way. I mean, can't they work for themselves instead of doing silly and hideous things like this?
Lifetime in jail, in my opinion!
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Don't send him to jail... more like send him to mental asylum... What a crackpot?!
There's no need to place any number of fine to him, just strip him of anything that he own... and use it for the recovery of his daughter.... Poor girl... that's all i can say...
流浪人
Based on the above, and the info in the news story, the jail term sounds suitable...the monetary penalty is light, though...
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At least add 2 more zeroes on the fine methinks.
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Let's try a life-time jail term for selling his child's body.
Death penalty would be too good for this man.
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Pretty much agree. You can go overboard with prison sentences. Also agree he should have been given more of a monetary penalty.
Still, I wonder what kind of individual would force his own flesh and blood to sell her body. What a scumbag.
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Student
According to the Japanese article, it was her father-in-law.
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I wouldve given him life term and thats being nice of me.
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student
waste of tax payers money to send him to jail. I leaning on death... even though I know it's wrong.
Pianist
Death penalty legal fees are higher than keeping him in prison for the rest of his life.
student
gah! there's always a catch..
Student
I think his sentence is fine as long as the girl is taken from his custody forever, or at least for a long time. Even then, by the time he gets out, the girl will be 23. Hopefully, she'll be self sufficient by then.
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Shame on all you death penalty people. No single person on this planet has the right to decide whether or not another person should live or not. Only that person him/herself can decide that.
Rather than lowering yourself to this man's level and killing him or locking him up for the rest of his life, send him into therapy, which is what we really should be doing with most of the so-called criminals. There's a reason they act the way they do, and it's not because they were born this way (with a few exceptions of course).
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true what you said Henduluin but people like to watch/hear violent things/news unfortunately. which is why crime, executions, trials and armed conflict keeps the presses rolling. it's in our nature to seek blood literally or vicariously. it's been going on as early as the dawn of our "civilization". we just don't like to admit it =P
I'm not saying kill the guy or anything though. (hell i didn't even vote)
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Actually, it isn't. If it *was* in our blood (and this ties in with the whole religious myth we are born in sin btw) then how do you explain for example all the people who immediately jump into a river or sea when they see a young child drown? Sometimes even when they themselves cannot swim properly...
Violence of any kind is learned behaviour. Just take a good look around you, it's absolutely everywhere, even in the programs on tv that are supposedly aimed at children. Even something as seemingly as innocent as Tom & Jerry is filled with violence and any sane person would never let young kids watch it.
The moment we as a society decide to stop flooding our children's minds with violence or other negative imagery, most crimes would vanish within a single generation.
流浪人
Off topic from the article, but I have an issue with the Tom & Jerry comment. In the United States, Tom & Jerry (and Looney Tunes) have been removed from most stations (exceptions in most areas are select cable channels). In their place, we've brought in cartoons that have either toned down or completely removed violence from their programming. However, crimes committed by youths has risen in our country.
Quite frankly, there has never been a verified, scientific, direct correlation between cartoon violence and real life violence. And, I never met kids growing up in the '70s and '80s who desired to drop an anvil on my head after watching Wiley Coyote, or hit me with a garden rake after seeing Tom & Jerry.
Plenty of perfectly sane parents let their kids watch these shows. Most of us grew up to be perfectly normal people. And I doubt those that became criminals will point to Bugs Bunny as their first example of how to be violent.
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We grew up to be perfectly normal people... who are greatly desensitized to violence. We see people hitting each other and think nothing of it, hell, the world's most popular sports involve violence.
Am I really the only person who thinks this at the very least is somewhat odd? Beating each other to a pulp is seen as a good thing and sometimes even encouraged, but loving physical contact (such as a friendly hug) is seen as distasteful or even downright offensive to some, and that's without even mentioning the huge issues we have with something as normal as nudity.
I seriously think we have things backwards...
流浪人
You may be desensitized to violence, but I'm not. I abhor senseless violence (and outside of boxing or martial arts, I've never heard of "beating each other to a pulp" as a good thing).
My point in the above post, though, is that you can't pin the violence within society on children's programming such as Tom & Jerry. Heck, even more violent children's fare doesn't lead to violence.
The reason I bring this up is many of the posters here are part of the anime fan community. Many of the the anime shows from Japan do little to cover up violence, and in the past, even took it to extremes.
Yet, even with this type of children's programming, Japan retains one of the lowest violent crime rates of any industrialized country. And Japan has experienced a similar effect to the United States--decreased violence in children's programming over the years, yet increased rate of crime.
Hence, there's no direct correlation between children's programs and violence.
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I'd say the fact that soldiers are seen as heroes by most is enough proof that violence is being promoted as a good thing.
But meh, I know my views aren't exactly main-stream and I don't want to turn this into a heated debate. Sorry for having brought it up <3
流浪人
^_^
Just one more point (I'm enjoying the discussion).
Opinions of soldiers and the military typically are higher during times of peace than during times of war. People like us more when no one is getting killed. When conflict breaks out, so do the protesters at home.
Student/Evil Overlord
Peace talks and dialogues of non-violence mean jacks**t when a bullet starts flying over your head. Soldiers are commended as heroes not because they kill, but because they are the first in line to defend everything his/her respective country stands for. Most people wouldn't take a bullet for anyone they don't know, but soldiers will even if they don't even see or meet you. You can have your own opinion about violence (of which I also disagree but that's not what I'm getting at), but to make soldiers an example of human society's supposed "glorification" of violence is somehow a slap in the face to the people who gave up their lives so that you can enjoy the freedom of speech you're practicing now. Give them a break and appreciate them for at least that.
my 2 cents.
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As being a Marine myself, I was happy i didn't have to go in to combat, but knew that i might have to when i joined up. I honor the people that have try and those that have died for our freedom. And especially those who jump on a grenade or rush a machine gun nest not for there contry, but for the guy on each side of him/her. Heroes are differnt from person to person, you don't call veterans heroes, and that is fine. Freedom to do what you want, when you want was earned with blood, Unfortunatly. I abhore violence but know its nessesary sometimes. People know the differance between stuff seen on tv and real life, and it takes good parents to teach them the differances. Don't look at TV as an excuse, look at the parents that sit there kids in front of the tv and not care what happens.
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I think the monetary fine is ridiculous. After all that money has probably been earned by the girl herself =_=
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I hope that scumbag of a father go sell his butthole for his daughter's future expenses! Disgusting!
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something is going to happen to his butthole... soon...
???Confused???
He better pray that he don't drop that bar of soap...
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lol xD agreed ^^
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Sweet mother of japanese corn~!
I really don't understand as to why certain families tend to look at the easy way out of gaining money by using family members to gain income.
I say long term imprisonment. The girl had to experience something that she;ll remember for the rest of her life.
8 years won't suffice that kind of scar.
Your local Otaku Cashier.
I know the economy is pretty bad, but that's going a bit overboard. Though he doesn't really deserve the death sentence, I think jail will fit him just fine.
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Death penalty for the judge!
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He's the only one working for an organism supporting that horrible death penalty, after all :p
Student
Did he really have her do anything or was he just saying those things to her? I mean it's messed up either way but from the short excerpt it sounds like he's getting jail time for just suggesting it... I'd read the original article but I can't read Japanese ^^"
流浪人
Reading the story, here's some points for clarification for everyone:
The step-father was sentenced to 7 years and 100,000 yen (the prosecution had asked for 8 years and 100,000 yen).
The mother was sentenced to 3.5 years and 100,000 yen for conspiracy.
The prostitution of the girl occurred from May 2007 to March 2008.
Prostitution at home occurred from April 2007 to March 2008.
This means that there was prostitution already occurring at the home a month before the girl got involved (although if it was from the mother, father, or some third party is not reported).
The article doesn't state how Child Welfare Services found out about the prostitution or the mental state of the girl (e.g., was she forced or complicit).
While the actions of the step-father and mother were despicable, given the amount of information released in the story, the jail time sentences are reasonable.
And while this may have very well been very traumatic for the girl (don't know, though, given the story), saying that it's "ruined her life" is a little dramatic. Not to sound callous, but she's 15. She's got a lot of years left. Yes, this will impact her life. Ruin it, though, is a huge stretch. With counseling and support, she can still lead a rich, happy, healthy life.
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depends.. know a woman that is really screwed up in her morals and life decisions.. and she just had a bad father.. nothing like this though.
if not complicete i hope she gets over it.. some never do.. Parents need to understand that they have such a huge effect in there childs lives, especially divorce and other things the kids blame themselves for. too manny stories like this around though.. these kind of parents should be severly punished.
流浪人
Granted, but I know a lot of women (and some men) who were sexually abused as children and have gone on to lead wonderful adult lives.
Hence, jumping to the conclusion that this girl's life is ruined is taking things a little far. Additionally, it's not something the girl ever needs to hear. She should be hearing the exact opposite--that life from here out will be better, and that she has a lot of opportunities.
The article didnt really say the birthday of the girl so i assume she now in 2009 is 15 years old.
May 2007, nearly 2 years ago which mean she were 13 years old, doesnt that mean the step father and mother convicted as child sex abuser ? I'm pretty sure in many country (sry, i not sure about Japan legal system) child sex abuse = life imprisonment or capital punishment.
流浪人
Of course, even if she was 13, you run into the problem that Japan's age of consent is 13 (with consent of the parents, as well).
So, like you, I'm uncertain of what other countries charge for child sex abuse, but in Japan it would become a much more complicated issue... >.<
流浪人
Also, the article said she was third year, middle school, at the time (9th grade). So, you're looking at around 15 or 16, then, and 17 or 18, now.
BTW, this remind me to ep 1 and 2 of shigofumi .
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tenrou said: "And while this may have very well been very traumatic for the girl (don't know, though, given the story), saying that it's "ruined her life" is a little dramatic. Not to sound callous, but she's 15. She's got a lot of years left. Yes, this will impact her life. Ruin it, though, is a huge stretch. With counseling and support, she can still lead a rich, happy, healthy life."
Sexual Abuse or Sexual Assault DOES affect the victim for life. Don't belittle someone's emotional and psychological distress just because she's young, or if at 15 she may have been "sexually aware".
I was assaulted at the age of 16 and again at 18 and let me tell you, at the age of 38 it still haunts me most days.
Just because someone has a basically happy and normal life later, doesn't mean they are not scarred by events many years in the past. What assault victims show outwardly isn't always what is happening inwardly.
流浪人
I didn't belittle it. In fact, as you quoted from me, above, I said, "Yes, this will impact her life." But, it doesn't mean her life is "ruined."
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You still say you dont think her life is ruined.
I can tell you that huge parts of her life are and will be forever.
Sorry if I sounded rude, or angry. I am rather angry that anyone would think she wouldn't be "ruined" - she will feel ruined, she will have difficulty all her life forming normal relationships and trust will be next to impossible - probably forever.
流浪人
Let me clarify to see if this helps:
I think this has affected her, and most likely will for the rest of her life.
However, "ruin" is an extremely strong word. One of its meanings is "complete and utter destruction." To apply that to someone's life means that there's no hope left.
I don't believe that. While you're correct that she may very well have trouble forming relationships for the rest of her life, there's still hope there for a better life.
Hence, I've objected to the words "ruined her life" for that reason.
I'm picky on nomenclature because part of my job requires me to analyze what other people say. Media and politics use word choices to influence people all the time. So, I'm sorry if I offended you with that, but that's where I'm coming from.
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You didn't offend me, simply the comment you made seemed to make her suffering less than what I know it will be.
but you have clarified it now with this comment, and I understand now that you are not trying to make it less than what it is.
I tend to try not to get offended or ever take anything personally :)
流浪人
I try not to offend folks. Glad we could clear this up. ^^
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Personally, I would have added 3-5 more years onto his sentence without parole and brought up the fine to at least $50,000 USD.
The mother, for conspiracy, about 4-5yrs on $30,000 USD fine with possible chance of parole.
Both of them would have permanent restraining orders placed on them, no contact with their daughter whatsoever.
Then have Child Welfare Services take care of the girl to get her own her feet. Send her living with an agent, relatives (after investigation), friends, or foster family. Counseling and therapy most likely added. She's at the age, right about now, to be entering college. Public financial backing and the fines from the parents would pay for her college tuition and living expenses, etc...
I would also have an investigation go after every person who payed and/or participated in the delinquency of the girl. Fine and jail time for abuse and prostitution.
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The above opinion on sentencing is after I quieted myself down. Anyone who forces a girl to do anything she doesn't want to and/or abuses them...I would personally have them placed in solitary confinement for the better of years totaling up to them reaching 100. So for the 48yr old "father" I would have him sentenced for 52 years in addition to a hefty fine and a permanent restraining order.
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In the US, 90% of teh time, people get out early, for varying stupid reasons. Does that happen in Japan? Cause 8 years in the US is likely to be 5-6 (with a few years of being monitored) maybe less..
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or house arrest because there to beutiful to go to jail.. after sleeping with her students.. forget her name though.. Famous for awhile here in Tampa... crying shame what people do to childern.
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damned.. what the hell... how a dad can do that with her own daughter???
just a monster not a humain, die men die...
流浪人
Step-father...most likely didn't care because it wasn't his own daughter...
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i'll say life with no possibility of parole. to quote a blogger:- there's no hope for the human race -_-
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well now he can sell his body in prison. ^^;
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lol... knowing you guy's culture... I thought most of you will say you will be the customer instead? =X
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I'm normally hard to offend, but if you had said that to my face, I'd give you one hell of a punch for that.
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life sentence without patrol.
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no patrol? what if he escapes? sorry, couldn't resist XD
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Put him in jail until the jail rots. That's just messed up. Even a desperate father shouldn't be so pathetic as to use his have his own daughter sell her body for money...
Student
Definately a life sentence, seriously that guy has something wrong with his head who would ever put there duaghter or any child in that situation that is disturbing.
College Freshmen
Horrible parent. The dad deserves something worse than that.
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Death penalty is a little too much
Lifetime in prison I guess would be JUST
Nekophilia
Long term jail! That mother of hers... -_-
cleck
WTF!!!!!!!!! That guy is scum, he should have gotten the death penalty. A father should never do that.RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
流浪人
Looking over the comments, here's somethings for folks to consider:
If you give him the death penalty, the step-father's problems end the moment he dies. The girl lives on with the memories. Where's the justice in that?
If you give him life in prison, then he gets free room and board for the rest of his life at the tax payers' expense. Sure, his freedom will be gone, but many people get used to prison life. I've worked with quite a few ex-cons who missed life in prison because it was easier to deal with than society and its rules on the outside.
If you give him several years, he spends time in prison and then gets out. He'll have been out of the workforce, so whatever skills he had (if any) will atrophy. He's got a prison record for child abuse charges, so most companies won't want to hire him, anyway. He'll be 54, jobless, and single. The most he can hope for is a low-paying job or multiple part-time jobs just to make ends meet. And there's not many women looking for middle-aged, penniless men, so chances of remarrying or dating are slim. His life will be in the gutter. While not ideal, that's a pretty good dosage of justice to me...
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i dunno man...
some of people DO need a lower human being near them, its human nature to looking down on each other, and looking up on each other
i'll give you an example
this girl the danny news mention, will there be a guy who will accept her after what she've done/through? i think its a yes.
for me, i do pity her, that is if i was good looking (or at least decent) and have good incomes
as for this guy? he may have a kind boss that pity him and actually accept him just as other employee
everything is not an absolute, sheet happens, so do the fortune
流浪人
But the chances of a boss pitying him and accepting him are slim. Bosses have to think about how their hires will reflect upon their company. If news breaks out that you're hiring convicted child abusers, chances are your business will drop. No boss wants that.
You're right that it's not an absolute, but it's probably the most likely outcome.
Student and full-time otaku
Damn, that's bad. 8 years I guess is something, but I'd given him way longer, plus a way higher fine.
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i would make the father prostitute (gigolo-lize) himself
and hopefully seek better welfare for the girl, maybe her mother could help or something
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he should have gotten more for completely ruining her life. Thats so sick.
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I don't know how are prisons in Japan, but in france, people who have deal with kids (prostitution, pedophilia, etc) don't spend a funny time in jail.. ("hey, my soap drop on the floor, bend over and bring it me back..." I let you imagine what happen...)
Then, I don't know if 8 years is a lot or not, but when someone do something like that, I guess they don't have any love (I mean parent love) for their kids and I think that point is unacceptable.
Student
it suck !
Injured
Her mother actually allowed the child prostitution to happen and got a jail sentence too. The girl is now without a family and could end up even worse now with where she is put. Sounds like it was mutual on an idea to get money into the house. Her own mother allowed it, the guy is the step-dad and that does make him an ultra scum as others have already noted, but the mother is a scum bag too.
I can see different communities having harder ways of existence and different traditions, but in a society that is supposed to be acceptable, this girl did not ever have a chance to have a young happy life. At least the law stopped this one, how many more children are out there still having to go through what the young step-daughter just did all around the world? Is this 1 saved 900,000 to go?
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While I'm not really happy with how the situation was resolved (similar concerns as Rusting above), I think this sort of sentence is a plus for Japan.
Over here in Germany, you could rape four children for that sentence, jailtime wise, if you're lucky. (Ignoring, of course, that you'd get stronger punishments for being a repeat offender.)
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bad dad,
he need to be jailed for 15 years!
for the sake of his 15 years old daughter
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I bet they weren't in the best of financial shape, no one makes their daughter become a prostitute "just because". Probably explains why the fine is so small as well. Jail time isn't going to help their situation either. It has to be done, sure. But it's not really the solution either.
student...still
if i was the judge.... i'd give him life sentence... then wack him with my hammer! then maybe "take care" of the poor girl XD imma sick basturd
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I agree with the punishment given.
In indoc, they tell all the sailors that Japan prisons are no joke. They are served fish heads and rice for meals, beaten if they do not speak Japanese, and are in VERY cold small jail cells.
Trust me, 8 years of that and this guy is REALLY going to regret what he did.
Student
That stinks..........
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That's just wrong! He deserves to be put in jail for a VERY long time. And maybe then he will understand what he put his daughter through, when he becomes sombody's 'bitch'
NEET
Pay a fine of 200Mil yen and do community service as a 'gigolo' for the rest of his life.... All the money would go to her daughter.
Disc Jockey, Storeman, Computer Tech, Misc.
im not gonna be judgemental, sure it was pretty low for a father to do that to a daughter, but we really dont know what kinda situation led to those events, kids these days tend to get very rebellious and in this hard economical times also its entirely possible for those kind of tensions to build up, the father gets angry at his disrespectful daughter, yells at her.. go sell your body and bring me back the money"... then of course we dont know how long she put up with it, or if she went of straight away and told on him. his mistake in the end tho. i suppose i should read the news story but i cant be bothered lol.
now days we have to be very careful in everything we say or do, in the past it was acceptable to punish a child as you saw fit, now days with protection laws and everything else going on, if you even raise your voice against a child it can be seen as abuse, let alone smacking them, sure people can go overboard, and in those cases i think the deserve punishment themselves. but the reactions we take, putting them in jail, often ends up making them worse. but theres not much we can do, its human nature.
流浪人
News story Cliff Notes:
He prostituted the step-daughter from their house for nearly a year. The mother was in on it, too.
student / NEET
i don't know about japan
but in my middle school, most of my girl classmate are following elitism & consumerism (clothes, cellphone, random Boyfriend, and other we don't know why they like it)
there's a chance that this girl actually ask money to his family to follow her preferred group in her school, but knowing this, her family yell at her to sold her body instead if she wants it
14 - 15 old girl sounds very delicate & rebellious to me
she might just did it on her own whim, then got traumatized after she did it
then she report to authority it was her parents that TOLD her to do it
TOLD her, as in do it if she want, but they don't support it, its her choice
anyway... since i haven't read the actual article, i'm going to ask this
what's her father job anyway? drunk NEET?
code weaver
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Elitism & consumerism... Hmm... With time, all those 'things' will come to pass.
Travel often, meet interesting people, learn to dance and always use sunscreen.
That is my 0.02 worth ^_^
student / NEET
k, i've heard this type of things happen in my country and others
so what's the justice for the daughter?
foster parents?
child welfare orphan?
orphan?
i've heard things like this in every part of the world, the problem is, i never see an ending of this problem (both good, bad, or neutral)
流浪人
Considering she's of legal age to live on her own in Japan, she'll most likely be made an independent with some kind of state support program. Just a guess, mind you...
Otaku / Student in Networking
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Poor that girl. Her father deserve to be punish in the hard way
Secondary School Student
http://j-singstar.blogspot.com
I've heard a lot of cases like these, so not really surprised or anything. Like they say, desperate times call for desperate measure. The father probably has his reasons.
And I voted for long term jail cause, I don't think anyone deserves to be sentenced a death penalty. Except for psycho maniac killers whose screws are all loose.
Perv
I never could be a judge since my jugment logic is far more twisted then most people (for example, sinking slowly into a tank of acid as punishment) but that's just me ^^'
Now, about the subject, I think that this was a light punishment, but I tend to stop myself from commenting such things too much, cause I don't know the details of the case and in this case I agree with varutieru. Sure the girl was harmed that way and I feel pity for her, but I also don't see a light in the tunnel for her. Now, depending on which one of theose three will happen, different things will occur. I think that the best would be foster parents. Of course, another trauma cause of the big change, but it's possible that later she'll get used to everything and will be able to live a normal life. That is, if the foster parents will be alright.
Programmer Trainee
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Am glad he was arrested!
I hope the girl gets a lot of support and stuff
pervert
if i was the judge then he must be very unlucky because i'm a fan of death sentences and executions.keeping people in jail is a waste of money
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thats very sad news... hope the girl get her life back to normal again. and for her father, a long sentence for her in the jail!!
EX-NSF / NS-Men / Certis Cisco Protection Officer
If I was a Judge, I will sentence the Man into prison for Life, to make him suffer I will also give him 10 strokes of Cane per month (in Singapore we Cane Criminals with Thin Metal Canes dipped into Alcohol) so he wont be able to Sit & Sleep properly.
conscript
10 strokes per month? a few months down the road and he may not have much of a butt left to be caned.. and where did you get the information that the canes are made of metal? lol..
code weaver
http://thejimdandy.com
Metal because the bamboo one do not last the distance.
I've read a few years back that the bamboo ones used in Malaysia are swung more like a baseball bat than a whip due to the weight (like the metal one, several are strung together and also dipped in alcohol). The 'prisoner' usually has to be revived by a medical crew after ever two or three strokes.
Limousine Driver
As a parent your supposed to raise your children to be honest, intelligent, hard working members of society. Children, (especially girls) look to their parents for guidance and protection. This is both a gift and a responsibility. No mercy should be shown to this man at all.
Other .. castration.
code weaver
http://thejimdandy.com
You should be in law school! ;)
Young Grasshopper
http://miragestrike.blogspot.com
I feel bad for the daughter to be forced to do something at such a young age...
I thought the sentence for the step-father is befitting seeing that he's 47- any more years and you might as well give him a life sentence.
I am appalled at seeing people the choose death penalty!! Oh my, we are hardly a civilized world yet. Mistakes happen all the time, and to put forth such a judgment without properly understanding all sides of the case is frightening. You can't condemn this man's life after reading 3 sentences in an article. No one should hold another life in their hands. It is a lack of understanding that brings this about. Not to mention religion, but that's a rant for another day me thinks.
And no I'm not suggesting we pay to keep these people in prison, the US runs our prison system like a business. I'm proposing what i said above, which is a solution rather than a "a way to deal with a problem we can't fathom". Let's mend the problem and bring these two people back together. Not isolate them from each other, bombard it all over the media to further ruin their lives, and leave them to fend for themselves in a world clearly full of misunderstandings everywhere we look.
But most seem to think it is easier to murder a man, than to pick apart his brain and help him and us understand his actions. Not only would it be much cheaper, but it would saving lives, rather than ending and destroying them like the justice system does.
Student
A terrible father:(
University Student
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I agree that it lacks some info. But for me, the father deserves a long sentence in jail.
Dj
Yeah, that guy is a jerk and he deserves worst punishment. I hope the girl never really got to disgrace herself by "selling her body", otherwise she should in trouble too, I mean, a 15 year old girl oughtta know what she's doing and the consequences of it, it's Japan man!, the highest rate in education.
VP
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What a creep.
Student, Uncle & hopfully a good husband..
Wonder why such a sentence?...
Student Otaku (ITM Student) and ACG NA Staff
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What kind of father is that...
I say lifetime in jail with at least 1000000 yen or more...
Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
http://gndynames.wordpress.com
I think if so the fine would be pointless
Customer Service
Lock him inside and throw away the keys.
CEO MIrai Inc
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Discussion got a bit heated in places but glad to see no arguments - only one troll who got nuked silly. Poor chap. Lets send him over to http://www.dannychoo.com/adp/eng/1615/Toyosu+Photo+Walk.html
Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
http://xspblog.com
LOL Danny, while I do understand the purpose of the link, Toyosu looks a place too good to send him for a walk. xD
Auto Mechanic
To everyone out there, this sort of thing(children or teenagers are forced or willing to sell their body by parent or boy friend) are happening everyday all around the world. If you think 15 years old girl selling her body is sad, then you don't know about little kids below the age of 10 selling their body to adult tourists in places such as Thailand, Philipine, India and many more. Every happy family are the same and every sad family got a different sad story behind it and I don't know the story behind this family. About the fine, you can ask for any amount you want but can you get it is another thing.I don't think the father got 100,000 Yen or even got any money at all just like in some court cases, the judge sentenced the criminals 300 years in jail for committing some serious crime, but can they live that long? What you want and what you get are two totally different things.
Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
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I'd say long term. But seriously though, nothing can be done to reclaim what the girl lost.
Student
http://yellowguy89.blogspot.com/
This guy doesnt need jail time. He needs parent counseling...
Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
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While I don't think we have enough info to really judge the case, if it is what it looks like, long term sentence, for shure.
This is not just bad parenting... we also have to consider crimes such as child abuse, moral damages, physical damages, exploiting child prostitution among other crimes.
The guy probably ruined the girl's life with that, and judging on what he made her do, her childhood probably wasn't good too.
He's also setting a very bad example to society, and I don't think a short term sentence would make him realize that.
But I'd really love if there could be alternative ways of handling such situations... like making him go and sell his butthole to pay the fine.
Did all he say was to go do it? Or did she actually engage in any of the activities. If she engaged, the fine seems somewhat low, especially from all the money that could have been made.
As for jail, it seems a bit debatable. Again, if she actually engaged in any activity or not. But that's a decent amount of jail time, depending on how you think about it.. The father could be mentally unstable and having crazy financial problems. People get desperate.
Like another user said, counseling might have been better. It really depends on the details of the situation. (yea I didn't read the article assuming it explained it lol)
But if he was some sick twisted man who was greedy and just wants money, then that punishment was definitely not enough.
BioResearch Assistant
Tenrou posted details:
http://www.dannychoo.com/detail/mac/eng/image/14176/Prostitution+in+Japan.html#comment477170
Basically from this it can be inferred it was forced.
"The father could be mentally unstable and having crazy financial problems. People get desperate."
If mental instability was an issue then he deserves to be placed in a psychiatric ward for a number of years. Of course, he would lose custody over his child due to not being capable of caring for her anymore.
As far as crazy financial problems go, it doesn't matter as that is not justifiable grounds - not even morally or in any way reasonable - to prostitute your own 15-yr old daughter to make ends meat. Desperation isn't a key to get off the hook for one's crimes. I've heard of too many trials where defense tried to play the pity key to get a criminal - who doesn't care as long as they avoid major time - off the hook. There's a very fine line, and in some individual cases can have moral grounding, however...in cases like this...who cares if you even have a gun to your head, a father should protect the sanctity and security of their child to the end. Nothing, absolutely nothing, should make a father comprise that. Absolutely nothing.
Student
Death sentence may be too harsh, but long term imprisonment is what a horrible man like this needs.
Student, Artist
Depending on how Parole works in Japan (or if he even qualified for it) at least the girl will be old enough to have moved away and possibly changed her name. I know those are big deals over there, but that's just wrong of him to do. Personally, I'd do a fine, long term imprisonment, and probably counseling afterwords. I wouldn't DARE let him see the girl again.
Grocery Store Clerk
I think that long term inprisonment would be appriote. Depending on how amny times she was in intercourse and how bab it was.
Student
Man, I sure as hell would like to know just what is it about old dudes like this one who can't get a job. I think he should've gotten 12 years and a 200,000 yen fine in my opinion.
Scientist, unemployed.
http://fmphoenixhawk.livejournal.com
Well, with the data we've been given, he should get about 10-12 years, the mother 5-6 years and the fine should be a lot more. We're talking around $150,000 USD (The standard fine for most multiple child-porn charges.) Even with good behavior, and getting out in 6 years, that would put them on the sex offenders list. I'm not sure about all of the US, in Michigan that would really limit where they could live. (I think it's not within 2 miles of a school or other child-care place, they would have to notify all of their neighbors that they are on the list and couldn't interact with children at all.)
Sadly, I suspect he'll be out in a few years, the mother in a year or two, and they'll get back any other kids they have. More info on all of the details (Like several others have said) would make the difference.
Of course, if I had my way, both parents would be in prison for 20 years at hard labor, with daily beatings.
Core Analyst
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Sometimes you just can't 'fix' the judicial system. This is just another case of a flawed verdict in which most of us who know what is right and wrong know this is a 100% 'wrong'. I just hope that they are able to figure that out themselves that now they have some time to think about it. I wish the best of luck to the girl though, hopefully she can recover from this.
Mechanical Engineering student
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After reading the article and the many comments posted, I say that 7 years and a 100,000 yen fine is too light. I vote for death sentence. Same goes for the girl's mother.
I don't want this man to be free after 7 years, of be free for that matter. Sure he will have a crappy life after he's free but that won't stop him from committing crimes similar in nature. Hell, his situation would give him another reason to commit a crime. After that he'll be in jail again! I'm don't want to leave it to chance and get another innocent victim be involved. Kill him now. His death will show people that if you do the same thing, you're dead.
These people do not deserve to be shown any mercy, for they didn't show any mercy towards their victims.
Student
vote "other" = force the father into selling his own body instead =)
thousand master II, Internet Learner, Auto didacta
http://pipopaz.wordpress.com/
really sad story. Maybe if the fines were higher this could be different.
Benevolent dictator of a Banana Republic
This is wrong in several ways, damn. I'm not sure she would miss such a 'father figure' if he got on death row.
Kokoro Kotonoha's personal trainer
http://loli1983.wordpress.com
First of all, the father is really......well i can't use foul language but you know.
When me and my mother see rapists get caught on TV during the news, she always suggest that the rapist (most of the time they are males) should deserve getting his thingy cut off. Unfortunately in America such punishment doesn't exist. This punishment would also apply to guys like this.
Here in California it wouldn't matter how many years in jail this guy would get. His real punishment starts once he hits prison where fellow inmates will give him a beating, and possibly kill him in prison. Inmates in California prisons have their limits too you know. Once the inmates find out you were involved in a crime that involved minors, you got something coming. And believe me, inmates, especially the shot callers, will find out and know the whole 411 on any new inmates that enter prison.
Benevolent dictator of a Banana Republic
True that.
Student
http://konadora.wordpress.com
Death sentence. Call me harsh, but I think that's the only way to deter any further such cases from occurring. 8 years, 100,000 yen (which I think is around SGD2000?) is kind of stupid. You'll probably get that much punishment for smoking in public places in Singapore. (which also explains why Singapore has a very low crime rate)
Unix Sys Admin & College Lecturer
http://colorado-otaku.blogspot.com
The father should have been locked up with the key thrown away ! The girl will be mentally damaged for life especially in the area of future relationships and eventual marriage.
Supreme Commander of NERV Co.
It's your own daughter..the fathers a fail
studying comp studies, planning to look for part time job
http://bruneian-otaku.blogspot.com
I feel so sorry for the girl, she might be in trauma because of her father's words
Wannabe artist
http://jinademaru.deviantart.com/
People like that guy should have been castrated before they could even make a baby.
But then that's just prejudice, how can anybody say people would turn out like that in the first place. Unless there was a system like that in Minority Report.
Anyhow, the girl is her daughter and being the father it should be him who's providing for her not the other way around.
IT Expert / System, Network, Security Administrator
http://www.digitalanime.com.br
Well, this won't solve the case. Who will give $$ to her for living? Where is her mother? This story has too few details.
IT Expert / System, Network, Security Administrator
http://www.digitalanime.com.br
No wonder it was a stepfather (not the father), and he got 8 years in jain AND fined for 10,000,000 yen !
Not 100,000 yen !
Please Danny, next time re-check those news.
IT Expert / System, Network, Security Administrator
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I mean jail (not jain) wish I could edit my msg above
Full Time Student, Part Time Anime Lover, Half Time Lurker
http://hiro307.blogspot.com
It evil to force our own daughter to do thing like that...
Pity her...her own father destroy her future
none
http://www.livelyday.com
in many countries the father would have walk away
and the daughter were back on the street
It's economy related problems
the ones who should rotted in jail are the men who had touch her
EE Student
This makes no sense. How can he just get away with just 8 years and a fine? He deserves more.
College Student
send him to prison where he's going get rape by mens
Designer
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I wouldn't let this man having children anymore. Castration and removing from the parents custody!
90's F1 Afficionate and Anti-Otaku
http://www.livestream.com/f1action
I'm going for "penalité de la mort"
The only sentence for the entire planet for every type of crime
90's F1 Afficionate and Anti-Otaku
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Therefore, i'm in favour that the National Police Force, as well with the Tokyo Metro Police must be completely militarised, and Akihabara might be the target for THIS!
Student
I would have gave him life in prison and 50 Mil yen for his daughter....
Interaction design, Iphone game/app designer
I know it is popular to yell death sentence for every possible crime but I think that is going over the top. There are millions of girls who go willingly into prostitution for whatever reason they may have.
Although what he did was bad and he had a bad influence on his daughter I think death penalty is a notch too crazy.
What kind of sentence would you give to rapists and killers then?
流浪人
It doesn't matter whether he's Korean or not. The fact is a crime was committed against a child.
The story mentions nothing about the step-father being Korean, so please do not suppose in this case.
流浪人
「日本の悪口を書いてるだけだろ。」
上のコメントに日本の悪口は一つもないんだ。。。
流浪人
日本はどんな国と同じく良い点と悪い点があるんだろう？ このブログはその全てを書く。
http://yuuwaku.wordpress.com
thought i'd take this moment to practice me some japanese... sorry if it sucks lol
好きか嫌いかこれでもニュースだろう？ それにこの記事元に現れたところは日本のサイトじゃない。 世界中のどこでもこんな事もあるんだ、日本だけではないよ。 ただこのブログは大分日本中心のだから日本の事についてを書く。 このブログの読者はそんなに甘くはない(と思うが...)
ところでこの前自分のコメントにも韓国人か中国人がきっと犯罪者のことも言っただろ(or something like that)？ あれでも人の悪口じゃない？ このブログは大勢の人が読んでるからそんな言い出すのも駄目じゃない？
hope that turned out ok. Can't read all the stuff you posted in your statistics, but I can still tell what they are lol. Even if you are speaking statistically, maybe it's not a good idea to say "this person must be _____", since there are all sorts of people here too. Somebody might get offended just as you are about the article! You might not like it, but this is still news somewhere. What we can do is discuss and share our feelings about it, but let's not exchange any angry words here (or anything that might lead to it). We're all friends here and everybody is welcome.
What is important is that
The article didn't report her step-father's and mother's name.
The recent japanese newspaper publisher tend to hide criminal's name if the criminals are korean or chinese.
I think It is unfair to hide their name Despite they have committed crime like rape.
流浪人
This article (and the previous article http://tinyurl.com/79md94 )doesn't mention the step-father or mother's names or nationalities. You are jumping to the conclusion that they are not Japanese, and trying to pin the blame on another nationality with zero basis relating to facts within the story.
Hence, what you are pointing out is not important, here, and borders on racist.
Please desist.
http://yuuwaku.wordpress.com
Also, if you read some of the comments, you'll find that many people share the same feeling towards the guy that made his step-daughter do this, so if you feel the same way, you're not alone.
流浪人
You said it much more thoroughly and eloquently than I did... ^_^