Hourly Wage in Japan

Mon 2008/03/17 04:25 JST
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850 yen - the starting hourly wage being offered to folks who join Mc Donald's as a part timer.

I've never worked in Mc Dee's myself but I did spend much of my university life working part time at a Japanese restaurant called Benihana back in the UK. The hourly wage was about 3 pounds at the time - my first paycheck was depressing ^^;

Worked at another Japanese restaurant in Bond Street for a bit before I managed to get a part time job with Japan Airlines at the airport as ground staff - the hourly wage was 10 pounds which was quite good at the time. Always wanted to work at the airport after watching a BBC documentary on the airport - seemed exciting. Was exciting at first but the late nights looking for missing passengers and the hour and a half trip to/from home was a bit tiring at times. The great thing about the job was that they offered me a full time job as a computer engineer with them when I graduated from university (SOAS). All the monies were saved up so that I could travel to Japan every year to absorb the culture and buy health maintenance products at Akihabara.

The average hourly wage for part timers throughout Japan is 973 yen as reported by Nikkei BP. There was a gathering of over 3000 people in Tokyo last month to raise awareness on the poverty issues which included raising the minimum wage to 1,000 yen. I saw the news of that event on TV and was shocked to find out that some places were paying 600 yen per hour.

Today I thought it would be interesting to talk about what types of part time job we had/have and what sort of hourly wage we had/have compared to the national average.

BTW, the word for a "part time job" in Japanese is "Arubaito" [アルバイト] which is inherited from the German word "Arbeit" meaning "work" (source: allguide and google translate).
"Arubaito" can also be shorted to "Baito" also meaning "part time job."

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  • Cyberchaos
    Cyberchaos in Australia, Sydney (Registered on 2008/02/17)
    NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
    http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/

    i tick no cuz i'm a lazy bum
    jks jks

    i just haven't the time really between studying and other things...
    like waxing my dolphin...yess....

    Sun 2008/03/16 13:51:27 JST (ID #157128)
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  • n1ck
    n1ck in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/09/03)
    Student
    http://www.limnick.com

    The part time job wages here are worse.
    Most part time jobs offer RM 4 an hour which equals to about 1.20 dollars an hour.
    too busy to work now. Studies..

    Sun 2008/03/16 13:54:33 JST (ID #157129)
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  • aubz.
    aubz. in Vancouver (Registered on 2007/11/18)
    Multimedia Developer/Designer

    my first actual job wasn't really part time. it was an on-call job, busboy/waiter at wedding receptions. but i only did that for a few weeks. i worked at this promo company for work experience, then got hired as a full timer, although i got paid per project which was FAR LESS than minimum wage. :(

    Sun 2008/03/16 13:57:49 JST (ID #157130)
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  • Koshiko
    Koshiko in Sydney, Australia (Registered on 2007/08/03)
    website/graphic designer and karaoke amateur~
    http://www.furudango.com

    Not as depressing as my first job Danny u_u;; Did it more for the experience as I'm very shy and my friend couldn't do website design and called me up to help. I stayed there for a while but the pay was very bad. The owner ended up selling and I'm still working with the new owners, but only on websites when they get enquiries for them.
    I'm now working part-time as a graphic design assistant (or full-time? I'm there almost everyday because it's so busy at the moment! Took a day off today though, xD;) somewhere else with a lot better pay, but still not that great. I prefer website design as I like logic more over creativity.

    I'm glad I haven't had to work at a fast food place or restaurant so far, but I don't think I could anyway as I'm hearing-impaired and can't work in crowded/noisy places.

    Sun 2008/03/16 13:58:22 JST (ID #157131)
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  • wickedclown
    wickedclown in California (Registered on 2007/12/07)
    Programmer/IT/Student
    http://wickedotaku.blogspot.com/

    I don't have one yet =/ (And I'm 18 already!) Ah well, once I can get my license then I'll probably get one. I really do want to save up to visit Japan but I also want to save money for investments therefor making even more money ;p, ah well, I guess I'm going to have to juggle my money for different things. :(

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:06:36 JST (ID #157133)
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  • Tami
    Tami in Germany - Düsseldorf (Registered on 2007/12/16)
    IT-Architect, SysAdmin, WebDesign and Coding, Virtualization (VMware + NetApp)
    http://www.milkdrop.de/

    When i left school i had a part time job in a restaurant kitchen for bout a year, i though it would be a nice expierience to learn the basics of cooking and housekeeping stuffs there to have it easier when going to live alone.
    The paycheck was okay (i had like 550,- DM back then, that's like 270,- Euros or so) considering i was still living with my mother and had it all for myself, i even got food at that restaurant for free. ^^
    Besides that part-time job i did freelance as an journalist going to japan a few times because of it and meeting interesting people to interview and stuff.
    So i sort of had this part-time job for the reason to learn something and to have money for japan. ^^
    When i droped both the jobs finaly i went into the I.T. business, even though i didn't have anything learned yet about it, i became an Administrator at a service company which did run offices all over germany, so i was doing their network with another person, ended up to learn stuff about Cisco devices, Servers and so on.
    It turned into fulltime after a half year, had a company car and all that. From there on i only had fulltime jobs.

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:11:00 JST (ID #157134)
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  • ornehx
    ornehx in ペナン、マレシ-ア (Registered on 2007/12/25)
    dannychoo.com の読者

    i thought part time is called pato? well i guess thats a direct translate from english.

    well i had a few part time job that is really miserable in pay but that was like 8 years ago.

    1) waiter at chinese dimsum - RM4(125 yen)/hr

    2) waiter at PIzza Hut - RM4(125 yen)/hr

    3) waiter at Eden Catering - RM6(190 yen)/hr - crazily long hours 16 hrs in a strech at times

    4) sales promoter at Giodarno - RM5.5(172 yen)/hr

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:13:23 JST (ID #157135)
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    • Audrey Reiko
      Audrey Reiko in Malaysia (Registered on 2009/02/12)
      Permanent Japanophile

      I wonder how we survive in malaysia...

      Mon 2009/06/08 23:47:55 JST (ID #638671)
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  • terry
    terry in Singapore (Registered on 2007/08/02)
    =.=!
    http://hihi123.wordpress.com

    well, what i saw is there most sales assistant job in japan starts from 1000yen, as in what i saw at shibuya and shinjuku area last dec..

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:22:18 JST (ID #157137)
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  • zenical
    zenical in Singapore (Registered on 2007/11/08)
    boss of zotaku!!!!
    http://www.zotaku.com

    wow. That's a lot I think, comparing the wages we get here =_=

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:24:48 JST (ID #157139)
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  • CrazyAnimeTuga
    CrazyAnimeTuga in Portugal (Registered on 2007/01/02)
    Student
    http://animestuff.wordpress.com/

    You are shocked that there are places that people win 600 yen per hour? Things here are much worse, the minimal wager per month is around 423€ which makes around 2€ per hour for 8 hours of work, most people don't live, they try to survive :(.

    Even the recent graduates from university win a crap like 600~800€ per month

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:35:54 JST (ID #157143)
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  • Neil Duckett
    Neil Duckett in Yoyogi, Tokyo (Registered on 2007/11/06)
    Software Engineer
    http://www.neilduckett.com

    Geez, thats seriously low as a wage .... makes me embarrased at how flippantly i spend money in Japan.

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:41:19 JST (ID #157146)
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  • wcloudx
    wcloudx in Singapore (Registered on 2008/01/11)
    Artist/Flash Programmer
    http://wcloudxkumo.wordpress.com/

    Wow, 900-1000 Yen average per hour is a lot compared to here, but knowing the high living cost in Japan, that much might be appropriate ^^;

    I never lived in Japan, so I don't know if that's more than enough. What do you think Danny, with the current economy? :p

    Sun 2008/03/16 14:49:02 JST (ID #157150)
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  • chuy
    chuy in Thailand (Registered on 2007/09/28)
    Student
    http://chuymaster.exteen.com

    I've never done a part-time. But I've seen some recruitment advertising in department stores. I saw a wage was about 30Baht/hr (about100Yen) Very low I think...

    Sun 2008/03/16 15:09:07 JST (ID #157155)
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  • bolt
    bolt in Tampa Fl. (Registered on 2007/04/17)
    security/3d graphic artist
    http://www.kennethleishman.com/

    people fail to comprehend that minimum wage isnt suppose to by u a lexus and a white picket fence house.. its just a starting salary for first timers... and here in the us. minimum wage is hardly ever paid anyways.. exept to those people who include tips (watresses, lap dancers..etc.) so i'm not complaining about a low minimum wage.. but i do agree that the work force in general is underpaid... grossly underpaid by managers that get millions of dollars as a parting gift.. even if they ran it in to the ground cough(yahoo)

    enough of my rant :D

    Sun 2008/03/16 15:14:15 JST (ID #157157)
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  • Vixion
    Vixion in Indonesia (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Student
    http://vixion.wordpress.com/

    Nice Information

    thanks ^^

    now i'm thinking to go there LOL

    Sun 2008/03/16 15:14:46 JST (ID #157158)
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  • Timotei
    Timotei in Sweden (Registered on 2008/02/17)
    NEET
    http://hobbyjapan.blogspot.com/

    Never worked at a part time job and currently got no plans for it. I'm in some really weird program at the moment through the employment service and I would love to work at a part time rather than doing this crap, though I get about 500€ each month for doing nothing, so I'm not poor. But I'm not rich either.

    The cash goes to merchandise anyway.
    (b・∀・)b

    Sun 2008/03/16 15:25:55 JST (ID #157161)
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  • Martin Wandering
    Martin Wandering in The Wild West (Registered on 2008/02/04)
    Spiral Warrior
    http://www.perfectdesignsense.com/martinwandering

    Most of my work has been in my college's library. An... interesting job, but not recommended to those without a fine appreciation of utter futility.

    Pay was minimum wage, which was actually pretty high in Oregon, and after about two years of slav... erm, service, my wage was up to a whopping US$8.00 per hour (something like a 10 cent increase per semester).

    Sun 2008/03/16 16:16:30 JST (ID #157170)
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  • Hachiroku
    Hachiroku in Finland (Registered on 2007/12/27)
    New media student

    In my first job years ago I got 8€/hour. That 850 yen really doesn't sound much. Luckily Japanese don't have to pay 12€ in order to buy one manga.

    Sun 2008/03/16 16:33:37 JST (ID #157173)
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  • Sugarkage
    Sugarkage in London (Registered on 2008/02/05)
    Flash/ Actionscript Developer
    http://pimpinkris.com

    I used to have 2 part timers to fund my uni fees in the UK.

    The first was for my dads icecream company and the second for blockbuster video rentals. Both were minimal wage (around £5ph).
    Living in London is expensive though as my rent was 100pw alone, and i lived in the ghetto.


    Sun 2008/03/16 17:25:41 JST (ID #157187)
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  • Soshi
    Soshi in Waseda, Tokyo (Registered on 2007/09/15)
    Student
    http://basement.halfarenaissance.net

    Hmmm... part-time wages in Singapore are alright I guess, considering that our cost of living is lower. We get about an average of $6/hour (for non-degree/diploma holders) or about $600-800 a month depending on your luck. X3 I guess that translates to about 400yen/hour?

    Sun 2008/03/16 17:37:39 JST (ID #157193)
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  • Swordsly
    Swordsly in Singapore (Registered on 2008/01/05)
    Student

    the most common wages per hour would be $5 for part-time jobs (usually for jobs like sales assistants, receptionists etc)

    Sun 2008/03/16 17:43:43 JST (ID #157196)
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  • Ricky
    Ricky in Brisbane, Australia (Registered on 2007/03/28)
    Pharmacist, Accountant to be!
    http://www.rickytang.com.au

    I think it depends on the employer, whether or not they stick to standard schedules for wages. Some don't and some do. Depends also whether or not you are important or not.

    My current job pays me about $38AUD/hr an hour. Which is not heaps but is not too bad. It is raised to $50AUD/hr on Sunday. Obviously I work Sundays :D

    So I think my employer is playing slighty above standard.

    Sun 2008/03/16 17:48:31 JST (ID #157201)
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  • LightChan
    LightChan in London, England (Registered on 2008/01/26)
    Student - Free lance graphic designer and musician
    http://gmodcentral.com

    £3.00 an Hour about a year ago, now.
    Very depressing when I spent it all on small stuff.

    Sun 2008/03/16 17:59:43 JST (ID #157209)
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  • Benjamin Takeyo
    Benjamin Takeyo in Lieu de la batille decisive (Registered on 2007/12/04)
    ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^

    Nope, never had a part time job.

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:09:09 JST (ID #157214)
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  • Meimi132
    Meimi132 in Stuck in the void between the net life and real life. (Registered on 2007/12/03)
    Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
    http://meimi132.wordpress.com/

    Well since 850 yen is £4.15 round abouts, its not that much different than what Mcdonalds pays under 18's in the UK. I only got £4.25 when I started. I only got a raise to the over 18's rate in december and it wasnt much more. I'm still on minimum. Which is £4.65 an hour.

    1000 yen doesnt seem like much more frankly. (£4.89)

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:19:02 JST (ID #157219)
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  • lin-da-kenobi
    lin-da-kenobi in Lima, Peru ^^ (Registered on 2007/08/15)
    medicine student & otaku

    yup yup i work part-time @ a medical supply store, can't complain though i'm getting paid 8bucks hourly

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:22:37 JST (ID #157220)
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  • gregory_gdp
    gregory_gdp in Boise, ID (Registered on 2007/07/16)
    Photographer/Night Auditor
    http://hillbillyotaku.blogspot.com/

    I've had some pretty fun jobs and some not so fun jobs. The worse job was as a graphic designer for a startup classifieds paper. The owner's since of time wasn't based in reality. He liked to hand us full page color ads for car dealerships with a half hour before the paper was due to be signed off and sent to the printers. It was so much fun! </sarcasm> The paper folded in four months.

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:27:48 JST (ID #157222)
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  • Alafista OTAKU
    Alafista OTAKU in Singapore (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    Policy & Research Officer
    http://www.alafista.com/

    Never actually held any part time jobs except giving tuitions. But giving tuition got me quite good money and it wasn't tough since it didn't involve manual labour.

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:39:47 JST (ID #157234)
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  • Hirito
    Hirito in The Little Red Dot - Singapore (Registered on 2007/09/01)
    University Student.
    http://www.hirito.blogspot.com/

    850 yen starting pay for McDonalds in Japan...surely much more than what they're offering here which is about 4.50SGD (about 320 Yen)? But seriously, which company wouldn't love to exploit their workers and gain more profit for themselves?

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:43:26 JST (ID #157236)
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  • G-Unit
    G-Unit in Earth, Asia, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/12/25)
    Student
    http://johndiew0107.wordpress.com/

    i did have a part time job during holidays... worked as a waiter at a small 24hour restaurant...

    insanely low

    7hours working time for MYR16 (about 500yen)

    average hourly wage: MYR2.30 (70yen)

    MYR2.30 (70yen) perhour...and the job is killing me..

    wanted to try out other jobs. but the hourly wage at me region for part-timers just around MYR1 - MYR6 (30yen-180yen)

    Sun 2008/03/16 18:59:35 JST (ID #157250)
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  • qingy
    qingy in front of the monitor (Registered on 2007/10/05)
    Gunpla Enthusiast

    lets see, i've had a few part time jobs

    1) working at McDs, i think back then the minimum wage was 7.50 CAD, its been raised to 8 dollars now
    2) working at Walmart as cashier, was paid 9.30 before i left
    3) working at Air Canada information offices, paid 12.50
    4) working at Tim Hortons, paid 8.50
    5) working at MedLab as lab technician for co-op, paid 18.50

    well, as you can see, i've worked multiple jobs in between my university studies. i'm pretty self-reliant.
    also had a paper route when i was just a bit wee lad, and i remember using my first pay cheque to buy a gameboy game.

    Sun 2008/03/16 19:00:42 JST (ID #157251)
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  • The Lyrical Loli
    The Lyrical Loli in Los Angeles, California, U.S. (Registered on 2007/10/14)
    Kokoro Kotonoha's personal trainer
    http://loli1983.wordpress.com

    I can't work part time anymore since i got a lot of responsibilities now a days.

    But i've had 2 part times jobs in the past. Daily hours as low as 4 hours a day, and at the time in the state of California, the minimum wage was $6.75

    Now i make $12.00/hr and i get a monthly salary aside of my payroll. And i work at least 40 hours a week now compared to my part time jobs in the past.

    Sun 2008/03/16 19:15:05 JST (ID #157259)
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  • DrPepperMan85
    DrPepperMan85 in London UK (Registered on 2007/11/30)
    Student, MSc AI with Robotics Student

    I used to work at Sainsbury's for my 3 years, the pay was about £5/6 per hour. Thankfully I got a full time job for a year for my placement year at uni. The pay was £17,000. So thankfully I don't have to work for my final year. But I need a job during the summer to pay for my masters degree and for my trip back to Japan in september ^__^!

    Sun 2008/03/16 19:30:12 JST (ID #157264)
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  • Brian the Bear
    Brian the Bear in Taipei, Taiwan (Registered on 2008/03/14)
    Engineer
    http://www.24bear.com/

    My first part time job was a library page. Got about $9 USD ( around 900 YEN) / hour, which wasn't too bad when I was 15.5 years old! Very easy going job, spent a lot of time reading Garfield, borrowing PC/Playstation games (yes, my library had PC/Playstation games that you can borrow for free), and surfing the net.

    Sun 2008/03/16 19:33:14 JST (ID #157266)
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  • kaeze
    kaeze in Melbourne, Australia, Earth (Registered on 2007/04/09)
    Illustrator & Designer
    http://www.knight-edge.com/

    My first real part-time job was working at a paint factory, pouring paint and labeling paint cans. I worked there for about 4-6 weeks for 3 summer holidays.

    The work itself was tedious and boring, pretty much similar to any process / factory job I guess. Most toughest things were sometimes the fumes and washing the large tanks that they mix the paint and chemicals in.

    Pay was ridiculously fantastic particularly for a 18-19 year old at the time like I was, started from $18 AUD and went up to $20 AUD / hr during the last summer I worked there! Pretty much paid for my uni fees for the first 2 years and saved some away to buy my first car.

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:02:06 JST (ID #157275)
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  • Evil King
    Evil King in Vlaardingen, the Netherlands, Earth (Registered on 2007/12/18)
    Student and full-time otaku

    I've only had one measly job for like 2 weeks when I was 16. Stacking books for €2/hr and being electrocuted by the metal trolleys we used (they built up static rollin around T_T). It was really boring and after that I haven't worked again.

    I guess I'm spoiled, but living at home as I do, the study finance and my allowance pretty much cover everything. Although since I found DC, I've been ithcing to go to Japan and buy more schtuff, which this allowance simply does NOT cover, so maybe now's a good time to get a job. Maybe these holidays.

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:11:40 JST (ID #157277)
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  • vegas
    vegas in San Diego (Registered on 2007/12/25)
    Working for the Man
    http://www.myspace.com/jesusmadrid

    worked at mickey D's as my first job for exactly a year. left at 7.50/hr.
    Reading through the responses did anyone else work a tip job? I worked for Red Robin for 3 years and even though my hourly was 8/hr with tips as a food runner/expo it bumped itself up to 12-15/hr depending on the day. quite a lot for a high school student.
    As a server in college it was easily 20/hr. So to all young people- GET A TIP JOB!

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:33:54 JST (ID #157281)
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  • ikimasu
    ikimasu in Oregon (Registered on 2008/01/15)
    Otaku

    DANG here in Oregon the minimum wage is 7.50

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:43:02 JST (ID #157283)
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  • maikeru
    maikeru in Oregon (Registered on 2007/12/06)
    Replenisher

    When I was in High School, I worked part-time at a retirement home for $4.25/hour. I remember how great I thought it was that I didn't have to work fast food. One summer, I was a temp at a cemetery for $8.50/hour. Talk about a depressing job.

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:47:08 JST (ID #157285)
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  • JB.
    JB. in Don't Feed The Animals (Registered on 2008/02/17)
    Creative Director

    I spent a long time in a retail job (w/the worthless Teamsters Union). My job screwed me from ever having the right hours to attend school while working (but the money was OK) . So after many years of saving I quit and went to a small private school then one year into it I worked PT and a Home Depot to help pay 1/2 my loans.

    Been lucky and unlucky after I graduated. Every job I've had since, I was able to get at least 10k more per year than the previous job. But also back in 2001 I was laid off work (software co.) and had to look for a very long time to find another job. Lot's of pressure from every one around me to just take what ever job, but I'm thick headed I guess... just want to be a designer. That's what I paid all that money for school and refused to do anything else.

    Three things to remember...

    1. Never accept a union job! (why pay some else for a back bone. Use your own) :)
    2. Salaries are always negotiable.
    3. Believe in yourself.

    Sun 2008/03/16 20:53:42 JST (ID #157286)
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  • Jotham
    Jotham in Los Angeles, CA (Registered on 2008/03/08)
    Student
    http://yellowguy89.blogspot.com/

    I wouldnt really say my first job was part time..well it was but it was to help the family out with the store.
    It was a small and measly dry cleaners in the middle of nowhere Michigan and I got paid about 40 dollars just working 38 hrs a week. Thats almost a dollar an hour... T_T

    Well in the end it was a good experience for me, thats when I realized how hard it was to make an honest buck...and how hard it was to operate steamed machinery -_-;;

    Sun 2008/03/16 21:21:00 JST (ID #157291)
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  • Hangmen13
    Hangmen13 in Sabah, Malaysia, but now studying in KL (still the same country) (Registered on 2007/04/21)
    Wanderer of the Mist
    http://hangmen13.16ops.com/

    A self-employed social recluse. Oh wait, that counts as a full-time job. My bad.

    Sun 2008/03/16 21:45:48 JST (ID #157303)
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  • Mimi
    Mimi in MIT (Registered on 2008/03/11)
    Student
    http://anime.scripts.mit.edu/miteiru/

    I'm a part-time piano teacher working at home. ^^;
    I make 30$ an hour and fire my students when there's too much stuff on my schedule.. a nice job for a high school kid i guess.

    Sun 2008/03/16 22:00:05 JST (ID #157306)
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  • NekokoNeko
    NekokoNeko in Long Beach, CA, USA (Registered on 2007/11/30)
    computer business Infomation system

    Hey my first part-time was at Mc Dee's. The min wage at that time was 6.25$ back then. It was actually hard working there. I worked there for 2 months before I quited.

    Sun 2008/03/16 22:06:30 JST (ID #157308)
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  • chun
    chun in need to be in bed (Registered on 2007/01/09)
    part time illustrationist, doll clothing seamstress
    http://puppy52art.com/

    Arubaito *mumbles and tries to memorize*

    I did some part time work as graphic designer for a friend's start up company, unfortunately I think big chunk of my pay went to commuting to and fro from the office (oops) and I was offered a full time job after working there for a little bit (double oops)!

    When I was schooling for diploma in design back in SG, I had a brief internship at one of my mom's old friend's design company before too and picked up some photoshop related skills from there ^^ that one, I think there was no pay LOL (or it was not a lot, as usual) but experience is priceless no? :)

    I think the draw back of part-timing is usually the pay is so so or below average, unless the client really want/is willing to pay for your skills ^^;

    Sun 2008/03/16 22:22:30 JST (ID #157313)
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  • MrShawn
    MrShawn in Houston, Texas (Registered on 2008/01/19)
    Student
    http://mrshawn16.blogspot.com

    WOW 8.50USD you would be lucky to get 6.00 were i live. I work at a retail store and cant even get that. Lucky Japs.

    Sun 2008/03/16 22:47:21 JST (ID #157317)
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  • Kyle
    Kyle in Seattle, Washington (Registered on 2007/10/08)
    Student/Part-timer

    Interesting. I wish I could get $10/hour at my part time in Best Buy, but I just get crap instead.

    Sun 2008/03/16 23:07:27 JST (ID #157322)
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  • ruddigore
    ruddigore in Maryland, USA (Registered on 2008/03/16)
    Polymath

    My first, and only, part-time job was doing tech support for my university's student newspaper. I got $10 an hour, but I worked so little that it was nothing more than pocket change. Definitely nothing to fly to Japan with and spend on a wild binge in Akiba...

    Sun 2008/03/16 23:11:29 JST (ID #157323)
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  • JockeII
    JockeII in Sweden (Registered on 2008/01/19)
    NEET

    Yikes, $8.5/hour. That is so low that I would never consider it. It is pretty much what I earned when I worked a summer when I was 15-16 lol. Most of my jobs I've had during summer when I was a student has been ~$15/h.

    My last job, which was part time, I could earn ~$30/h. I often said no to work though, even though it was very easy and relaxed work. I quit after two months since I wanted to go fulltime NEET. And here I am, still a happy NEET. ^_^

    Sun 2008/03/16 23:25:54 JST (ID #157330)
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  • REOS
    REOS (Registered on 2007/11/20)

    I started at McD's a year and a half ago for $6.75/hr. I now get $8/hr not from of a raise but because the minimum went up.

    most of my wages are spent on figures and external hard drives.

    Once I graduate, I'll be able to spend 3 times as much on my anime/compute addiction without having to worry about other expenses.

    Sun 2008/03/16 23:58:16 JST (ID #157338)
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  • Dashu
    Dashu in Germany (Registered on 2007/09/26)
    CS Student

    Back when I was in school, I worked at the local supermarket. That got me ~7.50Euro (~11.50 USD) per hour. The average for Germany is about 6.- Euro (~9.50 USD). Today I work as a student assistant with a wage of ~8.50 Euro (~13 USD) per hour. The bad thing about it is that you work overtime without getting paid for it. But it's much more fun when you can put into practice the things you learn in lectures ^_^

    The first time I heard "arubaito" I thought I misheard it. I think it's funny how there are so many English words in the Japanese language, but then there is this exception. Are there other Japanese words inherited from German or other non-English European languages?

    Mon 2008/03/17 00:30:25 JST (ID #157342)
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  • Freedom Gundam
    Freedom Gundam in United Kingdom (Registered on 2008/02/03)
    College Student

    850 Yen thats about $8.5 usd/Hour, and about £4.16/Hour which isn't that bad in the UK.

    The minimum wage is £3.40/Hr for 16-17.
    It's £4.60/Hr for 18-21.
    And £5.52/hr for 22+.

    So if your 22 or over its about 1126 Yen/Hour as a minimum wage, and $11.20 usd/Hour as a minimum wage.

    So the japanese McDonalds wage isn't that bad...

    Mon 2008/03/17 01:15:02 JST (ID #157355)
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  • -XYZPDQ
    -XYZPDQ in Pennsylvania, United States (Registered on 2007/01/01)
    Student Engineer
    http://www.tgwnetohh.blogspot.com/

    Yes I have had a part time job at an amusement park. I don't feel bad for all the people complaining about $10.00USD being too little, I would JUMP at the chance to make $7.50 to $8.00 an hour! When I began working I earned $5.65 an hour and the next year it went up to around $6.35.

    I had plenty to spend on, but gas ate around 40% of my money. I do what I can and at the moment I live off of borrowed money from the parents as I earn my degree. It will be nice when I am out of college, starting salary for entry level engineers is 5,348,000 Yen =). I'm pretty sure that is enough to support just one person (me!), a nice house and a 1000% expansion on my hobbies =).

    Mon 2008/03/17 01:18:13 JST (ID #157356)
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  • Meimi132
    Meimi132 in Stuck in the void between the net life and real life. (Registered on 2007/12/03)
    Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
    http://meimi132.wordpress.com/

    Dude..... minimum wage for 16-17 is that low in the UK??? McDonalds were being kind at £4.25 when I started then....(Last year, October)

    Mon 2008/03/17 01:26:30 JST (ID #157359)
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  • cowboy4eva
    cowboy4eva in New York, Osaka, Tokyo (Registered on 2008/01/29)
    Watcher

    That's pretty low man. But with the yen at 99 to a buck, they get paid more than American workers.

    Mon 2008/03/17 01:56:49 JST (ID #157363)
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  • Gorm
    Gorm in London (Registered on 2007/11/06)
    Student

    i get £6.42 an hour working at tesco, above minimum wage so i cant really complain, not a hard job just a bit boring.

    Mon 2008/03/17 02:08:06 JST (ID #157366)
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  • Akiba-Kid
    Akiba-Kid in California, USA (Registered on 2008/01/17)
    Online Shop
    http://wildarms.egloos.com

    I remember working at a Japanese fast food restaurant in the mall for about $4.75 per hour back in my high school days. Getting free lunch was one plus side maybe but if you work at the restaurant, you end up not wanting to eat their food after knowing what they actually do/cook...

    Mon 2008/03/17 02:40:41 JST (ID #157371)
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  • BeLe
    BeLe in Davao, Philippines (Registered on 2007/01/03)
    .NET/Web Developer
    http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net

    I've never really applied for a part time job. heheh. Went straight to full time as a programmer when I graduated at the university.

    Is that japan's minimum wage? Our minimum hourly wage here is around 750 japanese yen. really small. Glad I'm not receiving that kind of wage

    Mon 2008/03/17 03:05:38 JST (ID #157376)
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  • CaTZ
    CaTZ in Indonesia (Registered on 2007/02/10)
    Game Designer & 2D Artist
    http://catzstudio.blogspot.com/

    My part time job was a game reviewer and layouter during uni time at a local publishing company.

    Got paid really low :P maybe about 100usd/month...

    but we had fun that time, ah... I miss uni time....

    Mon 2008/03/17 03:40:00 JST (ID #157393)
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  • double
    double in Singapore (Registered on 2007/04/24)
    Student
    http://www.furuanimepanikku.com

    Wow Japan's Macdonalds' pay is really high compared to Singapore's Macdonalds' starting pay.

    Compared to 850 yen, the pay here is about S$3, which is about 250 yen. A total ripoff, but people still work for them 0.0

    Mon 2008/03/17 06:00:35 JST (ID #157433)
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  • gurugurutrex
    gurugurutrex in Vancouver, B.C., Canada (Registered on 2007/11/07)
    オタク all day long
    http://www.nekomagic.com

    The minimum wage in Vancouver now is CDN$8.5/hr. It was only $7/hr when I was in highschool. But to me, $7/hr is a lot at that time since I only have $40 a month allowance from my parents at that time. =P

    Mon 2008/03/17 06:05:50 JST (ID #157436)
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  • XSportSeeker
    XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
    http://xspblog.com

    I'm currently unemployed, but studying (which doesn't quite justify me being unemployed)...
    But I worked part time job (when I was in university)... my salary was about R$450 a month working mornings only.

    That's about 225US$ on today's currency conversion... but at the time it was less than 120US$...

    McD's pays about R$2,50 an hour in Brazil, which is about 1,25USDs...

    McD's is well known as one of the lowest paying jobs here in Brazil, along with some other fast food chains.

    Minimum wage in Brazil improved quite a bit in the past couple of years, but it's still nothing compared to Japan.

    The monthly minimum wage here is today 415R$... which is double of what it was 6 years ago.

    Still, it's about 215US$ A MONTH. Almost not enough to buy food to live.

    So there you go... that's why lots of brazilians choose to go to other countries to work. Like Japan! :D

    People like... let's say.. me. :P Even though I have a choice to work in Brazil, since I'm graduated and all... but my reasons are kinda different anyways.

    More because I admire Japan, than because I need the money. I think I'd rather live a modest life in Japan than be rich in Brazil... but I'm giving some time to make up my mind. Also, I don't think my parents wants to leave Brazil...

    Mon 2008/03/17 06:14:14 JST (ID #157437)
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  • Rin
    Rin in Toronto (Registered on 2008/01/04)
    Student Otaku (ITM Student) and ACG NA Staff
    http://koiaichaku.com/

    My wage is $10 to $15 an hour. It depends on what I do. Sometimes I fix the computer and other times I book appointments.

    Mon 2008/03/17 06:39:29 JST (ID #157447)
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  • Dedale
    Dedale in S'pore after France (Registered on 2007/12/04)
    Labyrinth builder

    In France, the minimum hourly wage is 8.44€ ie around 130Y.

    Mon 2008/03/17 07:41:23 JST (ID #157469)
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  • Fariz Asuka
    Fariz Asuka in Singapore (Registered on 2008/03/11)
    Student and Miku Guardian
    http://kyourankyodai.com

    Well, it's a better pay compared to Singapore.. Some company pay you just SGD$4 per hour which adds up to SGD$40 per day..


    That's why I'm going to save up some money to go to Japan.. Might take awhile..

    Mon 2008/03/17 08:44:04 JST (ID #157483)
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  • NPC
    NPC in Rocklin, CA (Registered on 2007/12/06)
    JR. College Student
    http://npc.talkingincircles.net/

    I have yet to work, I soon will though... probably by the end of this year.

    Mon 2008/03/17 09:23:54 JST (ID #157500)
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  • VxJasonxV
    VxJasonxV in Castle Rock, Colorado, USA (Registered on 2008/01/30)
    Systems Administrator

    My first job was a Full Time internship over the summer. I think I made 9$USD/hr. there. When I moved to part time, I made $10.25, up to $10.55 after my first review (woo hoo) an hour.

    Everything sense has been full time jobs.

    Mon 2008/03/17 11:04:21 JST (ID #157529)
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  • nivexus
    nivexus in Melbourne, Australia (Registered on 2007/10/08)
    Student & Accountant
    http://nivexus.deviantart.com

    My first part time job was at a printing centre when i was 17. Got paid $22AUD (approx $20USD) per hr and on weekends it was $44AUD (approx $41USD) per hr. I even got superannuation of around $150AUD per week(retirement fund money). Currently doing accounting on a fixed wage which is nicer cause i get to take it a little easier than hourly work.
    So a tip for ppl in aus looking for casual/part time work: get a job that's protected by a union. They generally pay better than places like McDonalds.

    Mon 2008/03/17 12:21:33 JST (ID #157538)
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  • cuteninja
    cuteninja (Registered on 2008/02/26)
    Auditor Junior

    hey i havent done part time job yet but will start full time job soon enough.
    i want to ask to "nivexus" hey i am also studying to become an accountant and want to move to australia so can you tell me what course are you studying i will complete my ACCA in december hopefully.

    Mon 2008/03/17 13:14:55 JST (ID #157560)
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  • Elozt E. Elric
    Elozt E. Elric in Singapore (Registered on 2007/08/12)
    Engineer / IT Student
    http://elozt.wordpress.com/

    Speaking of part time jobs, the pay at KFC in singapore is roughly 4 dollars an hour, which is roughly 288 yen (McDonalds is worst @ 2.50~3 an hour). And although I used to have a job offering me 8~12 bucks an hour, I still gave it up after a while thanks to the enormous amount of workload they dump at you everytime.

    The only good pay amount comes after you've graduated from university with a doctorate or after you've migrated to another country. We're seriously underpaid even with the relevant skills in singapore.

    Mon 2008/03/17 15:03:05 JST (ID #157606)
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  • Gundam Otaku
    Gundam Otaku in Tropical Singapore (Registered on 2006/12/30)
    Student
    http://marianto.deviantart.com/

    I was really surprise and happy at the same time when I see the part-time wage in Japan was at 850 yen on average. The most I have ever worked for was SGD 6/436 yen per hour.

    I really agree with Elozt E. Elric on how underpaid we are. Its basically cheap and manual labour most of the times. Its not really the pay that matters the most sometimes. There is still the employer. Some of my friends and family members do whine to me sometimes that their employer is a real tyrant.

    Mon 2008/03/17 15:46:13 JST (ID #157621)
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  • Zeroblade
    Zeroblade in Manila, Philippines (Registered on 2007/04/10)
    Student
    http://zeroblade.dasaku.net

    I never had "part time", but I've worked full time over a month in the summer last year, as a bagger in the supermarket. Boy, my feet hurt so bad.

    Mon 2008/03/17 16:03:08 JST (ID #157627)
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  • e-jump
    e-jump in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/12/22)
    Engineer by weekdays, Hikki by weekends
    http://ejump.wordpress.com/

    why is everyone direct converting the wage without considering the living expense of particular country?

    Mon 2008/03/17 16:04:51 JST (ID #157628)
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  • neuvoex
    neuvoex in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Registered on 2008/02/24)
    System Admin/Network Admin, otaku-to-be :lol:
    http://blog.rojakstyle.com

    850yen/hour? seriously? McD here only pays RM3.50 = 100 yen. lol

    Mon 2008/03/17 18:49:53 JST (ID #157703)
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  • Felpe
    Felpe in Santiago, Chile (Registered on 2008/01/08)
    Student

    Really can´t, in Chile is either full time or nothing, zero flexibility.
    By the way, the minimum wage is about 300 usd a month, wich sucks and is wath most people earn.

    Mon 2008/03/17 18:59:34 JST (ID #157713)
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  • lostandfound
    lostandfound in Singapore (Registered on 2007/10/21)
    Hikikomori in the making
    http://supermariabros.deviantart.com/

    Haven't worked before... Still leaving with my parents... OMG! I sound just like a loser! NOOO!

    Mon 2008/03/17 19:33:01 JST (ID #157739)
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  • leefe
    leefe in a tincan. (Registered on 2007/08/15)
    Lazyass human
    http://nipah.wordpress.com

    Was submitting a rather long comment which got me an error message. Which is kinda weird and pretty irritating as I forgot what I'd typed in. orz

    BTW my part-time job pays SGD5.50 an hour. I think slightly lower than the average, but doesn't seem so bad as my fellow colleagues are pretty okay and stuff. No point working a slightly higher paying job only to face a nasty heck of a boss. A job is still a job. It feeds you and preps your wallet for your future figurine preorders.

    Mon 2008/03/17 19:35:23 JST (ID #157740)
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  • Renji
    Renji in Kaiserslautern, Germany (Registered on 2008/03/17)
    student (part time researcher at DFKI)

    I think it all depends on how the situation in your countries are. Unfortunately Germany gets more and more expensive these days...

    Normally, part time jobs around here are offered with hourly wages of between 3,50€ and 5€. However, if you earn less than a certain amount per month, you get financial aid from the government.

    My first job was at my university and I got something around 7,50€ per hour. At the moment, I am working as part time researcher for the German Research Center for Artificial Intelligence and get almost 10€ per hour, which is very cool! ^^

    Mon 2008/03/17 20:28:45 JST (ID #157771)
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  • Boris
    Boris in USA (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    Visual Communications and Web 2.0
    http://www.imagineboris.com

    Interesting, it seems min wage is higher in japan then in USA. 850-900 is about $8-$9 dollars (rounding off). Currently USA min wage (as far as I remember and I hope I'm not wrong) is about $5.25. People been trying to raise that to at lest $7 - $8 or more for a while now. Though current government does not seem to agree.

    I worked as part time during my college life. I was fortunate to work as part time contractor/consultant for exactly what I was studying in college. I was paid from $15 - $30 (1,452 - 2,905 yen) an hour. It was nice doing exactly what I was going to do after I graduate. Gave me extensive work experience that helped me get my current job. Also, was nice because it was part time and it did not interfere with my studying. Most of my jobs came via Monster.com web site.

    Mon 2008/03/17 20:41:34 JST (ID #157773)
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  • zscout370
    zscout370 in San Diego, California, USA (Registered on 2008/02/10)
    student, vexillologist
    http://twitter.com/zscout370

    California just raised their min. wage to 8 USD per hour; it used to be 7.50 USD before the start of 2008. So it is pretty much on par with the Japanese min. wage (given the US economy is the fail).

    Mon 2008/03/17 23:20:16 JST (ID #157846)
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  • AlikaMorein
    AlikaMorein in United States, Utah (Registered on 2008/02/23)
    Pre-press specialist
    http://echoofforgottenflowers.blogspot.com/

    I've worked a few. I worked at a hotel for $6 an hour. A graphic designer for $8.
    I currently have two part time jobs. A lab assistant at the college here for $7.50 and at the newspaper for $9.85. Decent wages for a college student. The unfortunate part of it all is that these are pretty high wages for my area.
    Unfortunately the minimum wage going up is like the people making more then minimum wage taking a pay cut. We won't be seeing an increase in our wages, and the price of goods will go up to compensate for the higher wages.

    Tue 2008/03/18 02:49:42 JST (ID #157916)
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  • jou
    jou in Zürich, Switzerland (Registered on 2007/11/01)
    PHP guy
    http://blog.orly.ch/

    The first and only part time job I had was at the Archeology Department. A friend of mine got me the job and we went there together. Our work was cleaning up the mud from stuff they dug up and helping out a civil defense guy. I had an hourly wage of CHF 10, if I remember correctly. Was quite a nice pay for a junior high student.

    The former part of the job was dead boring, sitting in a room and shrubbing creamic shards. At least I had a radio to listen to.

    But the latter part was rather interesting. The Archeology Department was also responsible for maintaining the WW2 bunkers along the part of the Rhine flowing through the Lake of Constance. You know... Just in case the Germans invades Switzerland.

    Most of them are somewhere in the middle of nowhere, so we got around for quite a bit. One was particulary interesting since it was in the middle of a willage. To cover it up, they put a house-like front around it.

    Another interesting one was the "sex-bunker". There was quite a bit of used handkerchiefs and condoms lying around (good thing we had gloves :). And on our second visit, we caught a couple doing it in a car. Needless to say they were quite embarassed :)

    Tue 2008/03/18 04:38:07 JST (ID #157947)
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  • DrGUID
    DrGUID in London (Registered on 2007/11/14)
    Web Developer (i.e. Otaku)
    http://www.brettb.com/TravelLog.Tokyo.asp

    Worked at a garden centre while I was at school. The money was rubbish! One day the manager made me sweep up the car park.

    Now we have a minimum wage in the UK, and our rubbish jobs are mostly done by immigrants.

    Tue 2008/03/18 15:55:00 JST (ID #158141)
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  • andra
    andra in Singapore (Registered on 2007/11/06)
    中学生
    http://thezhukeeper.blogspot.com

    I did a... wasn't really a part time job though - distribution of flyers >> 1000 piece = SG$20 (around 140 yen?)

    Distributed > eat > transport > earn nothing? T.T

    thinking of working at Mac or pizzahut soon or should I be digging out something for sale?

    Tue 2008/03/18 18:02:43 JST (ID #158179)
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  • Okashi_Kuma
    Okashi_Kuma (Registered on 2007/10/31)
    Student

    I get Paid $8.10 at PetsMart part time as a cashier. I just started working there a couple months ago. I consider that to be pretty good for the types of jobs there are around where I live.

    Tue 2008/03/18 20:52:45 JST (ID #158268)
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  • Triddy
    Triddy in British Columbia, Canada (Registered on 2007/11/28)
    Student

    The minimum wage anywhere here is $8, or 800 yen. For people with less than 500 hours of work experience, it`s $6, or, you guessed it, 600 yen.

    BC stinks.

    Wed 2008/03/19 07:16:54 JST (ID #158493)
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  • Loup Solitaire
    Loup Solitaire in Paris (France,EU) (Registered on 2008/03/19)
    http://www.gamekult.com/blog/Outcast/

    Minimum wage in France is 6,63 €/h after tax which is 1,031.04 yens (8,44 €/h before tax).
    But you have to know that japan is the most expansive country in the world (Swiss is ranked second if I remember well). France is a really good country for unqualified jobs.

    Wed 2008/03/19 18:55:59 JST (ID #158689)
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  • Soshi
    Soshi in Waseda, Tokyo (Registered on 2007/09/15)
    Student
    http://basement.halfarenaissance.net

    D: Actually I don't know why the other Singaporeans here are complaining about the hourly wage here? It isn't the best but at least we aren't being paid really crappy pay.

    Food here is really cheap (and good, if you know where to find it) and it's almost impossible to find a meal for the same price in Japan. Plus, rental in Japan is high, no?

    No offence but I think some of my fellow countrymen are having illusions about wages. O:

    Thu 2008/03/20 13:57:59 JST (ID #159068)
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  • littledoll
    littledoll (Registered on 2008/03/20)
    http://chibigaijin.blogspot.com/

    My first job was doing translating so I was paid more than minimum wage. Funny thing is that they have been raising the wage dramatically over the past 6 years, to the point that I ended up working a minimum wage job for a little while last year in between jobs and I was paid the same amount I made in that translating job 6 years ago!

    Thu 2008/03/20 20:58:13 JST (ID #159268)
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  • Patrick Barron
    Patrick Barron in Michigan, United States of America (Registered on 2008/02/09)
    Grocery Store Clerk

    The minumum wages in Japan seen almost the same here in the U.S. Id do not know have some one can get by on making that much here in America much less Japan.

    At least they do not have to worry about medical benefits. Japan has a Universal Health Care Plan; unlike us. A major deduction of my pay is health care (privatized).

    I know that the Senate has been trying to push for increasing the minium wage for some time now though to help combat stagflation that has lead to an increase in poverty, dept, and foreclosures.

    There is a small part of me that is against the massive minuim wage increase because what I make now after going up on the seniorty scale might be almost equal or close to someone who is realively new.

    In addition to my personal comments. It might be bad for soem small businesses in Japan. It is an addeed cost in this period. I know that the afects of the recession here in America are starting to affect the Asian Market (Maily due to oil.)

    Sat 2008/03/22 22:17:07 JST (ID #160085)
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  • kurz
    kurz in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/09/03)
    Student

    mine is MYR 4 per hour ~ 128 yen.
    WTH..not to forget akiba stuff are cheap there in japan..
    so 850yen per hour is really a luxury..of course it'll not be the same if u guys are talking bout having a family in japan with that kind wage..since im comparing with students there and here at my place..but still, it doesnt mean MYR 4/hr is enuff for a living in KL,MY anyway..duh.

    Wed 2008/04/09 20:50:30 JST (ID #168729)
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  • Tilimorf
    Tilimorf in Utah USA (Registered on 2009/02/01)
    Manufacturing Technician

    My first job only payed $5.15 an hour which right now is only about 461.126 Yen. I loved that job and worked there for 3 years just cause it was all friends who worked there. but the pay really did stink.

    Wed 2009/02/04 07:11:50 JST (ID #474099)
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