Final Fantasy Online Banning

Sun 2009/01/25 02:01 JST
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550 users of the online game Final Fantasy XI were banned for taking advantage of a bug which allowed them to duplicate items that are found or taken from others in the battle field.
Square Enix put up a notice detailing how there were another 400 users who were found using the bug but it looks like they were let off with a temporary suspension of their accounts.

Square Enix finished off the notice by saying that they will do the same to others who they find cheating.
Me wondering if these online games were made in a way to let people cheat or they just say that to cover their ass if people discover other bugs in the game.

Comments at Itai News include "its Square Enix's fault for letting that bug into the game" and "what a way to run a company."

Anybody else here who play online games experience similar shenanigans?
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  • ΓΛPΤΘΓ
    ΓΛPΤΘΓ in UK (Registered on 2009/01/09)
    Lurk

    Glitching and exploiting bug is permanently bannable in many games/servers, you got lucky this time.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:22:14 JST (ID #461188)
    reply to ΓΛPΤΘΓ's comment
  • meronpan
    meronpan in カリフォルニア (Registered on 2007/12/30)
    software manager
    http://wawawawasuremono.com

    as a former wow player, i can understand the desire to get some easy advancement (whether it be money, skills, xp, or whatever)... but... not really sure why anyone would assume they wouldn't be punished for knowingly exploiting the game. for the amount of time and money people invest in their characters, it just doesn't make sense to take a risk on something that may destroy all that work...

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:23:01 JST (ID #461189)
    reply to meronpan's comment
    • GNdynames
      GNdynames in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2008/07/29)
      Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
      http://gndynames.wordpress.com

      IIRC Blizz didn't ban the people who were getting Shaman T6 gear for free from a bug.

      Sun 2009/01/25 02:29:12 JST (ID #461196)
      reply to GNdynames's comment
      • haste
        haste in Sydney, Australia (Registered on 2008/12/29)
        Student

        t6? i never heard that one, but i did witness ppl getting priest and warlock S2 gear for free. lol everyone was on a rampage to make a new character just to get the gear.

        Sun 2009/01/25 06:52:38 JST (ID #461481)
        reply to haste's comment
        • leefe
          leefe in a tincan. (Registered on 2007/08/15)
          Lazyass human
          http://nipah.wordpress.com

          There were some free PvP accessories too... Of course I got them all *dodgebanstick*

          Apparently they just rolled back everything and that's all. No bans :P

          Sun 2009/01/25 07:12:34 JST (ID #461497)
          reply to leefe's comment
          • Mirabem
            Mirabem in Philadelphia, US (Registered on 2008/11/06)
            FREETER

            I enjoyed my free S4 hunter offhand axe, too :3

            I think I dodged the rollback because I had the mainhand,
            purchased through legit means, as well as some S4 armor.

            I still have that stupid axe in my inventory ;p

            Mon 2009/01/26 01:03:51 JST (ID #462316)
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      • Balamon - Your Leading Source of Win
        Balamon - Your Leading Source of Win in Manila (Registered on 2009/01/14)
        Analyst
        http://balamon.wordpress.com

        lol i remember that one.

        Sun 2009/01/25 17:39:24 JST (ID #461919)
        reply to Balamon - Your Leading Source of Win's comment
  • Xiani
    Xiani in Pennsylvania, USA (Registered on 2008/05/19)
    Artist - MMORPG'R

    I played FFXI for over three years and currently play Warhammer/WoW. I've played other MMOs as well, but FFXI was my big one.

    They do not take cheating lightly, although it is sometimes hard to catch. It may be the programmer's fault for letting that bug get into the game, but the people who took advantage of something they -knew- was wrong are just as guilty. They saw a bug that could dupe items, which is plain out against the rules in ANY game. Their fault and they deserve the consequences if they were found guilty of duping an item.

    FFXI isn't always the best run when it comes to customer service and stupid bannings, but I see nothing wrong with this. Bugs happen in games. Usually it's the people who find them out and report them and if they're major, they normally get fixed rather soon after. Mistakes happen, everyone is human.

    I first heard about this on BG(BlueGartr, a FFXI end game linkshell on the Bahamut server) forums.

    I could have given you some much better screenshots to use from back when I played. XP

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:26:16 JST (ID #461191)
    reply to Xiani's comment
  • aggitan
    aggitan in USA (Registered on 2008/04/08)
    Network Engineer
    http://www.aggitan.blogspot.com/

    I play FFXI, it was really cutting into my life so I cut it back to two times a week for only 4 hours....rather than every day for 4~12 hours....

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:28:53 JST (ID #461195)
    reply to aggitan's comment
  • AZU
    AZU in Fog City of the somewhat "Golden State" (Registered on 2008/12/29)
    Newbie Concept Artist
    http://myspace.com/answer_sheet_service

    retired ffxi player here. expect nonetheless from a game that just takes a while for you to find what u want like items and lvl 75 (applicable to someone like me >.>). ppl these days just get impatient. can't blame em.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:35:07 JST (ID #461199)
    reply to AZU's comment
  • tenrou
    tenrou in Honolulu, HI (Registered on 2008/04/16)
    流浪人

    There are plenty of warnings and agreements when you sign-up for FFXI that state they don't tolerate cheating. Getting banned was the players' faults.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:40:44 JST (ID #461205)
    reply to tenrou's comment
  • MAsia
    MAsia in NERV HQ, Tokyo-3 (Registered on 2007/01/14)
    Supreme Commander of NERV Co.

    I really hate it when people exploit glitches, especially in MMORPGs. It ruins the fun for everyone else. But you can never stop them...well atleast for now hehe >_>

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:42:04 JST (ID #461207)
    reply to MAsia's comment
  • misae
    misae in Corea / U.S. (Registered on 2009/01/21)
    高1学生 (工学・科学)
    http://nurinamo.comli.com/

    Wow... that's some good banning there. When I was playing on Nexon America and ijji(not other regions), the bug-exploiters never got banned. One of the largest bug-exploits that I've seen was in Gunster: Rain of Bullets... the game got discarded later, too.

    Has anyone else noticed that many Corean MMORPGS that come into the U.S. market is full of bugs and exploits?

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:42:59 JST (ID #461209)
    reply to misae's comment
  • Freedom Gundam
    Freedom Gundam in United Kingdom (Registered on 2008/02/03)
    College Student

    Tbh they shouldn't be banned unless Sony released a statement about the bug. They should have then just removed it accepted their own mistake and move on. I would hate being banned from a game that I brought...for all some people know it was just an element of the game.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:44:33 JST (ID #461212)
    reply to Freedom Gundam's comment
    • Zou
      Zou in New York City (Registered on 2008/07/08)
      Student & Authorized Chicken Slapper
      http://www.otakuinternational.com

      "for all some people know it was just an element of the game."

      Yeah dude, I doubt that one. I think anyone playing would know that this isn't a part of the game at least not intentionally. I mean bugs happen, its inevitable that someone will miss something somewhere sometime and what not. Doesn't mean you should just exploit it.

      Sun 2009/01/25 04:16:09 JST (ID #461328)
      reply to Zou's comment
  • Micchi
    Micchi in Toronto (Registered on 2008/09/18)
    Eroge blogger
    http://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/

    I currently play Mabinogi and have also played Ragnarok Online and other MMOs for many years. This is a recurring theme that I see in MMOs.

    It may partially be the programmers' fault for creating it and the GMs and testers for letting it pass by unnoticed, but people who take advantage of it are knowingly breaking the Terms of Service. It is not surprising to see many players break their moral code (if they had one, as there are many immature players, both age-wise and socially) and risk punishment in return for levels, equipments, bragging rights, etc. If there is a glitch or bug in the game, some players will find it and take advantage of it. This may partially be because just like in real life, status is an important thing and some people don't want to work for it.

    I am glad to see that at least one MMO has taken action against this. However, most MMOs and their GMs will either not be able to find and be certain of who abused bugs and glitches, or do not take action against them. This in turn sends a message that it's fine to do such things in game since it's highly unlikely that you'll be caught for it anyway. It's sad, but true.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:46:52 JST (ID #461215)
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  • Zell_ff8
    Zell_ff8 in Argentina (Registered on 2008/12/28)
    Student, Musician, PHP
    http://www.tojikomori.com.ar

    I would say it's ok to ban cheaters, but FFXI is a paid game, so, if Sony found users cheating, they should fix it ASAP and cut them the joke, no ban them.
    I would be really pissed of if I got banned from something I pay for. But, if it's specified in the ToS, well, screw up...

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:47:35 JST (ID #461216)
    reply to Zell_ff8's comment
  • Xcomp
    Xcomp in UK, Glasgow (Registered on 2008/12/01)
    http://xcomprandomness.co.uk/

    Ah, Final Fantasy XI... Best MMORPG I've played so far. WoW coming second.

    I think the ban's a good idea but I'm sure the damage has been done. I doubt they discovered it quick enough before that otherwise they wouldn't have had to ban that many people.

    They should spend some time trying to sort out the virtual money farmers too. Say put them all on a dedicated server to farm items and sell. A small commission goes to the developers themselves.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:49:00 JST (ID #461218)
    reply to Xcomp's comment
  • Daemonseed
    Daemonseed in Britland (Registered on 2008/05/06)
    Moe Hunter
    http://moehunter.wordpress.com/

    Any I've played, whether the companies fault (normally questionable) result in IP bans, not just account banning.

    I remember many cases of such duplicating bugs.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:50:23 JST (ID #461221)
    reply to Daemonseed's comment
  • Patrick Barron
    Patrick Barron in Michigan, United States of America (Registered on 2008/02/09)
    Grocery Store Clerk

    Cheater never win. I am surprised that the test have not fixed it sooner.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:53:27 JST (ID #461223)
    reply to Patrick Barron's comment
  • MigZm
    MigZm in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (Registered on 2009/01/16)
    Computer Science/Japanese Student

    Most MMOs have bugs but they also have rules saying not to abuse 'em.
    Don't think sony was wrong banning these players. They should know the rules. .-.

    Sun 2009/01/25 02:53:42 JST (ID #461225)
    reply to MigZm's comment
  • Cyberchaos
    Cyberchaos in Australia, Sydney (Registered on 2008/02/17)
    NEET part-time - Technical Support Officer - Network security engineer
    http://burugureibi.blogspot.com/

    What about those players who were oblivious to the fact that it was a bug and just thought it was apart of the game? Like some sort of strange bonus...

    I just feel sorry for that group of players

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:00:49 JST (ID #461229)
    reply to Cyberchaos's comment
    • Shinaru
      Shinaru in Australia (Registered on 2007/12/26)
      Freelance Illustrator
      http://furudango.com

      I find it hard to believe that you can be oblivious about duping items not being part of the game

      Sun 2009/01/25 13:12:31 JST (ID #461752)
      reply to Shinaru's comment
  • the great paul
    the great paul in heaven (Registered on 2008/03/14)
    pervert

    i play guild wars and the only banning i read/hear about is people using real money to buy in game gold

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:07:56 JST (ID #461235)
    reply to the great paul's comment
  • Patrick Tan
    Patrick Tan in Malaysia (Registered on 2008/09/13)
    Student
    http://cottondream.blogspot.com/

    i nvr play tis but..
    if the bug is sony's fault.. it's kinda unfair to ban players thou..
    unless.. the players' using those cheating programs, bots and stuffs..
    Duh~ it's like money dropping from the sky and u aspect people not to pick them? =_____=""

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:09:30 JST (ID #461237)
    reply to Patrick Tan's comment
    • XSportSeeker
      XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
      Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
      http://xspblog.com

      They had to do a sequence of stuff in order to use the exploit, and every MMO has bugs... that's why Terms of Agreement exist in the first place.

      Nowadays I'd say it's close to impossible to make a game completely free of bugs.

      Sun 2009/01/25 03:16:21 JST (ID #461255)
      reply to XSportSeeker's comment
      • Danny Choo
        Danny Choo in Tokyo (Registered on 2006/12/11)
        CEO MIrai Inc
        http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/

        How about tetris?

        Sun 2009/01/25 06:47:50 JST (ID #461476)
        reply to Danny Choo's comment
        • Quentin aka Q
          Quentin aka Q in Varies (Hong Kong resident) (Registered on 2008/01/06)
          http://quentinlau.blogspot.com

          Even Tetris has something for you to exploit. The blocks don't come randomly, and afaik those you tend to move about often before they drop down to the bottom tend to come more often accordin to some algorithms. Well at least that worked for the original GameBoy one.

          Sun 2009/01/25 10:05:53 JST (ID #461645)
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  • EZU
    EZU in a very boring place~ (Registered on 2007/10/11)
    discovering gravity and some other stuff.
    http://retrovsmass.blogspot.com

    Oh Em Gee... that's not really fair what Sony did D= it's their own fault. They should only ban if there was a warning of using that bug or something like that and they should have fixed as soon as possible.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:12:45 JST (ID #461246)
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    • XSportSeeker
      XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
      Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
      http://xspblog.com

      Terms of Agreement, and yes, they did warn too.

      Sun 2009/01/25 03:15:02 JST (ID #461253)
      reply to XSportSeeker's comment
  • XSportSeeker
    XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
    http://xspblog.com

    I say serves them right.
    And even more, I think Sony is great for putting Terms of Agreement above their greed for money... after all, they are loosing subscription money with this.

    It's very hard to make MMOs 100% secure and free of bugs these days.
    I dare someone to do an MMO totaly free of bugs and completely secure from hacks and exploits.

    That's why Terms of Agreement are made.
    So that all players can have a balanced and fair play, so no one gets unfair advantages using exploits and cheats.

    I don't really play MMOs, but I know how bad things can get with cheaters in FPSs and some other types of games, so I think what Sony did was right.

    People who cheat and use exploits have no consideration on how unfair that is to other players, and how that steals the fun of other people, so I have absolutely no pity for them.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:14:24 JST (ID #461249)
    reply to XSportSeeker's comment
  • Dynames
    Dynames in Miami - Florida (Registered on 2008/06/18)
    Graphic Designer

    O_O they deserve the ban im planing on playing FF11 again : any one in remora server XD i dont want to play all alone T_T

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:28:46 JST (ID #461270)
    reply to Dynames's comment
  • Ultimate Shogun
    Ultimate Shogun in A lonely, peaceful Island (Registered on 2009/01/10)
    Benevolent dictator of a Banana Republic

    The problem with online games is that the network protocol and client software is available for reverse engineering and manipulation. Whether a bug is abused and widely known, or exploited subtly by very few individuals, doesn't really matter.

    Sony or whatever company runs the game, has to save face when people get to see there's real cheating going on their virtual paradise of sorts...

    Then you have a business out of selling in-game credits, items, etc. That's already a good reason for cheating to exist.

    The only solution will be restraining the customer from messing with the client software, but as long as you run your network and your computer, it's a game over for them, and a cat n' mouse game for cheaters. Until Palladium or whatever DRM-style technology spreads among computer and software vendors... which will be a game over for everyone else (your computer won't be your computer anymore).

    I think it's fair to cancel accounts of users abusing bugs, but they should be more aggressive against subtle abusers as well, not just messing up everyone when the shit hits the fan!

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:35:36 JST (ID #461275)
    reply to Ultimate Shogun's comment
  • Rusting
    Rusting in South Texas, USA (Registered on 2009/01/06)
    Injured

    When Sony Online had Everquest 1 back in 1999 to 2000 it was full of all type of bugs. One was die while zoning where your corpse appeared in the next zone. One could die and zone like that and have a pile of corpses all with full gear I think it was. So in the end you could load up on bags and keep selling the gear which was mostly rusty and junk at the time to make some money in game. I had like +450 lag in the game all the time so never really got to play much till 2002 so its the best one I remember. I know there was a patch to fix it don't know if any one was suspended. I did it like 3x by accident because I never could get to my corpse alive as it was since I was so low level at the time so it wasn't intentional by me. Everquest 1 was loaded with bugs and glitches to the max prior to 2004.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:35:42 JST (ID #461276)
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  • suneo
    suneo (Registered on 2007/12/17)
    http://yuuwaku.wordpress.com

    Why would Sony have a hand in banning players? I would think it would be SquareEnix taking matters into their own hands. I'm pretty sure you meant to say Square instead of Sony lol.

    and I agree with XSport above. ToA are there to warn people against activities that are not allowed in the game (not that I read any ToA in any game I play lol). Knowingly manipulating an exploit to give yourself an unfair advantage over other players is most likely one of those activities, just as RMT farming and such is.

    I played FFXI for 3 or so years, and the only thing I used was Windower, and that was harmless...unless browsing the internet or chatting on im is somehow unfair to other players lol.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:37:29 JST (ID #461278)
    reply to suneo's comment
    • Kirakun
      Kirakun in Ipoh, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/06/02)
      Auditor

      that's what i thought as well
      i was like sony has nothing to do with this HAHA.

      I played FFXI for like 5-6 years and I approve on this ban lol.
      Exploiting a bug is a no no :p

      Sun 2009/01/25 05:15:48 JST (ID #461390)
      reply to Kirakun's comment
    • Danny Choo
      Danny Choo in Tokyo (Registered on 2006/12/11)
      CEO MIrai Inc
      http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/

      Ah yes - Square Enix not Sony ^^;

      Sun 2009/01/25 08:24:33 JST (ID #461571)
      reply to Danny Choo's comment
  • Danniel
    Danniel in your bathroom. (Registered on 2008/10/15)
    Student (lol rite.)

    Eck.
    That's pretty dumb.
    I also believe it's their fault for not noticing the bug..

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:37:38 JST (ID #461279)
    reply to Danniel's comment
  • Hidden Oasis
    Hidden Oasis in California, United Sates (Registered on 2008/10/28)
    College Freshmen

    I'm not into MMO's because I don't find it fun. I almost always stop before reaching level 20.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:41:03 JST (ID #461282)
    reply to Hidden Oasis's comment
  • simeke
    simeke in 98m above the sea level (seriously, I counted) (Registered on 2008/05/10)
    unconcerned & oblivious slacker

    Justice! Finally!

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:42:21 JST (ID #461283)
    reply to simeke's comment
  • Eva
    Eva in Singapore (Registered on 2008/05/18)
    Admin

    I find it quite incredulous there are people who think Sony put a duplicating bug in the game as some kind of strange bonus. Sony has to act and fast, since duplicated stuff destroys the work honest players put in. I only question why Sony did not ban them all, since the mechanic to duplication is specific and not something "innocent" people stumble into.

    Consider this: someone may be careless and leave the car running to make a quick errand. Someone else sees the opportunity and takes the car for a ride. Is a crime being committed here? Of course, the carelessness of the driver does not absolve the other person of any wrong-doing.

    Good game companies will take immediate steps to stop such game-breaking exploits. Lousy game companies will sit on their thumb and, when they finally get off their lazy bums, give a few light slaps on the wrist on a few offenders. That's why I keep away from Korean free-to-play MMoRPG, they are easy to exploit and the company is more interested in making a quick buck from the cash shop than managing the game.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:52:48 JST (ID #461292)
    reply to Eva's comment
  • Meimi132
    Meimi132 in Stuck in the void between the net life and real life. (Registered on 2007/12/03)
    Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
    http://meimi132.wordpress.com/

    Cheaters deserve what they get. I don't feel sorry for them, they should have known better, even if it was a glitch, you should know better.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:52:58 JST (ID #461293)
    reply to Meimi132's comment
  • jinstevens
    jinstevens in Portland, OR, USA (Registered on 2009/01/05)
    Blogger, consultant
    http://www.netharuka.com

    Game companies that run MMOs have to take cheating seriously. If they don't, they disenfranchise the majority of players that play legitimately. One of the appeals of playing MMOs is that it's harder to hack the code (though not impossible) and cheat your way through the game.

    I also cut Sony / Square Enix a lot of slack for not discovering this bug. You have a small but significant minority that will try to cheat just about every time. Some of the cheaters are very sophisticated and will run packet sniffers and traces to exploit communications between the client and main servers. Some of them will custom make bots that will automate the mundane harvesting that allows a character to accumulate in game currency. What's at stake is not only ego (real and virtual) but also sometimes real money in terms of using these tactics to farm gold and sell it for real cash.

    This in turn can have devastating consequences for the game since the availability of farmed gold not only ruins the economy for legitimate players but also scales up character gear (which is bought by farmed gold) to an extent that in game encounters are trivialized. This has a cascading effect of having the developers react by making the game harder, almost forcing legitimate players to buy farmed gold in order to compete. No game benefits from such a vicious cycle.

    The sad reality however is that banning seems to be a very poor deterrent to cheating since sophisticated cheaters have multiple accounts, use hacked accounts or have the means to restore their in game status very quickly.

    Sun 2009/01/25 03:53:39 JST (ID #461294)
    reply to jinstevens's comment
  • Lelouch Lamperouge
    Lelouch Lamperouge in ClovisLand (Registered on 2008/08/21)
    former Emperor of Britannia
    http://reflectiarx.wordpress.com/

    PRESENT!
    Currently, RF Online is experiencing DUPE item bugs and all sorts but the game distributor here in my country, LEVEL-UP-GAMES is not doing any crap to those kind of players.

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:05:31 JST (ID #461311)
    reply to Lelouch Lamperouge's comment
  • azn-n3ss-__-
    azn-n3ss-__- in Brisbane (Registered on 2008/07/28)
    大学生
    http://justaskeikaku.net23.net

    I don't really mind cheating but then again I haven't played an MMORPG that you need to pay for. In free MMORPGs there seems to be alot of people hacking - well in Maple Story at least XD

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:08:41 JST (ID #461315)
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  • MARl0
    MARl0 in United States (Registered on 2007/11/16)
    Graphic Designer

    No sympathy for the banned. Everyone who takes part in it knows that you can get banned for cheating. And really 550 users is hardly anything. For such a small number, you can bet that those users were involved in a heck of a lot more then just duping.

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:09:52 JST (ID #461317)
    reply to MARl0's comment
  • Salt
    Salt in Canaduh - Cube-ec (Registered on 2008/12/31)
    ♦College Student♦

    Didn't even know there was a FFO ... I'm late e.e; I like what they've done however. I've played several MMOs that don't take things like that seriously. Merely warning or "who cares, everyone's doing it". Of course, many of them will probably go back because they probably have several accounts and have their ways, but it serves them right. I've played far too many MMOs where abusing bugs/glitches and using hacks have been given the slip.

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:09:53 JST (ID #461318)
    reply to Salt's comment
  • kenjiharima
    kenjiharima in MOE LAND (Registered on 2007/11/28)
    Web Designer, Boxer, StreetFighter, Anime Collector and Gamer
    http://kenjiharima.blogspot.com/

    One reason to play casually on online games.

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:49:00 JST (ID #461347)
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    • GNdynames
      GNdynames in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2008/07/29)
      Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
      http://gndynames.wordpress.com

      I thought FFXI isn't an MMO for casual gamers (at least according to WoW players)

      Sun 2009/01/25 05:31:02 JST (ID #461404)
      reply to GNdynames's comment
      • Saku
        Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
        Wannabe Web Developer
        http://www.sakuafk.com

        You can play casually if you want to but most don't and get burned out and quit the game.I usually take a break once in a while so I don't get burned out.

        Sun 2009/01/25 16:26:43 JST (ID #461868)
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  • acq128
    acq128 in Sydney (Registered on 2008/11/19)
    Student

    i think cheaters usually have their way or get let off really easily in most cases as its in the interest of the game master/makers to maintain their audience and users. just requires alot of cleanup work

    Sun 2009/01/25 04:52:36 JST (ID #461356)
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  • Gibson
    Gibson in California (Registered on 2007/05/27)
    Student artist
    http://www.requestview.wordpress.com

    Its your fault if you get caught cheating, All I can say

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:08:50 JST (ID #461380)
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  • Minaru Chou
    Minaru Chou in Philippines (Registered on 2008/09/25)
    Programmer Trainee
    http://jointsareokay.blogspot.com

    Usually before you join these things they have a TOS (Terms of Service)

    and I bet it says that they are not allowed to take advantages of bugs like that.

    I don't have much experience with MMOs but I have been to Gaia Online, an RPG community with games and stuff. They also have that kind of rule. There are some glitches that can't be avoided (Getting too much gold from posting) but they are strict with stuff like using the gold with the MarketPlace..or something.

    It's really the player's fault if they purposely used the double item glitch to their advantage.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:09:43 JST (ID #461382)
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  • Zhar
    Zhar in Norway (Registered on 2008/10/12)
    Space Pirate

    We had something similar happen in EVE-Online not to long ago.
    70+ accounts where perma-banned, 178 starbases where destroyed and all offending corporations(guilds/clans) where shut down.
    Anyone who play or have played EVE will know that 178 starbases is a serious amout of isk, sucks to get them all destroyed, but I guess its just fair since they where exploiting bugs.

    Btw, if anyone here plays eve my ingame name is Akaahn :)

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:13:16 JST (ID #461387)
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  • kona.kona
    kona.kona in Singapore (Registered on 2008/10/15)
    Student
    http://konadora.wordpress.com

    I remember in Diablo 2, you would get a CD-key ban for duping items, by taking advantage of lag, and of course, using other means such as a third-party software. But doing so affects many people in many areas, such as the fall of economy (perfect runewords such as Enigma were sold for a price of a cake) as well as imba characters with all-perfect items >__>

    Basically, even if there is a bug, one shouldn't take advantage of it. If your server had security flaws, and people were hacking into your server just because 'you didn't do a good enough job covering up the flaw', then I'm sure you'd rage too.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:15:51 JST (ID #461391)
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    • GNdynames
      GNdynames in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2008/07/29)
      Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
      http://gndynames.wordpress.com

      My account got banned in WC3 TFT cuz some guy reported me for using maphack -_- (it was in some non competitive game too, since in DotA MH gets me more deaths than kills)

      Sun 2009/01/25 06:01:52 JST (ID #461428)
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      • kona.kona
        kona.kona in Singapore (Registered on 2008/10/15)
        Student
        http://konadora.wordpress.com

        Then the mods and admins are at fault for not properly checking... thought it was their standard procedure for Warcraft. Even in D2, those who acquired the items weren't banned, the ones who duped it were.

        Tue 2009/01/27 10:26:27 JST (ID #464297)
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  • Soul3ss
    Soul3ss in San Francisco, CA (Registered on 2007/07/21)
    The town drunk

    Lol... ah glitching... the "l337" players way of being "pro".

    Never call yourself a gamer if you use glitches/cheats in order to succeed in a game. A game is supposed to be challenging... period.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:19:55 JST (ID #461394)
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  • GNdynames
    GNdynames in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2008/07/29)
    Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
    http://gndynames.wordpress.com

    I remember a while back there was a bug with the T6 vender where people can get T6 Shaman sets for free or something. I think Blizz just removed all the T6 Shaman sets without banning the people who took advantage of it. But I think they did ban those extremists who bought tons for nothing and sold them back to vendors for money. Correct me if I'm wrong, it happened more than half a year ago.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:34:23 JST (ID #461406)
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  • Koji98
    Koji98 in Arlington, Texas (Registered on 2007/11/04)
    Your local Otaku Cashier.

    I think that they should have addressed the glitch sooner if so many people knew about it already, however the people exploiting it way before hand should have reported it instead of abusing it.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:34:33 JST (ID #461408)
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  • Blurmage
    Blurmage in Singapore (Registered on 2007/12/28)
    http://blurmage.blogspot.com/

    I play FFXI since NA release and apparently I gave up on this game since Dec 2007 as it took too much of my time. SE actually made a boss "Absolute Virtue" which was unkillable legally for like 2 years and they never fix it. During press conference, the game developer just said that the boss is working correctly and it's up to the players to find out.

    It was Aug 2008 when SE introduce a new boss "Pandemonium Warden" into the new expansion. The linkshell I was in "BeyondtheLimitation" took 18 hours to fight the boss until the final form. Apparently, there are 19 different forms and each took them 1 hr to kill provided nothing went wrong. More info on the fight itself can be read from the livejournal link below.

    http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17133.html
    http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/17366.html

    This sparked an outrage by the FFXI players criticizing on how SE make their MMO. To the players, having a challenging boss is great but needing 18 hours to defeat a boss?! Within a week after the 18 hours long fight, a maintenance was carried out to fix both Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium Warden so that they can be killed within 2 hours.

    As for those who got banned for duplicating items in game, I congrats them for having their life back. The droprate for the item is totally crap, I've went for like 100 over Salvage run and had not seen a 35 body dropped before. Not surprisingly players actually resorted to abusing a bug in the game.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:42:58 JST (ID #461415)
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    • Saku
      Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
      Wannabe Web Developer
      http://www.sakuafk.com

      Oh you are from BTL linkshell in Seraph ? :). I play in Seraph too ^^.

      Banned = getting their life back. Totally agree with you.

      Sun 2009/01/25 16:23:48 JST (ID #461866)
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      • Blurmage
        Blurmage in Singapore (Registered on 2007/12/28)
        http://blurmage.blogspot.com/

        Yeah I'm was from BTL, the longest fight I had was 9 hours fight with our 1st win against Tiamat, back in the days when the wyrm was 1st released. Was also around on our 1st 2 Absolute Virtue win before SE actually ninja-ed fixed it.

        Now I'm no longer playing FFXI even tho I'm still paying for my account. Currently playing WoW with the same old BTL members, in a less hardcore way of course. :D

        Wed 2009/01/28 19:33:37 JST (ID #465994)
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    • Yayu
      Yayu in Quiyota, Chile (Registered on 2008/02/27)
      Healer and Support

      I want to pick up this comment, as this is like the worst case of Fake Difficulty a game has ever seen, I wonder how the developers told the players about this boss "Hey, you people like difficult bosses? How about this: this boss is so difficult, that you can even end up in the hospital vomiting after you beat him!!!!! Isn't this really exciting?" Yeah sure

      Mon 2009/01/26 04:58:35 JST (ID #462560)
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  • Keigami
    Keigami in Alaska (the Snowy Hell) (Registered on 2008/12/06)
    Student of Computer Info. & Office Sys.

    FFXI has been struggling against a long, hard battle of RMTs (real money traders), it's one of the reasons I don't want to play anymore.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:46:34 JST (ID #461417)
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  • necrophadian
    necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
    -1
    http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

    serves 'em right. you are pretty much Sony's b*tch the moment you sign up and agree to their Terms and conditions. It's also pretty much the same situation to every MMO out there. Ignorance of the laws of the game is no excuse.

    Sun 2009/01/25 05:53:46 JST (ID #461422)
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  • Shockerz
    Shockerz in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Registered on 2008/10/12)
    Student
    http://shockerz.wordpress.com/

    At my early age I have been playing online for long hours. Damn! I hope I can regain those hours back of playing online game. It's really a waste of my time since I realize it. Yea!~ It's bannable if you were found cheating or hacking into the game to gain something.

    Sun 2009/01/25 06:16:18 JST (ID #461442)
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  • Andrei-kun
    Andrei-kun in California, USA (Registered on 2008/10/23)
    Student
    http://andreijournal.blogspot.com

    That's why patience is a virtue. For those who wait shall get supah ultra rare, even has more worth than dupli bugs

    Sun 2009/01/25 06:25:21 JST (ID #461452)
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  • lerry[maru]
    lerry[maru] in Kuala Lumpur, MY (Registered on 2008/09/14)
    Nekophilia

    I thought that was great. CabalSEA fallen cause of incompetent GM not banning money selling hackers. Grr.

    Sun 2009/01/25 06:37:23 JST (ID #461464)
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  • manga
    manga in Sydney (Registered on 2008/06/27)
    Student
    http://bk201.wordpress.com/

    Most online games have a rule that if you exploit a bug, you get banned. My friend got a week ban for exploiting a bug in WoW.

    Sun 2009/01/25 06:58:16 JST (ID #461486)
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  • General Noodles
    General Noodles in Malaysia (Registered on 2008/12/29)
    Otaku
    http://general-noodles.mybrute.com

    I clean my hand of MMORPG for good, take up too much time and commitment. Back to console gaming for me. *ex-player of WoW,RO,MAbinogi,Perfect World,SWG,FlyFF* Such soul sucking game MMO have been...

    Sun 2009/01/25 07:03:10 JST (ID #461488)
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  • soulfringe
    soulfringe in Sacramento California, United States (Registered on 2008/10/25)
    Delivery Driver | Semi-student
    http://www.soulfringe.com/

    I have been playing MMO's since Ultima Online back when I first went to college about 8-9 years ago.

    I was occasionally involved in some shenanigans back than.

    As far as the bugs go, it's not the fault of the company. They want to establish a fair play system, and there are many bugs and exploits that are not found, until moments like this.

    When you are dealing with games as massive as these, it's easy to miss areas, especially when they are because of some very unusual situations.


    And to clarify one thing, innocent people are innocent and not banned. But when you have a situation like this, it is VERY obvious they were taking advantage of something, they know not to do. Even if they don't know, they are still techically and legally responsible, as these games cover these areas in their EULA. When you click that OK, you are now bound by a contract that holds you responsible for such. If you come across such an oddity such as a potential bug/exploit, you are expected to report it, rather than abuse it.

    TO give an example of innocence, years ago in the game "Star Wars Galaxies" there was a MAJOR credit dupe, where massive amounts of in game money (credits) were duped by a number of players. These players than began handing it out like candy. Now everyone who had the duped credits in their possession were put under investigation. The people who were found to not have taken part in the actual duping, were not banned.

    People can cry all they want, and point fingers at the developers, but fact of the matter it's really nobodies fault. You can't always account for bizzare situations. If these bugs occurred without rhyme or reason on the most basic of situations, that might be put up to human error. But I don't think anybody anticipated Joe A to open trade while Joe B was in combat with Tuskan Raider X put in 10 trillion credits, walk forward 5 paces, jump 3 times, strafe left 3 steps while emoting /dance 4 and click cancel. (Ok, so that's not really the bug, but the situation is just as random as lot of the actual tricks)

    Sun 2009/01/25 07:15:50 JST (ID #461503)
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  • Saku
    Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
    Wannabe Web Developer
    http://www.sakuafk.com

    As an FFXI player, cheaters deserve to be banned. SE( Square Enix) does not take cheaters lightly nor those gil sellers. Any suspicious characters that involves in cheating or selling gil for $$$ which is more well-known as RMT (real money trades) will be banned after thorough investigation.

    Some list of players that got banned can be found at the following link: http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/ffxi-advanced-player-discussion/68852-r-i-p-players.html

    In case anyone wondering, the screenshot is a Chain of Promathia (one of FFXI expansion pack) Mission 7-5 agains Tenzen

    Sun 2009/01/25 07:47:13 JST (ID #461532)
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  • raptor_cZn
    raptor_cZn in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/12/12)
    Pre-U Student
    http://wakuwakusuru.zeroclipse.net

    Remember stuff like that happening back in the days when I played Ragnarok Online.
    There were plenty of bots(automated programs that would train your character) around. Though not all of them will get banned by the GMs since people would have to report them in since it would take ages to find every single on of them.

    Sun 2009/01/25 08:05:22 JST (ID #461554)
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  • aprilius20
    aprilius20 in Malaysia. Physically, at least. (Registered on 2008/10/26)
    Student, part-time Haruhi wannabe (that bit about godhood etc)
    http://www.aprilius20.com

    Sounds harsh. Then again, I don't play MMORPGs, so I wouldn't know. Wouldn't it have been better if Sony stripped those players of all their items and fixed the bug? Maybe force their game character to wear a chicken suit as punishment, perhaps?

    Sun 2009/01/25 08:23:22 JST (ID #461570)
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  • Hikaru Kazushime
    Hikaru Kazushime in California,USA (Registered on 2008/12/09)
    Otaku Social Media/Blogger/Event Coverage

    Wow that's really insane. Been playing FFXI online for 3 years, and THAT...is just really insane...

    Sun 2009/01/25 08:29:58 JST (ID #461579)
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  • Amiantos
    Amiantos in Illinois USA (Registered on 2007/11/30)

    I play FFXI myself and honestly the people who got banned honestly had it coming. They most likely knew the glitch and exploited it. This can lead to easy item obtainment and if the item isn't rare/ex can lead to price jacking which leads to mass inflation.
    I don't cheat and will never. I I'm at 9k carp out of 10k carp for the 2nd best fishing rod in the game.

    Honestly don't see why people are making a big deal this time around as each month they do a huge set of banings. Nothing new from previous months. FFXI is the only MMO I can really remember playing that has a 0 tolerance to cheats and exploits.

    Sun 2009/01/25 08:33:04 JST (ID #461583)
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    • Saku
      Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
      Wannabe Web Developer
      http://www.sakuafk.com

      Good luck. Lu Shang fishing rod is totally worth it ^^

      Sun 2009/01/25 16:12:34 JST (ID #461858)
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  • thebarrett
    thebarrett in California 死の金魚 (Registered on 2008/12/03)
    Gundam Pilot (in training)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Thebarrett

    i play FF11 so does my mom, o_o cheating is wrong but if they do it they should be ready to take the punishment, i have a 75 PLD on the Caitsith server, my mom has a 70 BLM on the Caitsith server, since the game is so hard i get frustrated at cheaters, i work hard camping an NM to get a special Rare/exe item like Bounding boots then someone who bought gil online buys boots exactly the same as the bounding boots and suddenly my hard work means nothing.

    Sun 2009/01/25 09:35:18 JST (ID #461629)
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  • hika
    hika in 蒼天の楽園 (Registered on 2008/07/05)
    SMS隊所属
    http://lightofthedawn.wordpress.com

    square enix is always banning people in ffxi.

    Sun 2009/01/25 10:49:10 JST (ID #461662)
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  • TeeCiel
    TeeCiel in Los Angeles, CA; Hong Kong (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Capitalist Consumer

    Actually, this particular 'bug' was known by SE for over 3 months and they didn't fix or put out a notice that it was indeed a bug. You can say that the particular sequence of actions to do something didn't make sense, but it only happened in very particular areas (replicating the actions elsewhere would not duplicate the drops), so it would seem closer to being a feature than a bug. On top of it, you only need to have 2 people in an alliance of 18 that actually knows about the bug, but you would still be banned just by being in that run with that alliance without ever benefiting from the drop or being aware it was a bug. The line between being banned permanently and being temporarily banned also seemed to be arbitrarily decided. For you WoW players, imagine being in an instance where your party leader does something out of your control and you don't even get the item drop, and yet you got permanently banned while the person who got the item drop gets temporarily banned. That's kind of how it is and why people are making such a big deal out of it.

    Sun 2009/01/25 11:05:13 JST (ID #461673)
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  • lightningsabre
    lightningsabre in Vancouver (Registered on 2007/08/30)
    Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 触手 wrangler, H-Man
    http://lightningsabre.blogspot.com/

    One of the more memorable MMO hack and punishment I remember from World of Warcraft was an exploit that lets you kill a boss that only appear once a week, but they were able to exploit it so they can fight the same boss over and over. When Blizzard found out, they took away all their equipments that they acquired from that dungeon. Kinda let'em off easy there, but fair enough punishment, I think.

    Sun 2009/01/25 11:17:54 JST (ID #461680)
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    • GNdynames
      GNdynames in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2008/07/29)
      Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
      http://gndynames.wordpress.com

      Oh right, the infamous 109289743 stacked Reckoning to one shot Kazzak was fixed in 15 mins. And then there was the 987435347 stacked Rampage that was also fixed shortly after.

      Sun 2009/01/25 23:56:45 JST (ID #462259)
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      • lightningsabre
        lightningsabre in Vancouver (Registered on 2007/08/30)
        Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 触手 wrangler, H-Man
        http://lightningsabre.blogspot.com/

        It was the Big Bad Wolf in Karazhan that these guys were exploiting. I'm sure there are a lot more than what we mentioned.

        Mon 2009/01/26 00:11:40 JST (ID #462269)
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  • Politsos
    Politsos in the sand realm of the beach (Registered on 2008/10/12)
    Student/Part-time Philosopher/Building a blog
    http://otakucy.wordpress.com

    My experience was quite fun. In world of Warcraft, you are allowed to roll a dice from 1-100. What i did was announce that u can bid 1-10gold and if u roll above 65 you get twice the money back. If you roll below 65, i get to keep the gold. Anyways i did this for about lets say 1 hour, made 350 gold ;p

    Bad thing was i got 48 hours banned for exploiting the community.

    Still was fun though

    Sun 2009/01/25 11:56:47 JST (ID #461713)
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  • Tami
    Tami in Germany - Düsseldorf (Registered on 2007/12/16)
    IT-Architect, SysAdmin, WebDesign and Coding, Virtualization (VMware + NetApp)
    http://www.milkdrop.de/

    Been playing MMORPGs for over 10 years now and as far i can tell cheaters were always scolded in some way.
    It's just not fair and thus that it does serve em right.
    Tho i think a suspension would have been enough for those who weren't catched with other missbehaviours before. o.-

    Sun 2009/01/25 12:15:04 JST (ID #461728)
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    • Saku
      Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
      Wannabe Web Developer
      http://www.sakuafk.com

      There are permanent banned and 3 days banned so not all of them are permanent banned.

      Sun 2009/01/25 16:14:09 JST (ID #461859)
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  • Henry
    Henry in /usr/bin/ (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    anime/cosplay events organizer
    http://www.cosplay.ph

    Exploiting a bug is a serious offense and exploiters deserves the ban.

    The players who found out about the bug should have reported to the developer for it to be patched immediately.

    Exploiting a bug is a form of cheating

    Sun 2009/01/25 15:09:22 JST (ID #461805)
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    • Heigen
      Heigen in Finland (Registered on 2007/11/12)
      Student

      Yeah, but they just wanted to be good at the game, I don't think it's a good choice for company to ban people for this, just fix the bug and delete their characters or the items.

      Sun 2009/01/25 15:46:55 JST (ID #461832)
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      • Saku
        Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
        Wannabe Web Developer
        http://www.sakuafk.com

        Everyone wants to be good at the game so in order to preserve fairness, banning is necessary and it's not like banning 550 people, SE will lose $$$ ^^

        Sun 2009/01/25 16:15:35 JST (ID #461861)
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  • Haruji
    Haruji in Kuala Lumpur (Registered on 2008/02/01)
    Software Consultant, Business Intelligence
    http://haruji.wordpress.com/

    Well to utlize a bug in the game is wrong, but it too harsh to direct ban and delete their character. Maybe a penalty is more appropriate, or a purge of some items and stuff or something.

    I read this news as well earlier, and there is a very high profile palyer that got deleted as well, and he has like tonnes of rare items collected and so.

    Pity that guy, must have spent years on his account.

    Sun 2009/01/25 16:04:58 JST (ID #461847)
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  • Saku
    Saku in Toronto (Registered on 2008/02/07)
    Wannabe Web Developer
    http://www.sakuafk.com

    That one high profile guy is Minidragon from Bismarck server and he has too many rare items like Ares/Marduk/Usukane/Skadi/D.Ring/Amano/Kikoku/Aegis/Apocalypse/Ghorn/Mandau/Mars's Ring/Ninurta Sash.

    The cost to get those items can easily exceed 1,000,000,000 gil ^^;. The guy took it as a sign to quit from his linkshell website: http://nineinchninjas.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=9090

    Sun 2009/01/25 16:19:56 JST (ID #461863)
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  • silentkey
    silentkey in Singapore (Registered on 2008/01/24)
    Student, Uncle & hopfully a good husband..

    Can't blame them..it was too tempting not to use the bug...

    Sun 2009/01/25 18:42:15 JST (ID #462002)
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  • Harts
    Harts in Estonia (Registered on 2008/06/02)
    Student

    Hmm, not so sure this was the right thing to do. Maybe they should have just fixed the bug and made the stuff created using this bug disappear.

    Sun 2009/01/25 20:20:45 JST (ID #462094)
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  • Abi-kun
    Abi-kun in Poland (Registered on 2008/01/06)
    a guy who cares (sort of...)

    Yeah... I experienced a ban lately but it was not my fault :(. Even though it was a very painfull blow to me. Some of the readers may be familiar with the online golf game called Pangya or Albatross18 in USA. I started to play this game on American server but I found that the Japanese version was much more advanced (Season3 instead of outdated Season2 in USA) and less crowded with rude and cheating Brazilians.

    Unfortunately my happiness didn't last long because closing of Brazilian server ended with a flood of those Brazilians messing the whole game up. Then Gamespot (Japanese distributor of Pangya) applied the global ban for all non-Japanese IP's. I couldn't play anymore so I've lost my intrest in Pangya for more than 1,5 year.

    Then suddenly in the middle of the last year I got an email from Gamespot with the announcement that they started a Season4. I was excited and wanted to try again but the ban was still on. I managed to get past through it using VPN server and my love for this game came in full power. I got a decent level, a new characters and even a nice equipment, that I couldn't even dream of getting on Albatross18. I also found a bunc of new friends to play with.

    My luck run out in the beginning of this year, when another closed server (this time in Taiwan) induced another flood of foreign players thet used the same method that I was using. The second IP ban closed the last remaining way to play on Pangya Japan and I was back to square one. I tried to get back on Albatross18 but it was a lousy experience, the rude people and cheaters were still there spoiling all the fun.

    I'm so pissed off that Gamespot treated all gaijin players equally, instead of blocking specific IP, but I guess that they find it too bothersome and decided to go in "isolation mode" like in the old times. Too bad that it hit all earnest and good players who don't have the chance to live in Japan...

    Sun 2009/01/25 23:50:27 JST (ID #462255)
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  • Faye
    Faye in California, USA (Registered on 2008/12/29)
    Student, health worker
    http://www.bitterbrownieprince.deviantart.com

    Ahh, I used to play that game all the time :/ There was an interesting glitch where you could run out of the boundaries of the Dunes (forgot the official name) and run PAST the sea. Quite interesting when parties where using it to pull the monsters away from other players.

    I'm not sure how I feel about some of the people who might have used that glitch on accident (if there were any) but the cheaters certainly deserve at least a bit of punishment.

    Mon 2009/01/26 01:33:29 JST (ID #462337)
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  • chuachuram
    chuachuram in ChuChu (Registered on 2008/06/16)

    2 words.


    Silkroad Online.

    Mon 2009/01/26 03:17:56 JST (ID #462409)
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  • MeltyBlood
    MeltyBlood in Classified Information (Registered on 2008/07/26)
    Com. Sci. Student

    so even in final fantasy online has this dupe item problem

    it is also happening in rf online philippines

    Mon 2009/01/26 06:53:21 JST (ID #462692)
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    • XeroVlade
      XeroVlade in Philippines (Registered on 2007/10/12)
      Full-Time Developer
      http://xero-vlade.deviantart.com

      Not to mention Ragnarok Online's problems.. well if you look at it almost all games from Level Up! are being abused..

      Mon 2009/01/26 11:52:07 JST (ID #463018)
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  • duffman
    duffman in the Urban Jungle that is Manila(PH)~ (Registered on 2007/10/30)
    Daigakusei [Consular and Diplomatic Affairs]
    http://dixinfernal.wordpress.com

    that's harsh squeenix, harsh~

    Mon 2009/01/26 12:03:25 JST (ID #463027)
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  • duffman
    duffman in the Urban Jungle that is Manila(PH)~ (Registered on 2007/10/30)
    Daigakusei [Consular and Diplomatic Affairs]
    http://dixinfernal.wordpress.com

    that's harsh squeenix, harsh~

    Mon 2009/01/26 15:20:29 JST (ID #463122)
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  • zer0ne
    zer0ne in CCK, Singapore (Registered on 2009/01/17)
    Otaku ^^

    I stop playing FFXI NA servers, when the game economies were too much for me handle. Then World of Warcraft appear, my love for MMORPG came back and I never turn back since.

    But for the matters above to ban players due to SQEx mistake, is too harsh. Just quit FFXI and play WoW. That will show SQEx who's the boss. =P

    d@@b

    Mon 2009/01/26 18:08:30 JST (ID #463258)
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  • drakanity
    drakanity in United States, CA (Registered on 2008/12/27)

    There was a lot of discussion on this, but I think what SE did was somewhat correct. Punishment needed to be handed out, but some did not deserve perma bans. The way they handled it was pretty random from what I read, so some of the more "innocent" (yea not technically innocent, but they were there helping; although they didn't obtain any items) players got banned, while others were not.

    However, there were actually 2 duping bugs. People have a case on one of them because the gear you can get is not able to be sold or traded, so all SE had to do was possibly delete their gear that they obtained through the exploit. It also takes a long time to get the pieces of the gear and the drop rates were pretty awful. So I see why players did some of this, although of course it isn't right.

    However, there was another dupe that allowed you to obtain multiple items that are one of the most expensive items in the game. People were selling them that could affect the economy, and people were getting mad rich. Those are the people who should have been perma banned.

    But SE doesn't exactly have the best customer service and they really

    Mon 2009/01/26 22:21:52 JST (ID #463476)
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  • Sanjo-chan
    Sanjo-chan in Chattanooga, TN (USA) (Registered on 2008/10/24)
    Proud Otaku and Part-time NEET
    http://centakume.info

    I used to play FFXI. I played for a couple of years, struggling to get a level from a decent group. I had a Level 46 RDM, 30 BLM, 25 WHM, and 20 SMN. I quit it for World of Warcraft. WoW is so much better than FFXI, but there are times when I would like to play again, especially with the new Level Sync...

    ...The only gripe I have about Square-Enix's Customer Service is their billing: If you reactivate your account at the end of the month, you will get charged for 2 months at once, unlike WoW. You would have to reactivate your account well into the month if you don't want to get charged twice up front. :/

    Tue 2009/01/27 11:57:58 JST (ID #464369)
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  • WiseFreeman
    WiseFreeman in DC Cloning Laboratory (Registered on 2007/11/07)
    Dance Trooper: DCX-001 O.D.E. (Order of the Dancing Empire)
    http://dannychoo.com.my

    if only I can understand & break all the codings inside the installation package~~~~~

    Wed 2009/01/28 11:01:44 JST (ID #465518)
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  • Neutrinos
    Neutrinos in Singapore (Registered on 2008/03/25)
    Engineering research
    http://kikenshisou.wordpress.com

    I might get flaked for this but i don't think it's the fault of gamers who exploit bugs. The bug was already there and not created by them, they only got lucky in the sense they discover it. =/
    As usual you have whiners who are venomously against anyone who can get an edge over them whether it's perceived to be fair/unfair to them. Suck it up peeps.
    Now if only i can get an exploit for the real world... =)

    Thu 2009/01/29 04:08:48 JST (ID #466483)
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  • Gradius
    Gradius in Brasil (Registered on 2008/07/07)
    IT Expert / System, Network, Security Administrator
    http://www.digitalanime.com.br

    I wonder how come users still play this dead game. I stopped in 2007 and it was too good so far, I'll probably never come back. SE's support SUCKS big time, so the company too.

    Thu 2009/02/26 04:25:07 JST (ID #502342)
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