Japanese Dolphins

Tue 2007/11/06 00:05 JST
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"Save the Dolphins, Save the World."

If you know what that phrase means then you will already know that sweet Heroes actress Hayden Panettiere went out on a limb (and nearly lost a limb) to try to save a bunch of dolphins from being slaughtered by Japanese fishermen.

You may have noticed that I avoid writing about politics or touchy subjects but this is one topic that I'm interested to hear your opinions on.
While I personally feel sorry for the dolphins, I also feel sorry for cows and other animals that get slaughtered for food. I've never heard of people protesting about the slaughter of cows or pigs. Acceptable to slaughter a cow but not a dolphin - what could the reason be?
I guess some of the reasons given could be "because not many people eat dolphins" or "dolphins are more clever" or "I prefer leather than PVC."

My cousin has personally seen a cow slaughtered back on the Isle of Wight. She said that the cow was crying but quiet as if it knew that it was going to get the chop. She was very young at the time and then became a vegetarian after.

Some humans put more value on a dolphin but some humans place that value on a cow which is a sacred animal in India.
What is your view on all of this?
Please keep discussion free of racism and don't attack anybody ^^;

A couple of video reports from the UK and US. The UK version seems more grim ^^;

Via Itai News.

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  • slvrkramer
    slvrkramer in USA (Registered on 2007/09/11)
    Student

    same thing i was thinking danny! although i do eat meat. i still think it's unfair just to protest on dolphins. if you want to stop dolphin slaughter, stop killing cows first... how long have people been killing cows or other barn animals... -_-; geez

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:00:36 JST (ID #62319)
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  • notfair
    notfair in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/08/14)
    Student, ACG Fans
    http://modvisc.blogspot.com

    it quite hard to make a comment for this, but I agree with slvrkramer. Cows,pig and etc didnt protect like dolphin, I believe it because of they can reproduce easier than dolphin and can breed easily not like dolphin, but if i choose i will choose not to kill both, but I'm eating meat also, so cant comment much ...

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:14:07 JST (ID #62322)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    Ok look, if your going to eat the dolphin. Have at. If your not, then cut it out (no pun intended).

    Seriously I eat meat, and I'm greatful for it. But what I don't condone is senseless killing of things when it is not a matter of survival.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:19:13 JST (ID #62324)
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  • homeless_homo
    homeless_homo in US (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    Student
    http://loliffect.blogspot.com/

    They cry like they care but once they start eating their meat, they soon forget.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:20:32 JST (ID #62325)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    P.S. If we thought Cows were cute-r than Dolphins, this would be a completely different story.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:29:07 JST (ID #62326)
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  • FatBastard
    FatBastard in over his head (Registered on 2007/11/04)
    Dirty Gentleman
    http://cantstanzya.wordpress.com/

    Depends which cultural society you were brought up in. In the west we're so accustom to eating farm bred animals since children we tend to think of them as just food. Especially since most ppl just see the end product in the supermarket. More exotic animals such as dolphin seldom ever gaze a westerner plate, thus they're seen as more special or real than just a slab of meat. I believe in Japan though they enjoy dolphin as sushi. In China my relatives will eat almost any animal if cooked right. So I believe its more of a clash of cultural ideology and upbringing than anything. Those fishermen probably thought 1) This white girl must be one of those crazy americans 2) This white girl would probably look cute in a cheerleaders uniform.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:41:40 JST (ID #62327)
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  • Gibson
    Gibson in California (Registered on 2007/05/27)
    Student artist
    http://www.requestview.wordpress.com

    Just cause a dolphine looks cuter than a bald eagle or a human... Just cause of looks that they want to save the dolphin sooo bad. They should listen to the song "How to save a life" i guess is stead of making their own song "How to save a life"

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:47:02 JST (ID #62328)
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  • FatBastard
    FatBastard in over his head (Registered on 2007/11/04)
    Dirty Gentleman
    http://cantstanzya.wordpress.com/

    Hey Danny, do they even show Heroes in Japan? Probably would since they have a Japanese character and substory.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:48:46 JST (ID #62330)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    I want to know what the hell this Hayden girl is doing in Japan... Oh shit, Heroes spoiler?

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:50:29 JST (ID #62331)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    Re: How Dolphin Meat Tastes.

    Dolphin Meat tastes like broken dreams.

    Mon 2007/11/05 23:59:59 JST (ID #62334)
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  • FatBastard
    FatBastard in over his head (Registered on 2007/11/04)
    Dirty Gentleman
    http://cantstanzya.wordpress.com/

    Bet it taste like chicken

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:00:47 JST (ID #62335)
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  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    If you have ever been in the presence of a dolphin you will see something beyond explination.. you will see burning intelligence in their eyes. A cows eyes are empty, devoid of that spark of intelligence. Its sad to see any animal die, regardless of the breed. Animals are innocent,and dont have humans capacity to lie. WE are the most dangerous, the most evil animal in the world. Not sharks, not lions, nothing even comes close. As beautiful as nature is, nature is death. All things in nature kill (I dare someone to argue that). Its survival of the fittest out there. I just dont agree with killing things that arent necessary. I think intelligence has a right to live.

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:04:10 JST (ID #62336)
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  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    Oh, and the reason Hayden was in Japan was because her boyfriend is a vegetarian and aparently talked her into it.

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:05:50 JST (ID #62338)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    DRAGUN: I agree with you 100%, but I think that if I we as Americans we raised on eating dolphin, we would really care about how smart they are, because we already have this preconseption of how they fit into our life, by giving us energy and what not. INSECTICE: I totally just pictured someone eating dolphin and crying at the same time. ROFL!

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:10:24 JST (ID #62339)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    Wow, so many errors in what I just wrote. I wanted to say that we wouldn't care how smart they were. PROOF READING FTW!

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:11:52 JST (ID #62340)
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  • WoLF-[x]
    WoLF-[x] in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/01/15)
    IT Consultant

    This is like the Korean eating dog debacle again. Well i'm not sure, but are dolphins endangered? If not, and Japanese still eat those mercury filled things....its their own problem.

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:32:38 JST (ID #62342)
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  • SHiN83
    SHiN83 in Australia (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Student

    I personally don't see how saving the dolphins will save the world.
    Maybe miss Hayden should go stop homicidal murderers from killing children in the US than cry so dramatically for dolphins that, do harm and kill humans.
    Putting animals before our own human problems is a bit weird since in the end, animals won't really give a shit about our survival and well being.

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:50:13 JST (ID #62347)
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  • AvatarStormBringer
    AvatarStormBringer in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/08/23)
    Webmaster

    It's more likely because cows are bred to provide milk and to be eaten.

    Tue 2007/11/06 00:58:37 JST (ID #62348)
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  • jonhohx
    jonhohx in adelaide (Registered on 2007/05/14)
    filmaker
    http://bigstick-freshturd-hotday.blogspot.com/

    ...thats why im vegetarian...

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:01:52 JST (ID #62349)
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  • oliphant
    oliphant in Sydney (Registered on 2007/01/10)
    Design Student
    http://totoro88.vox.com

    What the hell, I didn't know people killed dolphins. What do dolphins need saving from.. they're just happy and leap into the occassional net/plastic can ring? I only thought the whale issue was big.. I can't help but be wary when Hayden flies all her Califorian friends over to Japan to save some cute animals.. and the fact it was covered by SKY and CELEB TV. Is she a PETA advocate? Because I can't stand MEAT is HOLOCAUST campaigns.. at least whales are endangered.

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:15:06 JST (ID #62353)
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  • CyruzDraxs
    CyruzDraxs in Kelowna, BC, Canada (Registered on 2007/09/11)
    Web Design & Development
    http://www.nerdculture.org

    We have to eat -something-; if we kill less of something we'll just have to kill more of something else. It will stay that way until we can make synthetic equivalents with the same nutrition value and mineral structure.

    It sucks that we have to kill these things, but it's basically us or them. Vegetarianism isn't really a proper option as it is significantly lacking in protein, among other things, so it's not as healthy. That having been said; animal protein is known to give rise to various cancers.

    For a truly balanced diet you'd basically have to eat a whole bunch of almonds with every meal. Almonds are the only known protein with a high enough concentration to actually be able to reach a balanced protein level over the other minerals in it.

    There really is no 'ideal' diet--the closest ones to ideal require consumption of strange things that, if the diet was followed by the majority of the people on earth, would be no possible way to keep a large enough supply to fill the demand.

    I just ignore all the 'eat healthy' propaganda and eat whatever the heck I want. That actually tends to be one of the healthiest things you can do anyway, as the human body craves certain foods based on chemicals it needs that it recognizes a presence of in that particular food.

    When you are craving hamburgers you probably aren't actual craving hamburgers, but rather; you are craving protein and your mind associates hamburgers with protein first because of familiarity. Basically; try to eat a very wide variety of foods and your mind will better understand what it should and shouldn't be craving.

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:23:01 JST (ID #62356)
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  • achraf1989
    achraf1989 in morocco (Registered on 2007/07/07)
    student

    if its legal then i dont have a problem with it and in this case the slaughtering is completly legal but i think this just BS i mean there are millions of people dying around the world of war desease and famin why don't they protest about that

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:30:43 JST (ID #62357)
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  • Muji
    Muji in Sunny yet sometimes Rainy California (Registered on 2007/09/01)
    Occupation

    Drive up the CA-5 freeway and you'll see a slaughterhouse full of thousands of cows waiting to turn into somebody's steak or hamburger. It stinks so much there even when driving 100mph+ you swear your car can't avoid the stench. Poor cows even sleep on their own feces. Silly little ignorant celebrities and PETA lovers need to wake up and get out more often, instead of dwelling in their surburban homes riding around in their hybrid-SUVs.

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:39:17 JST (ID #62358)
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  • Sean
    Sean in San Francisco / Tokyo / London / Dublin (Registered on 2007/01/23)
    Video Editor / Sound Designer / DJ
    http://www.goodnessmusic.com

    Interesting - not sure this is too much of a big deal - I had raw horse last time I was in Japan and it was really good!

    Danny - could you please write more about politics or touchy subjects ?
    Why not?

    Tue 2007/11/06 01:39:39 JST (ID #62359)
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  • Henry
    Henry in /usr/bin/ (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    anime/cosplay events organizer
    http://www.cosplay.ph

    i respect all cultures even though they don't conform with mine

    "do what the romans do"

    Tue 2007/11/06 02:07:09 JST (ID #62360)
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  • Frost
    Frost in the Philippines (Registered on 2007/01/09)
    Owner, winterheim|hdd
    http://winterheim.wordpress.com

    I think it's more because dolphins aren't domestically grown animals like cows and swine which are "farmed" for the very purpose of food. I know exotic dishes aren't "farmed" but consuming them at a large scale without doing much to replenish what was consumed is an entirely different (and stupid) thing to do.

    Are dolphins smarter? I'm not too sure with that. I tend to think a lot of scientists, cooped up too long in their labs and water tanks, will bite any progress they get to keep their budget even if it hardly means anything to everyone else. So until I see a dolphin beat a genius in chess - no they're not smarter than most animals.

    Tue 2007/11/06 02:23:21 JST (ID #62362)
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  • Tiny Red Man
    Tiny Red Man in Tiny Red Dot, Singapore. (Registered on 2007/04/11)
    free lance otaku, full time Protector of Peace.

    i'm a vegetarian and i want to clarify something about some comments made below..

    1) vegetarianism is exactly opposite of what someone said to be as "significantly lacking in protein"..etc..The things that we vegetarians eat, if we cook and eat properly, surpasses the daily requirements for our body.

    2) Yes, most of the animals that we eat nowadays are freakingly mass produced. They are fed with the best chemicals and given shots of "chemical X" into their body so that they grow in rates 10000 times faster than in the past. so, put it simply: YOU EAT THE CHEMICALS TOO.

    3) the slaughtering process of animals are cruel. i've seen videos of it and it was terrible. something like those terrorists that behead hostages in front of the camera with blood spilling out and screams that go unheard.

    4) the part whereby why ppl protest over killing of dolphins over killing of cows: a) cows are easily mass produced as mentioned by someone (sry) b) there's more use to cows than dolphins c) dolphins are hard to catch (there's other reason..which i dunno)

    why there's more and more vegetarians:

    1) they realise that the amount of foood to get 1 healthy cow to be slaughtered and get around 1 kg of meat from it is enuff to feed tons of mouth from the dying ppl in rural areas.

    2) Health conscious. some Athletes are vegetarians too.

    3) save earth

    there's more to it..but...^^; that's all i know.

    Tue 2007/11/06 02:33:37 JST (ID #62363)
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  • メタルおたくmetalotaku
    メタルおたくmetalotaku in Holland (Registered on 2007/10/11)
    Working in a supermarket T0T
    http://dutchotaku.blogspot.com

    Personally i think its nonsense to think a dolphin deserves to live more then a cow, pig, chicken or whatever.
    To think of it i even think on the long term the way these animals are filled with chemicals every day living in a tight space being produced for slaughter isn't very nice and humane either.

    Why I'm not a vegetarian? I have been raised eating meat and I just cant miss it. I know its weak, but I'm grateful for the meat i get to eat while there are enough people in this world that don't get to eat at all.

    I also just love how these articles smash the dreams of 14 year old narutard girls that Japan isn't the perfect place indeed and that it's just a country with its own issues and problems.

    I'm sorry if I insulted anyone. Its not my intention.

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:19:15 JST (ID #62365)
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  • hendrik
    hendrik in jakarta,indonesia (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    student

    some dead lot will life, its the order

    so i don't give much damn about killing animal, just make sure they still can reproduce and save from extinction

    what could 1 dolphin do anyway? killing a shark?
    1 man could do nearly everything.

    major religious here: god destroy, god create, god deceive his creation to destroy something while he(/she) tell his creation to protect that something

    is there a god? or god create us, but we are independent?

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:26:01 JST (ID #62366)
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  • krapoutchat
    krapoutchat in tervuren, belgium (Registered on 2007/02/10)
    daydreaming

    Well : Ouam, Frost and Tiny Red Man summarize it pretty well...

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:46:21 JST (ID #62367)
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  • Elozt E. Elric
    Elozt E. Elric in Singapore (Registered on 2007/08/12)
    Engineer / IT Student
    http://elozt.wordpress.com/

    Seeing myself, I too disagree in the slaughter of dolphins. As mammals of the ocean, they're considered kind and gentle plus some are considered an endangered species or functional extinct species.

    Aside from that, having a phobia/allergy towards a majority of seafoods (except seaweed) I don't think I'm in a position to say much either.

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:49:55 JST (ID #62370)
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  • alrick
    alrick in Manila, Philippines (Registered on 2008/01/24)

    Well it's the order of things in the food chain, as long as the dolphins don't become extinct there's no problem for me

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:51:29 JST (ID #62371)
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  • Harima-kun
    Harima-kun in Spain (Registered on 2007/05/24)
    Physics student

    Biological reasoning should be enough:

    - Dolphins are mammals, no fishes, which have evolved by natural selection. In this sense dolphin slaughtering is similar to Chimpanzee hunting for getting food.

    - Cows, pigs and chicken are human driven species created after thousands of years of artificial selection for our own usage (food, fabric, etc....).

    The closer an animal is to the human species, genetically, the better we should treat it. No one cares to smash ants or spiders, but everybody feels it's kind of cruel to step on an ape's face or your dog genitals.

    Despite of this, people are quite contradictory because there are human slaughtering all over the place in the world and people and media don't care much more than when some dolphins or whales are killed. So these girls crying in these videos give an unproportional sadness to how HORRIBLE the world actually is. The same goes for the man who says "how can this happen in this time and age", he should be advised that this time and age is as horrible and bloody as any other in history as far as a world-wide global statistical behaviour is taken into account.

    So I think giving too much attention to some things and no care at all to others is just unproportional, incomplete and ignorant.

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:52:30 JST (ID #62372)
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  • ecam
    ecam in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/09/28)
    Project Engineer
    http://www.ahmadhisyam.com

    kukukuku, i do help in 'chopping' cows, chicken, goat and rabbits. So I don't mind if they wanna eat dolphin. Y not? dolphin also deserved to be eaten. Human do stand at the top of the chain except some of them got eaten by lion, tiger and snake.

    Do they sell kuma meat in japan? I think Japanese eat everything from the sea right?

    I also eat shark. Yep, shark fin.

    Lastly, the only thing that I cannot stand is human eating human. Now that is going to far in searching for meat. Like people said, "mmmm, taste like chicken"

    Tue 2007/11/06 03:57:59 JST (ID #62373)
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  • Dead Snake
    Dead Snake in Ngayogyakarto Hadiningrat (Registered on 2007/05/11)
    writing mini thesises
    http://kazenomise.net/

    hey...instead of protecting dolphins whose not even one race with humans why don't we protect our own kinds(human race as we know we all came from Adam which means the whole human race is like actually one BIG family)
    there still people starvin in africa, there are womens and children being killed in the middle east, HIV,ebola, nuclear threat,etc(I'm just mentioning the mainstream issues ^^; ).

    why not deal with them instead...after all, we are all humans

    Tue 2007/11/06 04:10:08 JST (ID #62374)
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  • Angry Gouf
    Angry Gouf in From a far (Registered on 2007/10/12)
    Techno-Freak

    I agree with DRAGUN in Arizona, USA.
    Intelligence has the right to live.
    Intelligence is what alows a life-form to understand that it has freedom of choice. Granted, it's not gonna make a choice like "I want a $25,000 car," or "I want a mocha latte". These are petty human things, their's would be more like "I want to eat that fish," or "I want that dolphin to be my mate," or MORE IMPORTANTLY, " I WANT TO LIVE." That freedom of theirs is being taken away, on top of that their being murdered. Granted, survival of the fittest, but there is one thing that humans and other intelligent beings have that gives us a chance to redeam our selves from the evils that we have comitted, COMPASSION. Those kids had true copassion there, the fisher man on the other hand, had none. If they were near dolphins and not feel a dolphins inosence, or even worse, ignore it, then they should receive no mercy when justice is brought to them, for if they do not give compassion, then they should not recieve compassion.

    And call me a radical if you wish, but i think these murderers should be destroyed. the system in that government may be protecting them now, but like all things, it won't last forever.

    Tue 2007/11/06 04:25:20 JST (ID #62375)
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  • Soshi
    Soshi in Waseda, Tokyo (Registered on 2007/09/15)
    Student
    http://basement.halfarenaissance.net

    I've got a question for the people who use "intelligence" as an 'excuse' to not hunt dolphins down.

    Are chickens, cows, pigs, etc not sentient beings too? Frankly, a dolphin could be potentially more 'intellgient' than the average human being. Does it mean then, that they can kill us for food?

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:09:40 JST (ID #62378)
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  • Insectice
    Insectice in Sydney (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Unemployed bum

    All the people supporting the dolphins make it sound like these Japanese fishermen had nothing better to do one day and decided to kill a bunch of dolphins. The problem with these kinds of people and those surfers is that the think that stopping the killing at the abbattoir(sp?) is going to solve the problem. Don't lobby to have dolphin hunting ban, lobby to have dolphin meat banned. And before you do that, give those fishermen (hell, the entire *fishing* village) something else to make money from.

    Also, I still haven't found someone who can tell me what dolphin tastes like. I might import some canned dolphin and have some on crackers. I bet it tastes like whale.

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:11:46 JST (ID #62379)
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  • samurai138
    samurai138 in Ohio, US (Registered on 2007/07/05)

    This is what I think also I like when danny doesnt touch on these subjects.

    1. So are the fishermen killing them because..
    A. For food.
    B. The dolphins are eating a lot of their catch in their fishing grounds.
    Sorry if they said something in the videos i didnt have time to watch them due to it being 10 minutes before school.
    So if they are killing them for food thats fine. If they are killing them because they destroying the fishermen fishing grounds thats fine. I say this because they lose money because of that and if you need to feed a family or even themselves i sure you would do it.
    Also I hate how we call a celeb a hero because they did something like this. A hero is someone who either does something more heroic like fighting in a war and dieing. Not saving an animal. Once again I like when danny doesnt touch on these subjects.

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:18:44 JST (ID #62380)
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  • ngee_khiong
    ngee_khiong in Kuching, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/05/16)
    Student
    http://ngeekhiong.blogspot.com/

    I don't support killing dolphins for food, mainly because they are endangered animals. If we continue to kill them, they will be extinct and our children and grandchildren can only see them in the museum.

    I don't discriminate between the lives of cows or chicken or dolphins. I believe there's an intrinsic value to the lives of every living thing in this world, no matter how small they are. But cows, chicken and other livestocks are not facing the danger of extinction. As a matter in fact, their number grows as the demand for them increases. Dolphins on the other hand, continue to be hunted down even when their population shrinks day by day.

    With global warming getting worse now (courtesy of us human beings of course), animals in the wild must be protected at all cost because their living environment is becoming harder and harsher. In a way, I believe we owe it to them: we destroy their homes for our own benefits, we must take good care of them as compensation.

    Anyway, we call ourselves the most intelligent beings on this world right? Then why do we need to be like our ancestors during the Stone Age hunting for food in the wild, when we already have plenty in our farms?

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:21:44 JST (ID #62381)
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  • Huk
    Huk in SG (Registered on 2006/12/24)

    The Japanese fisherman DUN hunt doplhin for food, they murdered them cos they said the dolphins compete for the fishes.

    If u search the past reports and videos, you might be lucky enough to digout old footage which the fishermen round out the dolphins, club them to death and then just threw them away.

    Not that I really give a damn if one day the world has no more dolphins, just that those vivid dolphins killing vids/images which I seen when I was young have a rather lasting impression.

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:24:55 JST (ID #62382)
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  • Setsuna-san
    Setsuna-san in Selangor, Malaysia (Registered on 2007/07/06)
    VF-25 Pilot. Universariate Scholar.

    hmm. touchy this topic is...
    IMO, it is alright to kill any animal as long as it is necessary for the survival of the human race.
    I also find it hypocritical that people could be concerned enough about whales and dolphins but they will happily eat cows or chicken. I mean, if you want to treasure all life, then by all means go ahead and become a vegetarian.Cows might not be intelligent but they are a life form nonetheless.

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:25:58 JST (ID #62383)
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  • Insectice
    Insectice in Sydney (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Unemployed bum

    I'm also out of ideas. I love how the second video called this whole thing a drama. I think that's a great way to sum up how a stunt like this will be seen in the long term.

    Danny, get back to posting hilarious Japanese inventions, or more figures of girls sitting on the can!

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:27:26 JST (ID #62384)
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  • Kuu
    Kuu in 初音島 (Registered on 2007/08/12)
    学生

    'It is so brutal, so cruel'
    I snorted when he said that. Who is he to portray the Japanese fishermen as that? No wonder they were furious as hell..

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:30:05 JST (ID #62385)
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  • GundamJehutyKai
    GundamJehutyKai in Foundation II Stellvia (Registered on 2007/09/12)
    Service desk support
    http://lookingglass.kokidokom.net

    I never understood the reasoning behind most animal rights activists. Still don't.
    The way I see it, those ppl value the life of an animal over the life of a human and that's just wrong.

    Some call for human testing to take over from animal testing and I just find that sick. There's alot of animal testing which benefits a lot of people but the activists only focus on the testing which is harmful and ultimately pointless, like makeup testing and whatnot.

    I guess it's similar to private vs state schools in the UK. Everyone is anti-private until they have kids of their own to send to school. Unfortunately, there's nothing which could get an animal rights activist to see things from another perspective.

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:55:46 JST (ID #62388)
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  • hendrik
    hendrik in jakarta,indonesia (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    student

    oi dead snake, u indonesian?
    i think we should help our race from poverty, corrupt government, and those stupid college riot'er that been happen around indo ^^

    Tue 2007/11/06 05:58:06 JST (ID #62389)
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  • hendrik
    hendrik in jakarta,indonesia (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    student

    o, also, i think most primate mammals including us is the most violent 1

    i've seen chimpanzee canibalizing the weaker chimp's in discovery channel. they eat the prey brain.

    Tue 2007/11/06 06:03:58 JST (ID #62390)
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  • Insectice
    Insectice in Sydney (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Unemployed bum

    That's nothing. Look for info on a chimp called "Frodo", who, as an intelligent mammal, stole a woman's baby and tore to pieces, not for food, but for fun. So don't use the words "intelligent" and "innocent" in the same sentence.

    Tue 2007/11/06 06:11:23 JST (ID #62392)
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  • Kaori Lolita
    Kaori Lolita in Singapore (Registered on 2007/04/18)
    Student Nurse
    http://kaori-lolita.livejournal.com

    I personally feel that people should respect all forms of life, no matter what. In fact some humans are such bastards they are way below animals. Those humans are the ones who ought to be slaughtered and fed to the animals. I think animal rights are really important, I really hate it when helpless animals get abused/tortured.

    Tue 2007/11/06 06:25:34 JST (ID #62394)
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  • Alafista OTAKU
    Alafista OTAKU in Singapore (Registered on 2006/12/25)
    Policy & Research Officer
    http://www.alafista.com/

    That was exactly the same thing I told my family when I saw the news on TV. I was saying you'd never see some environmentalist trying to save some snails or save the cows. Its always save some cute furry animals.

    At the same time I also admire people who stick to their cause. For instance, my mom is a vegetarian and doesn't even want to kill a cockroach. She would try to catch it and throw it away instead.

    Tue 2007/11/06 06:31:10 JST (ID #62395)
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  • hendrik
    hendrik in jakarta,indonesia (Registered on 2007/05/31)
    student

    #insectice
    i've read the frodo article
    wow, fight to the throne.

    now that's what i called "brute"

    this is the link if someone interested:
    http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0304/feature4/online_extra2.html

    Tue 2007/11/06 06:49:33 JST (ID #62397)
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  • Karl
    Karl in TEH Philippines (Registered on 2007/10/26)
    Student/Evil Overlord

    IMO, I really don't mind the killing. As long as it is REGULATED and will not bring the species to its knees (Be included in the endangered species list) I think it should be allowed. It's been the fishermen's livelihood anyway so I guess as long as it's not illegal there's nothing to stop them.

    Sometimes, I myself also don't understand them animal rights activists. We're the dominant species on the planet, that's a fact. We didn't survive by just eating veggies you know.

    My 2 cents.

    Tue 2007/11/06 07:03:52 JST (ID #62398)
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  • coeli
    coeli in Philippines (Registered on 2007/08/25)
    PM
    http://thepoopsies.blogspot.com

    I don't really mind the killing at all. I find it hypocritical that people react to animals being killed just because they aren't "normally" killed for food.

    I guess it's also because of the fact that I butchered a chicken for food when I was in the 4th grade that I don't really care much as long as they don't go extinct or something.

    Tue 2007/11/06 07:44:49 JST (ID #62403)
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  • Chuck Gaffney
    Chuck Gaffney in Selden, New York (Registered on 2007/07/28)
    Anime Store Owner, artist, Web master
    http://www.chucksanimeshrine.com

    I don't like the killing but I would be lying if I said I didn't like to eat beef, pork, turkey, chicken, fish and lamb. Its a tough issue.

    Tue 2007/11/06 07:47:31 JST (ID #62404)
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  • XSportSeeker
    XSportSeeker in Brazil (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
    http://xspblog.com

    It's a complicated issue that's somewhat like religion.
    Sometimes people will go over the edge doing stuff like that.
    Environmentalists will also use the nastiest strategies just to try to gain some attention sometimes.
    (see the latest acusations against Apple's iPhone, and how every now and then they will "recruit" famous people to gain some media attention, which probably was this case)

    The thing is, our beautiful but naive actress giving a show there probably don't know how many whales and other animals were sacrificed for her to put a make-up.

    That's only for starters.

    If we truly stoped killing all animals, society would just come to a stop.

    There's a reason we are here today, with all the technological advances and everything else.

    But anyways, also part of our developed way of thinking and perceiving the world around us, is empathy. And because of it, we can't help but feel sorry for animals who will die for our benefit, specially if you're not a fisherman, and only receive the already processed results from the killing.

    But see, the actress CAN do something about that. She can give money to the fisherman so they can sustain themselves without having to take dolphins lives.

    Can she do that? What's more valuable to her? And to us?

    People gotta ask themselves those questions too. Fishermen doesn't kill dolphins because they like too, or because they take pleasure in it. They do it as a way of living. And they don't even profit much from it too.

    Tue 2007/11/06 08:11:51 JST (ID #62408)
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  • Nello
    Nello in Belgium (Registered on 2007/10/31)
    Student
    http://www.freestylevoetbal.be

    Like you say Danny, a cow is in the western world just a stupid animal while a dolphin is closer to humans. I'm sure that the amount of cows being slaughterd in Japan (and many other Asian countries) is by far smaller then in Europe and North America. So if they eat less meat, it's not a surprise that they eat more fish and thus hunt down whales and dolphins. But I don't know if they really pay attention to not extermine certain types of whales and dolphins.

    Tue 2007/11/06 08:16:10 JST (ID #62409)
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  • zie
    zie in Arlington,VA USA (Registered on 2007/01/09)
    freelance

    Hard subject I wont lie that i enjoy eating meat but. I would not like to see that animal die infront of me. In my home land its coming to kill the pig and chickens live in the family homes to help prepare the meal. I cant pass judgement on what animal lives and dies in order for us to eat. I guess we have to understand each other and our cultures.

    Tue 2007/11/06 08:19:58 JST (ID #62410)
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  • howie huang
    howie huang in Toronto, Ontario (Registered on 2007/07/21)
    Student

    I just wrote an essay on the "animal research" issue (which is similar to the same issue presented in Danny's post) for my psychology class...

    Personally, the sympathy and personal conscience are what make us feel unwell when we see animals getting killed. But hey, from a very extreme Darwinian Evolutionary point of view, it's nothing, it's just what organisms do. They do things to make sure they have the highest chance of survival and highest rate of reproduction success. No humans are born vegetarian.. it's their nature to kill cows, chicken etc. because that's just part of the food chain. You mess up with the food chain then you are basically done. Simple as that.

    So, as for killing dolphins, I'm not sure what those Japanese people do with dead dolphins (eat them?..), but it's merely a fact that we are higher order organisms: we're atop the food chain (or web or whatever you call it). I'm not saying massive killing of dolphins are right, in fact they are wrong and they disturb the food chain as well, I'm just saying there's no morally right/wrong for killing a dolphin from that perspective.

    Tue 2007/11/06 08:23:23 JST (ID #62412)
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  • OMNI Strike
    OMNI Strike in Glasgow, UK (Registered on 2006/12/24)
    Aero-mechanical engineering student

    ill just summarise since i typed a whole comment but thanks to my stupid internet it just got deleted:

    1. Someones livelihood is at stake. People can't make others jobless because they see something wrong which other people may see as right.

    2. I am just presuming but have the Japanese not eaten dolphin meat for years???? Does that not mean it is a part of Japanese culture. Who has the right to change a culture which is not theirs????

    3.I agree with what others say. If dolphins are to be protected from slaughter then so should every other animal. its a dog eat dog world. if a human doesn't eat the dolphin it will probably get eaten by something in the sea.

    4. The images of dolphins and whales getting cut up saddens me aswell but i just accept it as a part of japanese culture and another mans wages. The only reason dolphins should be prtected is if they face extinction or if they are being killed for no apparent reason or even harmed for that matter.

    the list could go on and on with arguments for and against.

    Tue 2007/11/06 09:20:37 JST (ID #62416)
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  • hao
    hao in US (Registered on 2007/08/31)
    game developer

    A lot of commenters are saying killing dolphins are no different than killing other animals for food, because we are on top of the food chain/natural selection, etc. Which makes me wonder why is it wrong to commit murder or cannibalism. Is it simply and arbitrarily because the victim in those cases would be of the same species or because we can empathize with the victim because we know human beings think and feel alike, or because the social impact of those acts if they are permitted. I am guessing the reason is a little bit of all the above and a lot more. The argument of natural selection along makes it ok to kill something is oversimplifying the issue.

    Personally I'd like to think we are against murder and cannibalism for alot more than "selfish" reasons. It has been scientifically proven that dolphin is one of the smartest mammal besides human. While I have trouble empathize with cows or pigs, I can't help but think dolphin share a lot of emotions we have. I guess that's why killing dolphins is a lot more controversial to me and many others.

    Some people are dissing the actress for using her power to contribute to what she believes in. I think what she did was admirable. People are so cynical now days anything a celebrity does is viewed as a stunt with ulterior motives.

    Finally just want to clarify, I love eating meat and hate veggies, so I may not agree with what the actress did and what she did certainly won't change my mind, but it does make I think a lot more about the issue.

    Tue 2007/11/06 09:31:24 JST (ID #62417)
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  • Hachiko
    Hachiko in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (Registered on 2006/12/26)
    Student
    http://arudesu.animeblogger.net

    Pretty sad, I sheded a tear when watching it on the news on the other way. Makes me think why this is happening.

    Tue 2007/11/06 09:51:32 JST (ID #62418)
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  • nunks
    nunks in Sao Paulo, Brazil (Registered on 2007/09/14)
    Programmer, Student

    I think the problem in killing dolphins is the risk of extinction... You breed cows for food, but dolphins are killed in the wild.
    So I say "kill both, as long as they are bred for it"... :P

    Btw I never ate dolphin meat, lol... is it tasty?

    Tue 2007/11/06 10:05:20 JST (ID #62420)
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  • xjaymanx
    xjaymanx in Vegas, baby! (Registered on 2006/12/29)
    Technical Writer/Editor, Designer, Collector, Artist, Nice Guy
    http://www.xjaymanx.com/toyboxx

    Sorry for the late arrival (Vegas time zone!), but for years it's been clear to me that "appearance" -- whether cuteness or human-likeness or other anthropomorphism -- determines the value of animals.

    Regardless of endangered lists, not as many folks mind consuming those ugly turkeys and pigs. But if it's a "pet worthy" puppy, kitten, or "majestic" eagle, horse or dolphin, then for the most part, keep your hands off.

    Of course, you'll always see actors, musicians and celebrities trying to "save the world" to make/show/feel themselves more worthy of fan praise beyond acting or singing ability, but that's understandable. Recommendable. While at the same time, the average wage-earner is likely too busy earning wages.

    P.S. But here's a question: When someone invents an totally artificial "food-stuff" that doesn't kill animals or plants ("slaughtered" could be interpreted as an anthropomorphic term, too), will people still enjoy it? =)

    Tue 2007/11/06 10:05:46 JST (ID #62421)
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  • jep'ray
    jep'ray in Los Angeles, Ca. USA (Registered on 2007/10/11)
    Grease monkey

    you know its something that is done and has been done in Japan for countless years, we dont have people from India coming to the US and making a stink of us going off and eating their cow gods...but as much as i like dolphins, the rest of the world should butt out of it...its what they know and have done for generations...we have no right to look down on another culture just because it doesnt match our culture or mind set.

    Tue 2007/11/06 10:11:38 JST (ID #62424)
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  • Nai
    Nai in Hungary (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    IT

    People dont want to slay dolphins because they are tend to be 'cute', and cows are not.

    Tue 2007/11/06 10:27:26 JST (ID #62426)
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  • rakushu
    rakushu in Mexico (Registered on 2007/09/10)
    Leecher
    http://tokyo-selection.blogspot.com/

    I believe that none of them should be killed, they are living beings and they should be treated with respect, people who kill them should be treated the same as garbage

    Tue 2007/11/06 11:03:13 JST (ID #62428)
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  • CrazyAnimeTuga
    CrazyAnimeTuga in Portugal (Registered on 2007/01/02)
    Student
    http://animestuff.wordpress.com/

    It's something that's been happening in japan for ages, I don't approve it but its interesting how people care about them and forget that here, Spain and latin america there are bull fights and I don't see any international news channel coming here and making a report about it.

    People just make these reports because dolphins are cute, they appear on movies, commercials and all sorts of crap and cows or bulls don't. Why? Because the western world has spent hundreds if not thousands of years eating cows and not dolphins thats one of the reasons, there are more.........

    Tue 2007/11/06 11:13:08 JST (ID #62429)
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  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    Danny, thank you for posting such a touchy subject. I think if nothing else, it makes people realize things are happening in the world around them, that life is not just Otaku and happiness (which makes me appreciate happiness more when it happens).

    The truth of all this is that dolphins DO care about human lives. Many times dolphins have helped save sailors or fishermen from drowning, also attacking sharks that come near them. It is well documented. Dolphins ARE intelligent, they are one of the only animals in the world that play "tag", and "pass the seaweed".
    The biggest thing here is comparing dolphins to DOMESTICATED ANIMALS. You CANT as they are completely different. Dolphins are NOT mass produced and grown worldwide, they are turning into an endangered species, just like Whales. These are WILD animals, like elephants or lions.. the sea is the wild. If we continue to kill wild animals that dont have a chance to reproduce as fast as, or faster than we kill them. Then they will not longer exist. I agree that evolution, and survival of the fittest is the way of life... but it doesnt mean we cannot have compassion as a species to try and save animals that do NOT have to be killed for us to survive.

    samurai138: A hero doesnt have to save everyone, just doing one thing right at a time is more than most of us do.

    Tiny Red Man: It is well documented that without suppliments (pills) vegetarianism is lacking certain vitamins and proteins that are necessary in the human diet. I never have understood why people think killing plants is okay, but not animals. Its still killing, its still murder. Plants hurt when they are cut or killed, they actually scream (even though its beyond our ability to hear without machines).

    SHiN83: read above, dolphins do care about humans, and have protected them before countless times. (google it)

    Anonymous Coward: Agreed.

    Vallen Chaos Valiant: Bias towards dolphins is not racism. Its spe·cies·ism: discrimination in favor of one species, usually the human species, over another, esp. in the exploitation or mistreatment of animals by humans. I guess we are all guilt of this then arent we? You mention that dolphins kill their own, so are not considered intelligent... so... humans do not kill each other? Should we not save other humans from death because we are not worthy as a species of saving? ... maybe we arent

    Tue 2007/11/06 11:13:09 JST (ID #62430)
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  • SHiN83
    SHiN83 in Australia (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Student

    DRAGUN: I guess you conveniently "forgot" to google for the times when dolphins harmed people.

    Tue 2007/11/06 11:43:17 JST (ID #62432)
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  • don
    don in Minnesota USA (Registered on 2007/10/22)
    Engineering Student

    The reason it makes more sense to protest the consumption of dolphin meat is because it is easier to get a consensus on this issue. This has to do with how once you agree with someone, you are more inclined to agree when that someone brings up a similar point. Dolphins are basically then first step. At university, I see people protesting animal cruelty issues every week.

    It makes sense for people to ask for a ban on dolphins because more people would support this than a ban on beef for example. Considering how a ban on beef is so improbable, a celebrity protesting beef would totally waste their influence and possibly be considered a bit loony.

    I personally don't think I can survive without meat. However, even if you do consume meat you can lessen animal suffering by reducing your consumption.

    Tue 2007/11/06 11:57:45 JST (ID #62433)
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  • syrix
    syrix in U.S. (Registered on 2007/03/21)
    student
    http://animesugoi.animeblogger.net/

    If you go by a "time basis" standpoint, you would notice how much longer its been that we were raising cows to be slaughtered and eaten compared to dolphins. Humans are on land and cows are on land, humans learned to tame cows much earlier than the dolphins. This was so that we could eat cows and gain the protein we need in our diet to survive. With time, humans have learned how to raise cows to produce the most out of it and make something out of it, dolphins on the other hand are more recent. So technically by this logic, dolphins and cows will be raised and slaughtered as time goes on. Dolphin meat will be integrated into culture and no one will care to save the dolphins. I voted for cows and against dolphins for now, but maybe in the future that will change.

    Tue 2007/11/06 12:21:48 JST (ID #62434)
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  • Hayden
    Hayden in London, UK (Registered on 2007/01/06)
    Custom Pc Builder, Muppet, Pyromaniac, Demolitions Expert, Guitar Slinger,
    http://myspace.com/dyingoblivion

    OK - I voted No.3 - 'NO to killing either'

    It shouldnt be like that at all but then again people need to eat & mot cows if not born & bred from milk then are for the plate. I cant agree with the slaughter at all but such is life. not many of you will agree but we as humans have no choice in the matter.we cant all be vegitatians. & also most vegitarians that i know will still eat FISH. which is still classed as MEAT. any..back to having no choice in the matter. somepeople need meat in their diet to make them work. men even more so, especially those who do a lot of intensive labour work. like a fine tuned engine thats running on petpl fumes & not petrol = meat = high in energy = catalyst.

    & about dolphins...their cute but its their 'Iconic' status which makes people not want them to be killed. which I call 'Swimming-With-Dolphins' syndrome. one of the many things that people want to do before they die is swimming with dolphins not 'walking-with-cows' (unless you get to shoot one up with a gun of your choice) what does a cow do asside from eat grass & sh*t all over the place??? not very appealing to somebody whose days & hours & minutes are numberd. but like James May said (those of you who have sky /Cable Tv & can watch Top Gear will know waht im talking about) "People say dolphins are so clever but not once have I seen a dolphin reverse engineer an E-div

    Tue 2007/11/06 12:24:14 JST (ID #62435)
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  • McNally
    McNally in Oxford, Mississippi, USA (Registered on 2007/08/28)
    College student and soldier
    http://cadet-mcnally.livejournal.com/

    This is merely my own opinion and nothing more, but it's generally considered more okay to kill and eat cows over dolphins for the following reasons:

    1) Cows are and have been raised just for that purpose. Dolphins not so much. And because cows are being raised for food, they're pretty plentiful; dolphins are a protected species in most places. Though I suppose one could make the "enslave the whales!" argument here (if we start raising an endangered animal for an exploitive purpose, we'll have a lot)

    2) Dolphins are intelligent. Cows are not.

    3) This is just an uneducated guess, considering I don't know for a fact, but I'm going to assume that cow tastes better than dolphin.

    4) A cow never starred in its own TV show. You wouldn't eat Flipper, would you?

    Tue 2007/11/06 12:46:00 JST (ID #62437)
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  • necrophadian
    necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
    -1
    http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

    Kill em 'all i say...

    They're all just a bunch of animals. Humans are the dominant predators on this planet unfortunately and while we may squabble and argue about the ethics or morality of this issue we cannot ignore the drive or impetus that we as a species have to conquer, dominate and enslave or exact our will upon the helpless. Hell, its what took us from throwing rocks and spears at mammoths to landing on the moon and oogling at anime figurines. And now it has brought us to screwing around with Flipper and his crew.

    seriously though, what was this bitch thinking? how did she expect to "save" this dolphins with no guns, no weapons,and with not even a freakin boat? ah...the self-righteous Hollywood imbeciles.

    Tue 2007/11/06 12:59:10 JST (ID #62438)
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  • necrophadian
    necrophadian in a transitionary phase of existence (Registered on 2007/04/22)
    -1
    http://necrophadian.blogspot.com/

    ....and another thing, this might be straying from he issue but why is this girl pledging her support for ANIMAL rights and not for HUMAN rights? There are a ton of really screwed up things happening to poor, starving and desperate PEOPLE in situations you couldn't bear to be in scattered around the planet and what is she doing? Shedding a tear for Flipper. Nice....

    Tue 2007/11/06 13:08:56 JST (ID #62440)
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  • Hayden
    Hayden in London, UK (Registered on 2007/01/06)
    Custom Pc Builder, Muppet, Pyromaniac, Demolitions Expert, Guitar Slinger,
    http://myspace.com/dyingoblivion

    McNally, sorry matey but im going to have to agree to disagree with your comment if you know what I mean....

    Sure cows have never had their own tv show. but that doesnt mean anything at all.

    you remember the tv series Lassie??? about a dog? well in certain parts of china they eat dogs. so since when did fame have anything to do with it?

    to some people the animals which have awards probably taste alot better lol

    Tue 2007/11/06 13:18:54 JST (ID #62441)
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  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    @SHiN83, I didnt "conveniently forget" anything. I have never heard of dolphins attacking humans (except to hump them) and would be interested to read up on this. It would add to my knowledge of the world and possibly change my opinion. I am not against new evidence that may or may not support my opinion. So thank you for the insight.

    @necrophadian: Danny doesnt like it when you are sexist or swear in the post, so try saying something like B__ch, or so on. Im sure others would appreciate it also.

    Tue 2007/11/06 13:50:45 JST (ID #62442)
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  • S_Mario
    S_Mario in Mexico (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Student

    In my opinion, they are interfering with the Japanese Culture, think about that they don't have many cows and they have to look for other type of resources to feed themselves (The Sea). Although I don't like seafood, so probably I won't eat dolphins in my life, I feel i have to respect the culture. What would we do if someone disagrees with us, and try to stop cow killing.

    Killing for food is natural, humans do, and animals do. It's natural, but as humans developed compassion for animals, it's just harder to accept.

    Tue 2007/11/06 13:56:11 JST (ID #62443)
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  • mikenogo
    mikenogo in Toronto, Canada (Registered on 2007/11/05)
    Digital Painting artist

    They are just animals, Although slaughtering too many will screw up our food chain. I don't see anything for dolphins or cows and the alike have any other purpose but to be eaten.

    Tue 2007/11/06 14:02:33 JST (ID #62444)
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  • t3h Dave
    t3h Dave in USA (Registered on 2007/07/30)
    Student
    http://t3hdave.wordpress.com

    Originally, I would've something like "oh those poor dolphins, they shouldn't be killed" but then I realized that you are right, what about cows. The Japanese are using the Dolphins as food at least, right? As long as the killed animal is being put to some good use, then I believe it's fine.

    Tue 2007/11/06 14:13:50 JST (ID #62445)
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  • DRAGUN
    DRAGUN in Arizona, USA (Registered on 2007/08/22)
    Design Consultant

    @t3h Dave, actually these dolphins were being killed because they were eating the fish that the fishermen were trying to catch. They were clubbed and thrown back in the water.

    Tue 2007/11/06 14:36:41 JST (ID #62446)
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  • enix
    enix in ドイツ - ゲルマニ (Registered on 2007/04/06)
    トレイニー: アプリケーション開発者
    http://www.lukas-kowalski-info.de

    I voted for "okay to kill cows but not dolphins" although I think they are equal. BUT the difference is that cows are cultured or bred (or what the right word is in English lol), while WILD dolphins get killed. In these days humans can breed horses, pigs, cows, chickens and even culture bacteria and so on, so that they don't have to interfere with wildlife. So why don’t they start to breed dolphins for the purpose of getting food? That would be okay in my eyes. But right now it's just hunting down wild animals... I'm not going out to shoot squirrels just because I want to eat them. Of course everyone would scream murderer at me than…

    Tue 2007/11/06 14:44:54 JST (ID #62447)
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  • NeoEdo
    NeoEdo in USA (Registered on 2007/07/18)
    Graphic Designer

    I'll make a quick comment just to agree with a few of the posts here...

    "Mind you own culture and country"

    I mean I'm half Puerto Rican. Around Christmas when I stilled lived on the island, we ate off a pig rotating above a flame. Its tradition. Part of the culture. I don't see a "safe the pigs" campaign.

    India protects cows. But where is the "safe the goats campaign"...etc etc etc.

    I respect every countries traditions and cultures. Thats how they've been doing things, and it annoys when others want to force them to be a way they are not.

    "Can't stand the heat? Get your ass out' the kitchen", you know.

    Tue 2007/11/06 14:54:27 JST (ID #62449)
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  • Hwang
    Hwang in England (Registered on 2007/04/05)
    Student of all things

    I can understand the reasoning behind wanting to save a more "intelligent" animal. However it does seem to me slightly hypocritical to try and defend one animal and not others, they are all living creatures after all. I hope they didnt go down to the local KFC after that :P

    Having said that if i was given a choice id pick the dolphins everytime.
    You certainly cant question her motives and it was pretty brave of them all to try it, especially since it seemed at one point in the video the fishermen where trying to spear them instead of the fish

    On a more serious note, Hayden is very pretty, id like to save dolphins with her more often.

    Tue 2007/11/06 15:16:43 JST (ID #62452)
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  • skankywonders
    skankywonders in California (Registered on 2007/08/09)
    Student

    Cows : Yes

    Dolphins : No


    That is all I have to say for this article... *total silence*

    Tue 2007/11/06 16:22:43 JST (ID #62455)
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  • 3den
    3den in Takasaki City!! (Registered on 2007/03/16)
    http://hotxchick.blogspot.com/

    from wat i know alot japs donno wat kinda fish they are eating.they just eat.

    recently there is a news about dolphin meat contain alot mercury...but yet..loook like alot of japs dont give a damn about it.
    it seem like it is not a big deal.
    where in my country if it is poluted the gov will ban the fish.
    yet in japan, the gov seem like also dont give a damn.

    maybe they like mercury.

    it is not ok to eat dolphins bcoz they gonna extinct.

    Tue 2007/11/06 16:53:35 JST (ID #62458)
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  • shippoyasha
    shippoyasha in NYC (Registered on 2007/06/10)
    NEET

    I lived in Japan for a while but I never really heard of a market for Dolphin dish, so it's strange why they bother. Maybe they use it to sell its extract and oils rather than as a gourmet dish.

    Also, I do think it's a bit worse to put down a dolphin since it's near extinct. Cows, far from it. Also society in general has accepted cultivating cows. For dolphins though, it's not regulated a lot of the times (yes, that includes the outright piracy that many Japanese fisherman tends to do for risque hunts).

    Really, there is a huge illegal fishery industry around the world and Japan happens to be one of the worst offenders.

    Tue 2007/11/06 17:55:06 JST (ID #62461)
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  • COLORSUCKER
    COLORSUCKER in Interstella 5ecret 5tar 5y5tem (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    Electro/Dance Musician, DJ
    http://www.myspace.com/colorsucker

    Once more!

    Senseless Killing = Bad Bad!

    Killing To Survive (For Food, Self-Defense)= GOOD GOOD!

    That's how I see it.

    Tue 2007/11/06 18:01:02 JST (ID #62462)
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  • Hue
    Hue in Califronia (Registered on 2007/07/31)

    Ok..... Well killing cows i accept because we domesticate them, while dolphins are wild and slowly become extinct. Right now I think killing dolphins isn't right, but in the future if they decide to domesticate it, then it's alright. On the side...... who really eats dolphins?....

    Tue 2007/11/06 18:29:35 JST (ID #62469)
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  • Barsona
    Barsona in Bay Area, California (Registered on 2007/08/03)
    NEET (no, student, AND employed min. wage)
    http://otterhangar.blogspot.com/

    wait we (I am japanese) eat dolphin? Or we kill them because they drive out fisheries? B/c depending on which, my opinion does vary.

    HOWEVER, population dynamics and ecology... Let nature takes it's course, rather than human intervention

    Tue 2007/11/06 18:49:24 JST (ID #62476)
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  • marvin
    marvin (Registered on 2006/12/24)
    http://www.marvinryan.com

    my mom had the same experience with watching a cow being slaugthered when she saw a kid, and she never ate beef ever since.
    regarding the Dolphins, I think its more of an emotional attachment that prevents us from wanting to slaugther and eat them, which would probably be the same as why people wouldn't want to eat their pet dog.
    btw did anyone know that when you eat tuna, chances are the fishermen killed a few dolphins to catch that tuna. Schools of tuna would often swim above dolphins (probably for protection from other predators), so when they net up the tuna, dolphins often gets caught along with them, and inadvertently suffocates or gets crushed from the weight of all that tuna.

    Tue 2007/11/06 19:45:50 JST (ID #62489)
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  • SG
    SG in 英国 (Registered on 2006/12/28)
    Art/Media
    http://sgallen.wordpress.com/

    "Save who?, save the world...?"
    I think she went in a wrong approach?

    I personally would choose a simpler route to save them, rather choosing something thats harder. well, harder work will give you a better achievement feeling and such, but taking a easier to save dolphins is faster and effective.

    And.. ARE THEY POACHING Hayden? lol... quick .. save the cheerleader" save the dolphins...

    Tue 2007/11/06 19:57:18 JST (ID #62492)
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  • Barsona
    Barsona in Bay Area, California (Registered on 2007/08/03)
    NEET (no, student, AND employed min. wage)
    http://otterhangar.blogspot.com/

    hey danny, at times when I post, I get transported to this url

    http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp?ipaddresses=67.103.35.179

    what is this?

    Tue 2007/11/06 20:41:52 JST (ID #62502)
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  • alucrid
    alucrid in Pennsylvania (Registered on 2007/09/20)
    Student

    Well if anyone took time to read it isn't just about saving dolphins. "The hunts have continued despite scientists warning that they are unsustainable and that the dolphin and porpoise meat is contaminated with toxic chemicals such as mercury and unfit for human consumption." So I know I wouldn't want mercury poisoning.

    Tue 2007/11/06 20:57:16 JST (ID #62507)
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  • Johno
    Johno in San Antonio, Texas (Registered on 2007/07/09)
    Student, Tech

    It's hypocritical to say it's not okay to slaughter dolphins, but it's ok to slaughter cows. I would understand if the dolphins were being killed for no reason. Some people just don't understand certain situations and act blindly upon it. That's my opinion anyway.

    Tue 2007/11/06 21:14:54 JST (ID #62513)
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  • AvatarX
    AvatarX in Land of long white cloud (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    banker

    to Gorm in London:
    You are talking about Orca, not dolphin I believe. Plus, there are always conflicting accounts on just about everything; I wonder whether you have seen the documentary which showed a couple of orca actually pushed a baby seal back to safty after they realised they had enough to eat...

    And, what about the numerous accounts of dolphins saving human lost at sea? If you are wounded in the sea with sharks circling you, you have much better chance to survive if there are dolphins nearby, because they would ram the sharks and try to keep sharks away from you, in the process often seriously wounding themselves...

    Tue 2007/11/06 22:05:50 JST (ID #62521)
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  • JaydenM
    JaydenM in Holland (Registered on 2007/09/12)
    sleepyhead

    I have to admit that i have more problems with dolphins that get killed then cows.
    Dolphins do save you when you are drowning in the sea.
    They help with handicapt people. Programs that allow handicapt people to swim and interact with dolphins.
    So they also give therapy.
    I think its ungrateful of humans to just killed them so brutally.
    Because the ones that have been caught won't be killed in a nice way.
    Cows do have it better now. People get the choice to buy products that are bio-friendly.
    Cows that can walk free in the fields and get a less stressful death.

    And Danny, the reason that cows are holy in India is because the usefulness of them.
    They work on the land, give milk and you can even use their poo.
    Thats why the hindu think cows are holy. They think gods live in them.
    But they also think that rats and monkeys are holy.
    So who in their right mind is gonna kill a cow if they are a big help in the poor hindu life.
    I have Hindu gens. I don't feel like one.
    I was taught not to eat cows.
    But now that i'm older ( and can think for myself) , i do eat a cheeseburger sometimes.
    And cows in India are different than the ones over here.
    Plus the Hindu's don't eat the meat...but they do like their bmw with lether....

    Wed 2007/11/07 01:23:23 JST (ID #62539)
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  • Briant
    Briant in USA (Registered on 2007/08/04)
    Student

    Never heard of people eating dolphins like regular meat...odd

    Wed 2007/11/07 01:39:12 JST (ID #62542)
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  • Gundam Otaku
    Gundam Otaku in Tropical Singapore (Registered on 2006/12/30)
    Student
    http://marianto.deviantart.com/

    Both videos are equally grim. Be it cows or dolphins, they are both living things and we humans do not have the rights to take their lives. The only thing that differentiates us from them is that we are a species of higher intelligence. Humans tends to act on thoughts rather than on instinct.

    And we sometimes takes these thoughts for granted. These killings would never stop as long as humans are around. Even with emphasize on education and laws about conservation, it would only reduce but not stop these killings.

    Think of it in another perspective, its just like downloading bootlegged materials, no matter how the government enforced laws to stop it, it just have to take somebody from a corner of the world to come up with something to continue the trend.

    Our intelligence sometimes gets the better of us. Its best to just let mother nature takes its course.

    Wed 2007/11/07 01:56:18 JST (ID #62546)
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  • Angry Gouf
    Angry Gouf in From a far (Registered on 2007/10/12)
    Techno-Freak

    I know how we can help nature, KILL THE FISHER-MEN!!!!! HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!!!!
    Mind you I'm being serious.

    Wed 2007/11/07 02:14:46 JST (ID #62548)
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  • Angry Gouf
    Angry Gouf in From a far (Registered on 2007/10/12)
    Techno-Freak

    I have heard that dolphins can be jerks sometimes, but that's becuase they have an intelligence that's closer to a human's, so it's only logical that they would have psycological faults similar to ours. So, in a metaphorical sense, the fishermen are killing humans, or at least something that's like a human, something that deserves the same respect as a human. Or at least how humans should be respecting each other, but that doesn't happen a lot in this world sadly enough.

    Wed 2007/11/07 02:20:21 JST (ID #62549)
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  • farrroarz
    farrroarz in Brunei Darussalam (Registered on 2007/08/05)
    Student

    A tough question to answer. But for the Japanese to eat dolphin meat and other aquatic animals are their nature. Due to their geographical terrain, it's hard for them to rear farm animals anyways, so they turn to the seas to supplement their nutrients (That would explain why they would even eat octopus and jellyfish). Another reason is that, I think that the Japanese culture has links to fishing. Or so says my lecturer.

    Wed 2007/11/07 02:24:02 JST (ID #62550)
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  • 13th_Itachi
    13th_Itachi in Cape Town/RSA (Registered on 2007/10/23)
    works for that company...

    Err its ok to kill Cowlz.Ther not somelake mammals or thing.they dont eat lake meat.so dolphins eat meat lake sharx.and dont lay eggs.making them less ok to eat.apparently they have casual maiting habits lake other mammals who eat more meat.Lake us.And isnt that chick on the far right on Heroes?

    Wed 2007/11/07 06:06:16 JST (ID #62566)
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  • ふぇんりる
    ふぇんりる in 日本の関東 (Registered on 2007/09/03)
    引きこもり

    そう難しく考える必要は無い気がする。食べれるなら食べる。食べたいから食べる。日本はそもそも海洋国家だから、海の生き物は大抵食べる。寿司の種類を見れば理解して頂けるかと。ちなみに鯨(くじら)と比べて海豚(いるか)を食べるのは、日本では一般的とは言いがたい。鯨は最近売れ残り気味で、居酒屋やコンビニ等でも容易に手に入る。あとアセスメントの「捕鯨を禁止されてから」と言うのはガセ。海沿いの一部地域では昔から食べていた。食べる為に動物を殺すのは人間の生活に必要不可欠な行動だから、その対象に知能が有るとか無いとかそんなどうでもいい話は賛同できないかなと。自分的見解。

    Wed 2007/11/07 07:04:19 JST (ID #62575)
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  • 13th_Itachi
    13th_Itachi in Cape Town/RSA (Registered on 2007/10/23)
    works for that company...

    Sorry about that!!my wording came out COMPLETELY WRONG!!as cruel as it sounds.Joe public would prefer the Mass slaughter of our Bovine friends apposed to that of Our beloved Seaworld performers...Something about how Cowlz cant balance beachballs on their noses???

    Wed 2007/11/07 07:07:25 JST (ID #62576)
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  • 13th_Itachi
    13th_Itachi in Cape Town/RSA (Registered on 2007/10/23)
    works for that company...

    THe blonde on the Far right..she's that chick from Heroes right???

    Wed 2007/11/07 07:37:36 JST (ID #62579)
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  • Sakari
    Sakari (Registered on 2007/06/19)

    Bah, I think its quite ridiculous how they make such a fuss about the dolphins being killed in a cruel way. The sky report isn't very objective either.

    I'm sure the farmers would protest if you went to film at a chicken farm or anywhere else where animals were being killed in vast numbers and kept in awful conditions. As to why they would cover the slaughterhouse up? Well if I worked nearby I would prefer a white canvas to whatever eyesore lay behind.

    I don't want to make an opinion on whether it's right or wrong, but I think the way the whole thing is presented is extremely biased.

    Wed 2007/11/07 09:29:20 JST (ID #62601)
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  • D_Blade
    D_Blade in Montreal (Registered on 2006/12/31)
    Non-profit org. volunteering work addict

    If I could live without being dependent on taking other lives (animals but plants also), I would do that without hesitation.

    Guess dolphins and bovines (and other farm animals) don't have the same uses, are viewed differently and don't get the same treatment.

    What about whales then? Are the Japanese allowed to hunt them because there are no marine farms?
    I am against whale hunting, but I don't have any real reason for that.

    The most revolting point to me is that we don't kill animals when we need them (fish, porcines, bovines, etc. but also wildlife). We sometimes do it for mass production and it is also about pointless slaughtering when you don't buy this steak or that pack of sausages. Some kill for fun and trophies (worse even to my eyes).

    This is horrible when I think of all that, but I don't think boycotting really does something. Kicking the crap out of inconsiderate hunters and fishermen, now THAT would be pretty effective.

    Wed 2007/11/07 10:08:41 JST (ID #62613)
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  • Otaku Blue
    Otaku Blue in London (Registered on 2007/05/12)
    Student
    http://www.otakublue.wordpress.com

    My simple opinion is that dolphins are animals too. I like animals but, nothing makes dolphins so special that "illegal" to kill them to save your livlihood. And Hayden's reaction and crying were so over the top, seriously... I don't want to sound mean but...thats what i think. However, I think what she did was a damn brave thing to do ^ ^ I respect her for that. And the fact she plays an awsome character in Heroes.

    Wed 2007/11/07 11:40:19 JST (ID #62622)
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  • BeLe
    BeLe in Davao, Philippines (Registered on 2007/01/03)
    .NET/Web Developer
    http://scrumptious.animeblogger.net

    I think it's ok to kill both for food and such but we humans should probably do it in moderation so as to keep the species existing. And I would say the same for every other animal or resource out there. It's our world anyway and what we do with it will affect us greatly.

    Probably the only reason these dolphins are getting the special treatment is because compared to cows, there numbers aren't really that many.

    Wed 2007/11/07 14:05:21 JST (ID #62635)
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  • GunDude
    GunDude in Mars (Registered on 2007/09/05)
    Bounty Hunter

    Why hunt dolphins when there's plenty of cows to eat? I'm not against hunting for food if you have no other means of getting it, but this is not the case here. These animals are being hunted for the sake of satisfying tastebuds rather than for survival - this I find unacceptable. I propose that we hunt the hunters as well as that little PETA actress there, and turn them into soylent green and other delicious ingredients for frozen microwave dinners. Recyling is the way to go, and it should start with people. ;)

    Wed 2007/11/07 14:55:52 JST (ID #62642)
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  • Hayden
    Hayden in London, UK (Registered on 2007/01/06)
    Custom Pc Builder, Muppet, Pyromaniac, Demolitions Expert, Guitar Slinger,
    http://myspace.com/dyingoblivion

    @Otaku blue: Would you like to swim with a dolphin??? oh sorry we already turned him into sushi, you can sit with 'it' & also inhale all the herbs & spices that went went into but please do not try to swim on the plate. the only swimming that mofos going to do is in some ones digestive system in a sea of gastric acid.

    excuse me? my reaction & 'crying'???

    you either want to eat it or you dont. some vegetarians call themselves vegetarians & still eat fish where as there are those vegetarians that are so hardcore that they wont drive through places with names that have some reference to meat. Such as Totten'ham', Rotting'ham', County Dur'ham'

    I think that YOU are taking this way to seriously my friend

    Wed 2007/11/07 15:53:34 JST (ID #62643)
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  • hssc
    hssc (Registered on 2007/10/29)
    student

    1) there's 20X more cows in this world than dolphins - about 70% live in India, contributing to the increase of methane amount and global warming.

    2) dolphins are more intelligent

    3) dolphins are not domesticated and bred for being slaves to humans, which cows have been for the past half millennium - they are also a key-stone species to the aquatic environment, keeping fish population in check

    4) main reason: Japan says that they have passed a law "banning" extreme whale-hunting, but claims that dolphins do not pertain to that law... wtf? I'm sure that they are just as endangered and valuable... are the Japanese so barbaric that they desire DOLPHIN MEAT as part of their supper every Saturday?

    Wed 2007/11/07 16:58:29 JST (ID #62653)
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  • Calintz
    Calintz in Earth o_. (Registered on 2007/11/07)
    Bounty Hunter
    http://firetiger59.deviantart.com/

    Its not which animals we choose to protect over others. Its the fact that we should stop mass animal slaughters. Pita protests against every kind of animal slaughter. Ofcourse not everyone chooses to get up and 'make a difference.' Most of us just disagree with this act of violence (or any animal cruelty, for-that-matter), but don't lend a hand against the cause.

    I mean, everything that Pita does isn't considered news worthy. The only reason that even made it into the media is because they had a TV star there with them. There have been Japanese Dolphin fishermen for years, and people have always (probably) protested against what they were doing. The only reason we're even having this conversation is because the issue had to be brought to us. Most of us (I'm guilty of this myself) never gave any effort to researching whats going on with Dolphin fishermen and how we could possibly stop them from continuing their hunt: Protest against their buyers or stop buying any product by their buyers.

    And then there came the rant... :D

    And about cows: Their a danger to our environment, but who's at fault for that? Us, humans, for mass breading. YAY, waste of food source!

    ...LONG O_O

    Wed 2007/11/07 18:23:08 JST (ID #62664)
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  • Danny Choo
    Danny Choo in Tokyo (Registered on 2006/12/11)
    CEO MIrai Inc
    http://www.dannychoo.com/profile/eng/

    That was a great discussion. Many different opinions and a few facts that I didn't know too.

    Wed 2007/11/07 18:31:59 JST (ID #62665)
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  • mad n1nja
    mad n1nja in Ohio; & Hong Kong (Registered on 2007/08/26)
    High School Student, College student, Part-time Ninja
    http://random-asian.blogspot.com/

    These are wild dolphins. Cows that are destined to go to your stomach are raised in captivity.

    There are people who do protest against cow slaughtering. One group is PETA.

    But slaughtering both are bad because both get kill. But don't kill any of them will disrupt the food chain.

    We have to kill some animal for food. But we must do it conservatively. We can't kill too much or they'll get extinct.

    One could set up small dolphins farm like what they do with cows or pigs. So at least the wild one will be safe. The captive one will be control and have a steady production rate.

    Wed 2007/11/07 21:02:31 JST (ID #62711)
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  • AvatarX
    AvatarX in Land of long white cloud (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    banker

    let me try to convince you from a completely human-centric and selfish angle, maybe this will work.

    Two of the biggest reasons why we should try not to massively decrease the population of any single specie (or even cause extinction):
    1. the concept of gene pool
    2. chaos theory

    gene pool:
    every species on earth potentially share some genes with human, some more some less. it has recently been discovered that we human has one exactly same gene as mouse does, by tinkering with this gene, we can make "super mouse" - extremely fit and strong. now, who would have thought of that? I suppose not many people would have objected to wiping mouse population...
    One day we might just need one special gene tucked somewhere in an animal/plant/insect/bacteria to save US HUMAN from extinction. (try cure for AIDS/Cancer)

    Chaos theory:
    we are not god, we simply don't know what would really happen when we take out a key block from the cycle of life on Earth. remember, WE are in that cycle too; you wouldn't drill a hole on the boat you are sitting in just to test what would happen, would you?

    We must be humble.

    Thu 2007/11/08 04:50:10 JST (ID #62749)
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  • AvatarX
    AvatarX in Land of long white cloud (Registered on 2007/11/02)
    banker

    let me try to convince you from a completely human-centric and selfish angle, maybe this will work.

    Two of the biggest reasons why we should try not to massively decrease the population of any single specie (or even cause extinction):
    1. the concept of gene pool
    2. chaos theory

    gene pool:
    every species on earth potentially share some genes with human, some more some less. it has recently been discovered that we human has one exactly same gene as mouse does, by tinkering with this gene, we can make "super mouse" - extremely fit and strong. now, who would have thought of that? I suppose not many people would have objected to wiping mouse population...
    One day we might just need one special gene tucked somewhere in an animal/plant/insect/bacteria to save US HUMAN from extinction. (try cure for AIDS/Cancer)

    Chaos theory:
    we are not god, we simply don't know what would really happen when we take out a key block from the cycle of life on Earth. remember, WE are in that cycle too; you wouldn't drill a hole on the boat you are sitting in just to test what would happen, would you?

    We must be humble.

    Thu 2007/11/08 04:51:05 JST (ID #62750)
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  • moncikoma
    moncikoma in jakarta, Indonesia (Registered on 2007/08/02)
    Designer graphic

    i dunno about cow's cuz it's about religion, so if it comes to a religion, it's useless to discuss any further...

    4 example dog's..Batak's tribe in Indonesia, some of them eat dog's, after the parties of their wedding..

    and thats okay cuz it's their culture...as long they dont hurt them, torture, etc....we can't do anything about it... they think it's good and that parts of their culture is meant something to them...

    but dolphin...4 what purpose? food? there's plenty other fish that taste's 100x better, MONEY?..

    if dolphin is being killed, over and over just for lame excuse, and business...then may i ask?

    "what if human is not the top of the chain...but dolphin is..?"

    Thu 2007/11/08 06:25:52 JST (ID #62755)
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  • Hayden
    Hayden in London, UK (Registered on 2007/01/06)
    Custom Pc Builder, Muppet, Pyromaniac, Demolitions Expert, Guitar Slinger,
    http://myspace.com/dyingoblivion

    to Quote moncikoma

    "but dolphin...4 what purpose? food? there's plenty other fish that taste's 100x better, MONEY?.."

    how would you know that dolphin tasted like crap?? have you eaten dolphin before? because if you have then your comments dont mean anything no matter how sympathetic & against the killing of Dolphins you maybe you've already got blood on your hands.

    Im sorry if its mean but if you well so strongly about dolphins then why have u taken a bite? but it sounds like you've eaten Dolphin before.

    If i have misunderstood your point then I apologise

    Thu 2007/11/08 06:49:28 JST (ID #62758)
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  • D_Blade
    D_Blade in Montreal (Registered on 2006/12/31)
    Non-profit org. volunteering work addict

    People, allow me to add two more of my cents in that discussion.

    For people who don't mind animals to be raised and end slaughtered in massive numbers...
    I wouldn't want to be reincarnated (if it ever exists) into farm animals.

    In the best cases, they are born in an adequate environment, live quite happily, have all the food they want and after a certain time (some don't even have the time to enjoy life) they are conducted in a gloomy place where they get more or less instantly killed, if not tortured.

    The worst include chickens that have to lay eggs everyday and are confined in tiny cages for this purpose (unforgivable!)

    Very cheerful view, eh?

    I try not to eat meat because of that, but I admit I still do. I am not ready to become a vegetarian/vegan.

    Thu 2007/11/08 09:15:27 JST (ID #62782)
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  • D_Blade
    D_Blade in Montreal (Registered on 2006/12/31)
    Non-profit org. volunteering work addict

    By the way, if the importance of animals depends on their type of intelligence and their capacity for cognitive skills, most of the planet's species should be wiped out, right?
    Wait, Humans even enjoy killing members of his own species. How nice and thoughtful.

    They believe they are so superior, categorizing everything and giving priorities on the basis of arbitrary judgments.

    "Protect dolphins because they display intelligence and don't care about cows because they are stupid, abundant and only meat and leather interest us" many of you say.
    Well, I think this way of thinking is full of biases. Think being a cow (Downgrading? Well, try at least!) and you'll see what I mean by it.

    Thu 2007/11/08 09:24:12 JST (ID #62784)
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  • MosKAU
    MosKAU in Dark Northern Forests (Finland) (Registered on 2007/03/06)
    Student

    cows are breed for food, dolphins aren't.. and dolphins are becoming one of the rare species of this planet..

    Thu 2007/11/08 17:21:59 JST (ID #62820)
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  • becky lee of KNC
    becky lee of KNC in pasadena, sokal (Registered on 2007/03/17)
    webmistress/ ceo
    http://www.kidnemo.com

    i agree w/ MosKAU,

    Overall, bovine/poultry/swine/etc. are usually breed for human consumption...

    Those animals can be raised in a control enviorment just for the use of food, while dolphins cannot be.

    Of course, you can argue about that people fish and also catch crabs/lobsters, however, those animals are regulated by fish and gaming associations regarding to regions and minimum size/weight that the fish can be fished for food.

    dolphins on the other hand are not regulated for fishing, but more for preservation. same goes with other animals that are protected from being extinct.

    i truly understand that other cultures eat different types of food. its basically about culture.

    dolphins may be something that is hunted regularly in Japan/asia, while it is taboo in other places, especially in the states.

    Overall, animals such as dolphins needs to be protected in a worldwide effort before they are over hunted and goes instinct. i would love to think that future generations can enjoy teh beauty(not as food) not only dolphins, but all animals.

    just my 2 cents.

    btw... HEEERRROOOEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!1!

    Thu 2007/11/08 18:49:51 JST (ID #62833)
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  • kurz
    kurz in Malaysia (Registered on 2007/09/03)
    Student

    im gonna level up my hair to nexus level..lol

    i guess cows r okay cuz we breed them.
    but dolphins are wild animals that is going to meet extinction soon or later.
    so if those fishermen really want dolphins, breed 'em themselves.
    good investment. :)

    Fri 2007/11/09 11:16:08 JST (ID #62903)
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  • Evo_Spec
    Evo_Spec in Alberta, Canada (Registered on 2007/10/21)

    me and my friend has a similar talk about this and i think his views are right.
    cows, chickens, and pigs cannot survive in the wild and would just get eatten by wolves and coyotes. (well here in alberta) so they need humans to keep their species living.
    thats my personal view on it.

    Sat 2007/11/10 16:48:20 JST (ID #63077)
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  • Nopy
    Nopy in Canada (Registered on 2007/09/16)
    http://nopybot.com

    I would be ok with the killing of dolphins if they were raised to be eaten like cows, but these ones are taken from the wild. Wouldn't want to see them go extinct due to over-fishing.

    Wed 2007/11/21 19:25:16 JST (ID #64439)
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  • RG-Hawke
    RG-Hawke in ...Too far from the ocean (Registered on 2008/01/12)
    Eternal Student
    http://ryengu.deviantart.com/

    Part of the deal is that dolphins are self-aware. They are NOT just another animal, they are almost, if not fully, sentient. And, having seen the method of slaughter, I must say that it is inhumane even for a method of killing.

    Sat 2008/01/12 16:29:45 JST (ID #69447)
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  • gojiro0
    gojiro0 in San Francisco (Registered on 2007/12/23)
    Event Logistics Coordinator

    Hot Dolphin! Ultimately, nature is icky and it sure is sad that things eat other things. Too bad we all can't get along...and not eat each other. Where does life stop being worth saving?

    Fri 2008/01/18 23:16:24 JST (ID #70114)
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  • Final Fantasy Freak Ein
    Final Fantasy Freak Ein in London, Japan , Malaysia, Taiwan (Registered on 2007/10/28)
    Game Designer
    http://toratohora.blogspot.com/

    What i think is very simple and I believe it is the true of nature:
    eat others or being eaten.

    I always saw news like : A tiger eat a person, and people go hunt them down. reason? Collect the crops of that person.

    Now think about this, what is that tiger's motive? To survive right. And is god who gives it the permission to kill. And why should people kill animals that kills to survive?

    same applies to human, human need to eat to survive, unless you want to become a deity(means you are dead). Therefore, humans are able to survive because they have the ability to kill an they evolute from there.

    That is the nature, that is the true. Dont tell me we can have walls to protect us, dont tell me we can be vegetarian to protect them,dont tell me we can choose not to eat them or we only react when we are in danger. Those are stories of after human evolution.How would want to choose to be killed? If you are in the wild without technology support, you are just a fat meat to other carnivorous beast.

    BUT let me make things clear, I dont not support over killing. Take only what we need, that is all. Today, if i have to eat dolphin to survive, I eat. Tomorrow I have to eat cow to survive, I eat. The next day i been eaten by a tiger,then just just let it enjoy me.

    Dolphin,cow, chicken, whales,humans and even PLANTS are living things. WHO can guarantee plants have no feeling?
    To survive, we have to kill. BUT NO OVER SLAUGHTER

    Mon 2008/01/28 15:44:44 JST (ID #70907)
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  • Emperor
    Emperor in London, UK (Registered on 2008/02/24)
    Custom Arcadestick builder
    http://twitter.com/dryrice

    Dolphin = Mammals its not a fish
    Cow = Meat and can reproduce quick, plus we drink its milk.

    I like dolphins but cows i rather see the meat on my plate. It's also convenient to wear leather like my shoes, jacket or belt.

    Protest she must so its a good thing that the word is getting out.

    Sat 2008/04/12 23:34:36 JST (ID #169858)
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    • graeble.
      graeble. in South Texas (Registered on 2008/05/23)
      lecherous wretch
      http://graeble.deviantart.com/

      cow = mammal meat
      dolphin = mammal meat

      one is cute
      one only a mother could love

      Mon 2008/06/09 05:38:37 JST (ID #208213)
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  • brotherlady -__-
    brotherlady -__- in fresno cali (Registered on 2008/05/24)
    kid

    dude im on your side. i dnt know if its just me, but dolphins annoy me haha. but yea maybe ppl should stop killing other animals too like chickens pigs cows they get the worst of it. like these hmong ppl next to me they kill their own chickens and dogs but as long as my dog is alive i dont really care haha. yea n once again i dnt know if its just me but hayden pantere or whatever annoyed me in that video

    Sat 2008/05/24 23:20:37 JST (ID #196173)
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  • tymmur
    tymmur in his top secret nuclear bunker (Registered on 2008/01/20)
    Mad scientist

    actually there are protests against slaughtering cows. It's not for saving the cows but to ensure that they will not suffer a painful death. Normally cows are taken in one by one and shot in the brain by a bolt pistol. The brain dies instantly and they can't feel a thing (or at least not for long). However some cows aren't butchered like this and there are protests against painful slaughtering. It's kept at a minimum though because the issue is ritual butchering of animals according to Islam where the animal bleeds to death and then the protesters are charged for racism.
    As for the dolphins... they are clearly aware of what goes on which makes it unacceptable. The fishermen are aware that some people really don't like what they do since they don't want to be filmed. However the TV crew has a mission which is against the fishermen and sometimes journalism is about getting the story and nothing like the truth or morale will prevent them from finding the story. I'm pretty sure that no interviews with pro dolphin slaughering people were planned.

    Sun 2008/06/08 03:45:32 JST (ID #207314)
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  • arluean
    arluean in singapore (Registered on 2008/10/28)
    Pastry and baking / Culinary
    http://www.illidangdn.deviantart.com

    Every living being knows when they're in danger or about to be harmed, that's why they instinctively run away...even ants know when they're about to be stepped on and scatter around.

    People don't protest when the cows are killed for food cause they deem it a necessity, same with chicken and fish and all those. It's all decided by how the majority of people wants to think.

    As unfair as it sounds, if a majority of people thinks its okay to kill cows then it is okay to kill cows, fish, chicken and what not.

    If majority thinks its not okay then well...it's not okay

    Anyway i've seen on TV like discovery channel or something, our teeth structure are build as a herbivore...meaning no fanged tooth and a grinding based back set of teeth..

    BUT of course we're all so used to our own way of lives now we really, just have that information as "good to know"

    I'm a culinary student, and a buddhist LOL ironically.

    I have a passion for food, so im sure im going to hell for my passion for food. But i'll just do what i can to uphold any amount of buddhism beliefs i have....even though i have already side tracked from it at least i can make myself feel abit better by doing so.

    Few things i do is to make sure i obtain meat from dealers that slaughter the animals in "As humanely as they can" i make sure i do not waste any part of the meat, meaning that if trimmings can be used in another dish, then i will make it, minimize wastages, and treat every dish i prepare with as much respect as i can...some think its corny, but food is a religion to some...cause u're taking life from another so u can sustain another. Treat not the food on ur table as just food, but a sacrifice someone has made so you may live on.

    SO DON'T WASTE FOOD!! D: Next time a kid says he doesnt wanna eat chicken find a way to make him eat it!! D: If not feed him broccoli for the rest of his life as punishment!!

    That was a rather long rant, if anyone found this rant very corny, offensive, comical or just downright ridiculous, i apologize, but everyone has a perception on things and this is one of mine, i hope you could give me your understanding.

    Wed 2009/07/29 17:26:49 JST (ID #689224)
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  • choppy
    choppy in Hawaii (Registered on 2009/09/05)
    Being Awesome
    http://www.myspace.com/chosenhokage

    What's wrong with killing dolphins? From my understanding, animals were MADE to be eaten. i.e. Fish, Cows, Pigs, &c. You even see insects being eaten in many places throughout the world. Where are the protesters for those insects? I may be a little immoral here but these protesters are wasting their time. These fishermen are able to put food on the table because of what they do and these people have the nerve to say no to that? It just shows that they are ignorant and selfish beings and they deserve to be silenced. What these fishermen are doing isn't illegal so these protesters shouldn't have anything to criticize about. These protesters are just ruthless mobs that believe what they're doing is right. What they're doing is WRONG. They think they understand what's going on, but their thinking is way off course. I apologize if you're offended by this post but these are the facts that you need to face and move on.

    Sat 2009/09/12 14:18:44 JST (ID #716306)
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  • Radamanthys
    Radamanthys in Toronto, Canada (Registered on 2008/12/05)

    omg...wow. i really cant believe it. Wait, and who eats dolphin?

    Sat 2009/09/26 12:40:41 JST (ID #722819)
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  • Pop Error
    Pop Error in Singapore (Registered on 2009/07/26)
    Copywriter
    http://blog.poperror.com

    i just watched this movie last night called "School Days with a Pig" (ブタがいた教室 / Buta ga Ita Kyoushitsu) dealing with the exact same subject matter. Here's the trailer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS-WNo9C0pQ

    Mon 2009/10/05 15:02:24 JST (ID #726864)
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