Singapore Vs Hong Kong Manga

cant really see the diff but hk one seems clearer and better?

Censorship is evil :(

yeah Hong Kong you rule!

lol @ ripped out pages.

I wonder who rips the pages out? Maybe the Kinokuniya in Singapore should consider wrapping magazines in plastic like we do in Los Angeles. I think that's why Kinokuniya wraps manga and magazines in L.A.'s retailer, to keep customers from stealing pages from newly stocked manga and magazines.

Well that's censorship for ya. If I bought something with pages ripped out, I would rage all over the store.

kinokuniya have been doing this for ages now.... nothing new.

Guys, it's not the bookstore's fault that they have to rip out pages or sell censored items. : It's Singapore's censorship LAWS. They could very well not sell those magazines at all, instead of going through each and every one and removing the offending pages.

Please... Even Code Geass was censored... WHY?

I tell you... This country is getting more and more on my nerves with their ridiculous 'Censorship' laws. Conservative society? Why deny others the freedom just so that you won't offend the minority? Frankly, I feel sad that I live here (for some reasons), though I am glad for others.

Really. What does a difference of 2 sploches do?

People are so afraid that these things will corrupt the young. Just look at the movies, magazines and other things that contain so many other vices. Why are people so conservative? I fail to understand.

For my full rant about censorship and how ridiculous this is, please see: http://actar.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/censorship-everything-you-need-to-know/

Even though this has been going on for a long time, this is really, really low. I can't express my feelings for this, but it is really something I feel strongly about.

heck we should be grateful Chuangyi is even bothering to license the series in the first place.
in any case, it's not as if CY's version is the only ony available here.
the good thing about a free market is that we can purchase taiwan and HK versions in one of those smaller retail shops in the heartlands. that's how i have been getting my ecchi fix ^^

Ripped out? Wow, talk about overdoing it. Erasing it is bad, but ripping the pages goes on a whole different level.

That's messed up. They should stick with the artist's original illustrations.

pretty much the same situation going on here, but ours use more traditional way, black bar. I'm not buying manga anymore, love the scanlation.

Yeah it sucks which is one of the reason why I never buy from Chuagyi(What an irony of the name, creative huh) and not to mention, the paper they used to print manga sucks(toilet paper anyone?) >:

Well,I'm in Singapore and what can I say, I'm not surprised.
It's not Kinokuniya's fault.

Something that I need to mention, Singapore supports CENSORSHIP. They also want us to avoid ILLEGAL or PIRATE copies of Manga and Anime. By censoring the medium, aren't they forcing us to turn to the original uncensored sources via unscrupulous means?

DOUBLE MESSAGE RECEIVED!

With brillant warmth and blinding light, I knelt in awe as a thunderous voice commanded me, "Tho shall luv thy nipples".

damn the censorship board
now i miss those pupils ^^;

And Hong Kong is the winner.

The singapore one looks just like the scans from the magazine, all censored.

well I remember some publications in Malaysia just censor by drawing with marker a permanent "swim suit" over any nudity ^^; kinda sad in a way =_=

Censorship here is even worse... for imported publications they ruin it with markers, while for translations they add in lines, draw their own swimsuits, blank out the whole body so it's just an empty frame... it's sad.

Censorship in Singapore wins. qq

Do these censors think that by removing images of nipples and genitals, the overall moral value of the country will improve? That by censoring, they are protecting our "innocent minds"? Or are they doing so just to appease the people who will raise hell about it?

Please... censorship is stupid. It spoils the original intention of the artist, and is also a form of privacy intrusion ie Big Brother knows best, and Big Brother says nipples are bad for you.

Instead of censorship, why not strengthen age restriction rules?

Forgive me if Im incoherent. I just woke up.

cencorship is needed for our future and our children!!!!

Well to be fair... The HK version is wrapped with the "Over 18 years of age" warning just like Full Metal Alchemist has. I don't know if the writer took it off or not but, the Singaporean version doesn't which means anyone can just pick up the Manga to view.

I think just erasing the "pupils" is kind of stupid although I guess it makes it look like the character's just wearing a body suit.

As long as they don't start censoring pupils on the internet, I think I could survive in Singapore. :) Still books and dvds aren't cheap in Singapore, I had to sit on the floor in Borders because it was so full of people reading and this was 9pm on Sunday. heh

Singapore hates nipples.

i don't like nipples myself - not that i hate them or anything

i instead like imagination-inducing steam. Gets the mind going.

Ripping out magazine and sell it i believe is a crime.

Remember, seller should selling new product, ripping the product equal to sell used product. Unless you had noticed by the seller previously, if you buy a mags and found out it was ripped off, you can sue or at least ask for refund.

Censorship is good, however the way of doing that is wrong.

I believe Hongkong already using the right term of censor. Remember, the meaning of censor is to sense the content and judge the rating. If the rating said 18+ then the book publisher must follow that regulation by putting 18+ tag on the book.

If the book publisher ask for lower rating by requesting "Teen rating" for example. The censor board must giving the qualify for that rating and asking the publiher to make the mod (like removing nipple, or covering crotch area with their own way. But if the publisher want to be original then they must use 18+ rating.

I hope this one giving enlightment for people who still didnt understand of how respecting art and giving a regulation of this kind of "nipple, nekkid, and dolphin" matter.

Hong Kong all the way!

I wouldn't buy a magazine with pages ripped out... Damaged product = no sales.

Censorship is the reason the internet is so wonderful ^^

simple. draw the pupils back yourself. ('~')

Rubbing out nipples? That's too much!

Blasphemy!

The reason why many are turning towards the internet for their goods.
Such techniques are already outdated.

i don't really understand the logic behind Singaporian's mind

they don't seem to be shocked to show naked women and boobs

but they erase the tits

do they also show murder scenes but erase blood ?

If To Love Ru is like this... whats the japanese love hina like? Cos in the UK there are no pupils at all. Is that how its always been? I wouldn't complain though, since I was only 13 when I read it, any further perversion and I would be beyond help right now lol.

MDA is known
to censor......censor.......censor
even our anime shown on okto are also censored...

AHA! Pupils...I get it now :P
For one second there I thought you meant the actual pupils, but couldn't find any differences -_-"

I do believe they erase pupils here in Norway to, but that's probably because 99% of the manga here is imported from UK/US.

I vote Hong Kong

Can't see the diff between them >.<

Can't blame Chuang Yi; after all, they're publishing children's manga alongside this... but still, I wish there wasn't that censorship. :(

Then again it would have been real hard to explain as to how I suddenly aquired six less-than-clean books to my dad...

That is why i hardly...touch singapore translated mangas...

This is why I'm thankful to live in North America ^^;

raw manga pics really rock!

now i love hongkong. :D

Hmm, is this really necessary.. the ones who would be offended by it probably never read manga anyway:)

I'd go for the HongKong since I don't mind getting MORE fanservice.

no manga available here and importing it from jp or uk/us the shipping turns out to be costlier than the product. so me turns to internet.

You see having nipples rubbed out isn't that big of a deal in my opinion. But the whole ripping out pages thing is just stupid. I mean it would suck if I bought something with pages ripped out...

*WARNING, everything below is just my 2 cent and nothing more*
I think the censorship is to make the law maker and not the public.
It's there to control the people and "choose" what they can intake.
(I think they would sensor the internet if they could, which is kinda strange for such a "western" asian country to have so many bounding and rules)

I personally don't think censorship is bad. It in no way harms anybody. Personally, I don't need foul language or nudity to spice up entertainment. Besides, it's not so much an attempt to keep "questionable content" from level headed adults. It's more an attempt to keep it from minors who's parent's can't be there every single second of the day to monitor their entertainment intake. As a single father of 3, I have no choice but to leave my kids alone at home a couple hours Monday through Friday. I've placed checks and balances where they are needed as any responsible parent would, but there are ways around just about everything. I see censorship as a type of a helping hand.

Besides, in this day and age, if uncensored material is desired, there are tons of places to find them. If not the exact media, then one like it. So it's not like adults are deprived.

Merry Christmas, y'all!

Go Hong Kong...censorship on pupils is wrong...

This is outrageous
how could they sensor such beautiful pupils.
There a work of art.

haha both are okay with me.

But I get no censorship is a big bonus

What do you expect. Welcome to Singapore.

Time to migrate to Japan to get the real deal (:

Censorship is apparent at some level in all countries western or asian countries singapore chooses to make the image available to a wider and in this case younger audience by editing where as hong kong has chosen not to edit but to restrict the age of those who can (legally) purchase, age restriction is just another form of censorship just as adult movies are censored for their explicit content via age restriction and japan goes even further censoring both the age of purchasers and visual content of thier av
censorship is a compromise of freedom do you remove all forms of censorship and allow everyone to be exposed to material that may contain sexual explicitness, racism, fascism, sexism or any other "ism" that may be or do you compromise your freedom to protect those who society feels need it ie children it is a difficult issue that is handled in many different ways by many different governments if you feel strongly do something about it tell someone, newspapers, use the net don't simply say that you don't like it

(just my 2.2 cents worth(gst added))

Singapore is way too law-abiding... as though no one watches/reads ecchi content online. D:

why is ecchi/hentai content censored anyway... just makes it look unnatural

why is ero stuff and porn in general censored... makes no sense to me

I'm not from Singapore, but I don't understand that type of censorship ¬¬

If you are going for some ecchi stuff, you know what are you going to see. If you don't like it, just don't buy it, but please, don't spoil things just to have a higher range of buyers o_O

HOng Hong is more free.

I read the Singapore version og Midori No Hibi ,amga but when I watched the anime on the net, Midori had pupils... And I was watching the anime with my younger bro^^;...
Censorship is definitely evil!

I bet the censor ship office has a hidden vault with all the ripped out pages...

What a treasure trove that'd be.

Don't think they rip out all for all the books.
Never encountered any ripped pages in the DHM and mangas i bought from Kinokuniya.

Page ripper, is that a job?
:P

bah this level of censorship is nothing. I've read novels from the public library with the naughty bit ripped out too. Even non-pictorial is bad for them... -_-"

thank god i'm in malaysia. govt didn't even bother to check the borders bookstore. there, i can get tons of yaoi stuffs. haha

wow that sux

Glad that I live in HK...lol

I choose Hongkong but meh im pretty sure To-Love-Ru manga will not published in Indonesia

Go Hong Kong! I really hate it when things get censored

i think Hong Kong is is better

I never supports censorship. It make innocent boys grow up to think that girls doesn't have pupils. Well, at least Negima was not censored..I'd hate the market swimsuit.. If they want to draw a swimsuit, at least draw something sexier..