Thu 2009/01/08 09:56
Results of a survey on schooling history and marriage up at Ameba show that only 20% of women don't care about what education their prospective partner has had but 60% want their future husband to have attended a well known institute. 80% of women said that a salary of 5,000,000 yen generated by their prospective husband was the "compromise" that they would come to but ideally want 7,000,000 yen. The average salary in Japan is about 3,800,000 yen... So there you have it - evidence that its not just the Tenga thats causing a decline in Japans population. Question for the ladies - is income of your future husband a factor (like it is in Japan) when considering marriage? News via Itai News, image of Choco Chips new game Sarasara Sasara from Kaguya. These girls work at a shrine doing the work of the heavens so am presuming that they don't mind whether you earn peanuts or not.
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Mon 10/01 11:44 comments (7)
It sounds very family influenced, like when a guy has to answer to their partners father, and then is judged on his social status. That kind of thinking always goes against the grain with me. And why should it be up to the man to make all the money anyway?
(ID #439768) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:18
if you love your partner money means nothing
(ID #439771) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:18
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
on the other hand if one loves his partner, he should make sure that he takes care and provide for her needs (and occasional wants). however in order to do that one would need money. ^^ 'tis a necessary evil. that is if one would consider money evil. ^^
(ID #439810) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:42
Blogger & Former Tentacle Support
Very true! Quick question: how many Japanese women work for a living? I've heard that a lot of them are homemakers.
(ID #439892) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:03
university film student
From what I understand, a fair amount work for a living, but with the full expectation that they will leave the workforce after marriage. It's a mix of their own expectations/obligations as well as social and familial ones.
(ID #440160) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:14
DCX001-Prototype
It doesn't simply mean "nothing"..... One can't solely live on love alone...... The reality always strike........ But still, money materials should always come after love in a good & healthy relationship.
(ID #440074) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:56
> if you love your partner money means nothing But contrary to popular opinion you have a fairly good grip of who do you allow yourself to fall in love with. Just like must of us avoid falling in love with married people. Simply by only going out with rich guys you can find a rich man you'd love. Western girls can't understand this because westerns prefer to choose their couple based on looks (by only going out with attractive guys/girls you can find an attractive guys/girls you'd love). Japanese men have it hard, I'm not surprised at all so many opt for tenga. But then again these men will leave no kids, and the next generation will be the domain of the descendants of tenga haters. Evolution finds the way.
(ID #440715) Posted on 2009/01/09 04:14
I dont think it should matter how much your partner makes as long as you love each other. How much money your partner make shouldnt be a factor of wether you decide to get married or not. I believe both should work unless you have a kid >>
(ID #439778) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:23
university student
I do think that my future husband's salary matter. ^_^; *dodges veggies thrown at her* Not that I want him to be rich or so, as I'm happy with just a normal life, but I just prefer to be with someone with a similar economy/finance. ^_^;
(ID #439779) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:24
Agree, it does matter to me too, even if I dun need his financial support - but he should be able to at least support himself and the kids' needs. Frankly, while I'm hoping for more salary for my own, I hope for the same to him too. Hmms.
(ID #440370) Posted on 2009/01/08 21:35
eh... and sacrificing money for love... and that`s a "compromise"?
(ID #439790) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:32
Anime Figure Collector
Just more evidence when I bi--h slap a women when she says she wants a nice and caring guy. Just come out and tell the truth, it's about looks and money, lol.
(ID #439791) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:32
Silly people who care about money more than true happiness.
(ID #439793) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:32
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
from a guy's point of view, a man should be able to earn enough to provide for his wife and probably later for their kids. it's not that I don't give love and trust much importance, since I believe they are an integral part of marriage. but jumping into it without considering ones responsibility is asking for trouble.
(ID #439797) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:35
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
hmm this one agreed on. :)
(ID #439925) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:34
DCX001-Prototype
*Thumb up* ^_^ convincing words from a married family man ;-)
(ID #440067) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:53
partime_snowboarder
that is so true. Financial stability is what makes a marriage work. If you have money issues, problems always start because of it. I've seen it so many times.
(ID #440087) Posted on 2009/01/08 14:11
university film student
I must agree with that. I have an older cousin of several years who...is not very responsible. He abruptly married a couple years ago, but has since relied on his parents for all their living expenses. Amongst other things. I'd place love and trust as priority in a marriage, but while the guy doesn't necessarily have to be doing the providing there has to be some plan for what follows.
(ID #440164) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:17
Administrator
you took the words out of my mouth. I don't believe in the idea that a happy marriage is a result of "a cottage with two golden hearts live in". That is impossible in our current world IMO. Then again building your happiness purely on money without a good relationship and understanding is to build a castle on sand. IOW IMHO a happy family = understanding + good relationship + suitable amount of income. That is just a superficial representation though, as you can't put something like this into an equation. But at least these three are required and they go hand in hand.
(ID #440210) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:25
Provide is a relative term. A man can provide with enough food and shelter to let the family survive but they won't be going into a prestige school, they won't get any games for Christmas and if one of them gets a nasty disease or into an accident he won't be able to provide expensive medical services. So there is not good enough, there is always room for unsatisfaction. If that wasn't bad enough already, there is also no limit for how wrong can your luck go, so even a well positioned man can find himself in dire need of money. It's not really a matter of money but expectations, finding love is about finding the women with the lowest expectations that also fulfills whatever your expectations are. I'm feeling very cynic today.
(ID #522345) Posted on 2009/03/15 14:09
Student artist
As long as it puts food on the table?
(ID #439798) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:36
CEO MIrai Inc
lol at "as long as *it* puts food on the table"
(ID #439817) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:47
amatuer bum
you sir, have been playing far too many eroge
(ID #439822) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:51
Physical Therapist
Can Condensed Milk even be considered Food?^^
(ID #439836) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:04
Student artist
I dont get it danny
(ID #439850) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:20
lol, we're mere income generating objects. XD I get your joke, and you have been playing far too many eroge (now we know the event flag trigger, time to hack income levels) ^o^
(ID #439856) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:29
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
lol! I think Gibson's *it* would refer to money. but still t'was a good lol.
(ID #439885) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:57
Mechanical Engineering student
That's just wrong! LOL XD Danny must be playing too many h-games lately X3
(ID #440135) Posted on 2009/01/08 14:40
DCX001-Prototype
wah hahahahha~~~~
(ID #440026) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:33
These days, $$$ and Love/happiness go together imho (many will disagree with me). Just having $$$ or love is not enough ^^;;. Note that having $$$ does not mean being rich.
(ID #439799) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:37
Alot of people say, No, If I loved someone, money wouldn't matter. But you also cant keep a relationship alive either. Money represents status. Depending on the income, your significant other shows what he/she has accomplished so far. I'm not saying money is life, but it represents and shows what your lover can do with his/her knowledge and skills. It represents what he/she is capable of. And money is just the cornerstone for the both of you. I'm not that bothered by the high demand in income but it is a little high..
(ID #439807) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:40
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(ID #440255) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:42
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(ID #440256) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:42
Marketer, Advertising Specialist
Income should not matter, but sadly the world revolves on the purchasing power of people. There's a Mexican saying that says: "When poverty enters through the door, love goes out the window"
(ID #439808) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:40
Well, income of some kind should be some kind of factor, even if it is a small one. The person should at least be able to hold down a steady job, whatever gender. Not everyone can be a top earner but most people want to have someone.
(ID #439811) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:42
Considering the economy we're in right now, I'd say aim a little lower...where's the love for the average joe?...
(ID #439819) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:49
Well. To me, it doesn't make sense to marry someone when you do not have the funds to actually form a proper family with that person. Of course, funds come from both sides of the relationship, so assuming both have a job and can afford to live by themselves, it makes sense to marry for tax benefits. (Sounds arse-ish, I know.) Money really becomes a factor when you want to have children, since, face it, children cost an awful amount of money. (Which is probably the reason for the decline in birthrates over here in Germany.) Wanting kids and not being able to buy food for them later would be somewhat of a problem, after all.
(ID #439824) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:52
Otaku / Student in Computer Science
I really don't mind! Love's can't buy with money
(ID #439827) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:54
this is just a advance form of prostitution. your own little private hooker. when it comes down to it your better off going to a whore house a few times a month then having a wife such as this. i have done the math and it cost LESS to pay a hooker a few times a month then to have a wife that married you cuz of your money, is staying at home doing jack sh*t and spending your money and probably shagging the damn mail-man and pool-boy at the same time!
(ID #439828) Posted on 2009/01/08 10:55
lmao, preach!
(ID #440301) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:19
Finances do matter to a certain extent because you know you wouldn't marry a homeless person. I obviously want my partner to have a decent job, I don't want to support myself and another person.
(ID #439832) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:00
College student, Mech programmer and striving photographer.
uh...I'd say as long as the one person can support both. I'm all up for the "Love over money" idea but be reasonable and still work to maintain you and your partner! Asking for change in sidewalks doesn't count.
(ID #439833) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:01
Filmmaker
I guess 80% of them are dreaming....
(ID #439847) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:16
security/3d graphic artist
money doesn't mean that much, but if ur partner is a lazy bum that sits around and demands that you work while she/he does nothing.. now there's a problem... and i'm not talking about stay at home mothers/fathers.. taking care of a kid IS a full time job... so therefore money is not a top issue.. but it is there and should be considered if needed.
(ID #439849) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:19
Love comes first, and I also agree that us guys need to have a decent income. Supporting a family is never cheap for both men and women. Just being realistic. I rather have a high income and spend more time with the family. And that takes hard work from day one on joining the rat race
(ID #439861) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:35
Game Designer & 2D Artist
Sigh. I think girls in general want their man to have a regular income, in whatever form they took
(ID #439866) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:43
student/ legal assistant/ otaku/ worshipper of dc.com
dang.
(ID #439869) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:46
wow... the average salary in japan is like $4.5k SGD/mth (counting in a 13 mth basis) moolah is still impt if u'd ask me X_X we are not living in an age that love is greater than moolah NO moolah = NO love... blame it all on the fat pig of capitalism!
(ID #439878) Posted on 2009/01/08 11:52
Administrator
regardless of that state of political, I think working to gain income or to simplify food is a requirement. From the time our ancestors were still using sticks and stones to hunt, they were also working. Just that what you gain now is "moolah".
(ID #440218) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:38
As long as he's (she for the guys) a nice guy, isn't dumb and has an average income I think they're fair game. Those women up there are so unrealistic, because the majority of the population is middle class. I understand they would like to have as little worries about money as possible, but that's not always possible.
(ID #439890) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:00
Trendspotter Busybody Mercenaries
OKAY! GIVE UP raising white flag on finding a *wife* or GF. from JAPAN XD
(ID #439894) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:05
yep, im screwed too
(ID #439905) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:21
Aw don't give up ^^ There are plenty of Japanese girls who don't care about rich husbands. :D
(ID #440189) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:50
Hehehe.. go for local products I say
(ID #440582) Posted on 2009/01/09 01:49
Almost a doctor, avid anime fan, self-styled wine connoisseur, gamer
Why do you think people are marrying late these days? 1) The guys need a stable career (or stable income) to attract the opposite gender. Let's face it, very few hits it big in their first 4 years of working. We all need to swim up-river. 2) The gals realize (when they are close to 30 or above 30) that their 'requirements' are too high and they have to reconsider their preferences. Broken illusions... Otherwise, there is the "Asian parents-in-law" factor. How many of them are trapped in the delusion that steady finance is the key to a successful marriage+family. Very often the "financial success" is the key ingredient to the family's downfall. In conclusion, "utterly meaningless, everything is meaningless"
(ID #439898) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:14
Administrator
Yeah and I'm in zetsubou.
(ID #440221) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:39
~Undine~
True, both men and women often set their standards too high and have to reconsider with time. Plus, when I look at people my age, I see many jump into relationships more for financial security and just to be a part of the group that has a relationship (as they frown on 'singles') than for love.
(ID #440690) Posted on 2009/01/09 03:36
anime/cosplay events organizer
add that with males looking for a girl somewhat similar with their fantasy girls and we got a formula for Japan's population decline
(ID #439899) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:16
Pokemon master
Eh, if I wanted money I'd just find a way to earn it myself. >.>
(ID #439903) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:20
Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 太もも Appreciator
Income was never an issue for me in finding a partner. As long as there's love/chemistry, money does not matter... ok it does a little for the essential things. If my partner makes more income than myself then it's a bonus ^^ But then again I'm a guy so my opinion doesn't count...
(ID #439906) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:21
Administrator
You meant partner in love? They way you phrased it seems so. I think maintenance fee for a koibito and a family are different. If all you care about is getting a partner in love then np :D.
(ID #440229) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:46
Pseudo-Graphic Designer, 太もも Appreciator
Aye partner/girlfriend. For some reason I was using that word, no idea why XD
(ID #440994) Posted on 2009/01/09 09:36
Unfortunately, I think this little tibit of a poll is actually very much a partial explanation of the population decline in Japan. If you will recall, approximately two to three weeks ago Danny-Sama posted an article about many Japanese men saying they preferred the usage of Tenga to the "trouble with 3D women"... I immediately thought they were possibly a result of Japanese women (not all, of course, but you can see there ARE a regretfully large number of them) who use men as the source of money. If, as the article states, the average salary of a Japanese worker is 3.8 million yen, then the fact that women think a COMPROMISE for a decent salary is 5.0 million and that really it should be 7.0 million, means that the vast majority of these women would be unsatisfied with anything less than a corporate vice-president or higher. When you look at it from the guy's viewpoint looking at such an impossible goalpoint, then you have to start thinking about what is the woman bringing to the table to justify such hardship. And therein lies a spiraling decent straight to hell and a lower percentage of marriages and birthrate. Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is a good thing, and I believe a marriage between two good people is worth more than all the money in the world. But as long as such a viewpoint exist in Japan, "... my husband better be rich!" and "... I will have to work 80 hours a week just to make the minimum my wife will accept from me, it's not worth it!", you have a major problem.
(ID #439908) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:22
I say those women should cater to all the perverted fantasies their husbands have, be their personal maid 24/7 and make them feel like kings. Seriously, women who want almost double the average income are just damn greedy.
(ID #440073) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:55
university film student
Completely agreed. I'm aware that the cost of living isn't cheap in Japan, but the average salary of 3.8 million yen is on par if not higher than a lot of salaries around the globe. To be hoping for double that is ridiculous. It also says something sad about philantrophy on their part. It's natural to want the best for yourself and your future children, but with conditions like these it's no wonder many Japanese women say they compromise.
(ID #440170) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:25
aspiring to become a doujin and graphics artist cum lawyer
Women have to be practical too and many will obviously choose the factor of education etc. because it will dictate the life she will lead but of course many women mistakenly seek the wrong men for the wrong reasons so I can't blame you guys if you think we're money-hungry. I'm aware that in the future its possible that I'll probably will end up making more money than whoever my husband will be but the thing is, money will be an issue later on inevitably unless the world stops the need for it. The important thing though is that it wont take hold of your marriage and family. Love after all, is still the priority in a good marriage even if money and other things come tough.
(ID #439932) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:39
the most important is of course: Love well, because i'm the guy here, of course i got to have a steady income first, if not, who will feed my family? my GF said that she'll also go to work (same as mine, still striving to be an M.D.), so maybe my effort won't be that hard (if i manage to go until the end with her :P).
(ID #439937) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:42
Fine arts and communications student
Danny, is 3.8 million yen a figure without taxes factored in? Also, is this an annual or quarterly amount?
(ID #439938) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:42
CEO MIrai Inc
Thats annual salary before tax deduction.
(ID #440009) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:26
Well I'm not sure how much the cost of living is in Japan, but $55,000 USD a year sounds okay. If a girl was poor, I would think it would be easier to impress her.
(ID #439941) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:44
Sounds okay? 55,000 USD is alot...My dad gets less than half of that.
(ID #440030) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:35
I personally don't think money is an issue, but considering what I might end up doing won't pay much, I'll be the one struck out.
(ID #439953) Posted on 2009/01/08 12:50
This gives me the impression that they're marrying money instead... ~_~
(ID #439996) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:20
I discover that many guys are intimidated by my acceptance to MIT and by my earnings and if they make less than me, it's awkward for them. I couldn't care less how much they made as long as they have brains. But they feel like, as guys, they should make more money than the girl. :/
(ID #440002) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:22
DCX001-Prototype
Mainly due to ego.
(ID #440055) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:48
Engineering research
Typical of asian guys ^^;
(ID #440115) Posted on 2009/01/08 14:25
Bahh! Maybe I should just stop teaching piano then ^^
(ID #440192) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:51
AdvDip Network Security - CCNA - Ironport - Security+
heck, even i'd be demotivated
(ID #440207) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:15
Administrator
Hah, I don't, personally I prefer intellectual woman. In fact my gf is one step ahead of me in getting Master degree; same for salary. If I have a kid and thing call for one of us needs to stay at home for the child, plus my salary is lower, then I won't mind quitting it and become a housework husband lol.
(ID #440232) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:00
Administrator
Forgot to say: there's a proverb in our country saying: "A kid will get his intellect from his mother and his look from his father." That's another reason lol, and we're Asian. Although I have to agree, most Asian guys feel inferior if either or both their salary and intellect are lower than their partners. What the heck is with that? Ppl are in relationships to support each other not to dominate one another.
(ID #440235) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:06
Lurker, and part time super-villian.
I'd kill to go out with someone intellectual. My previous gf's have been somewhat under average (this isnt a critiscism, they were all great gals!). The whole guys being the breadwinners thing is quite traditional, and some folks find it hard to let go. Oh well, poop happens. "I couldn't care less how much they made as long as they have brains".... goddammit, I'm out *cry* XD
(ID #440295) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:01
just like how some guys cant accept a taller or older girl. which brings me to wonder, does girls mind being with younger men?
(ID #440300) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:18
it really depends on how the man was raised and how his family was being run. if he grew up in a liberal family where both parents worked etc. that automatically in most cases will become his family values and how things should be. now if one of the parents didn't work in most cases the woman, again in most cases that becomes his family values. also some guys think its their duty to be the sole provider of the family, to be the boss. so when those values are crushed he thinks his duty/role of a man is a failure. so mostly its just a dick thing.
(ID #440353) Posted on 2009/01/08 21:12
I didn't look at it this way yet. But I suppose the situation would seem somewhat awkward to me, from a guy's viewpoint. In my case it'd be somewhat of a conscience issue. Depends on the entire living situation, though. I'd feel like crap if I got the feeling that I'm 'mooching off of' my partner, though.
(ID #444394) Posted on 2009/01/11 22:10
DCX001-Prototype
Family Business Acquaintance Health Spiritual That's how I place it~~~~~~~~
(ID #440048) Posted on 2009/01/08 13:45
okay, it just goes to reinforce the myth that most women(but not all of them)just want freaking $$$ for nothing. But regardless of their looks, I don't want a gold-digging b*tch. Like some previous posters said: This is the reason for the declining birth rate and perhaps a increase(???) in Tenga/ona-cup sales ;)
(ID #440127) Posted on 2009/01/08 14:33
Mechanical Engineering student
I think it's just appropriate for these women to think like that. Love alone won't make you live a happy life. Also, if you plan to have kids you better have a decent paying job -_-
(ID #440136) Posted on 2009/01/08 14:42
Just create Chobits already please!! Anyone...
(ID #440157) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:09
Secretary
My husband doesn't make a huge amount and went to community college and it couldn't matter less to me.
(ID #440163) Posted on 2009/01/08 15:16
System Design Engineering (UWaterloo)
In a world where money drives the economy, it is sometimes important to understand the necessity of an income in order to live.
(ID #440206) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:13
Student
Well this is the kind of response you get when a society has most of its women doing house chores instead of working and earning their own, perhaps this wouldn't happen so often. Here that doesn't count as much because most women have their own careers and sometimes they even make more money than the husband
(ID #440224) Posted on 2009/01/08 16:44
Future Idol
I voted yes. Income is a factor! I'm not saying I only want rich guys to be my husband, but the guy should at least have enough income to support his family in the future....
(ID #440245) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:13
CEO MIrai Inc
Looking for an sql bug here too.
(ID #440251) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:33
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
If you put it that way... I spose money does count as a factor. Just to be able to live comfortably. But not to be rich-rich-rich....
(ID #440488) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:47
I voted no. Its not really THAT important, but in the end we need money to survive lol. But still - income should not be a problem for marriage.
(ID #440252) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:38
Boy the Japanese never cease to amaze me.
(ID #440254) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:42
Money is important with it you can buy foods, shelter, clothes, entertainments and so on but if you are without you will be facing serious problems. In a relationship love is very important to sustain a good relation with your partner and money come after that.
(ID #440260) Posted on 2009/01/08 17:45
Blogger, consultant
Actually Japanese women seem rather accommodating. Korean women wouldn't settle just for money. Their ideal candidate is tall and hails from a prestigious educational institution. Their ideal is 6'2"+ (188 cm), with a medical degree from Harvard, John Hopkins, etc. and with a future earning potential commensurate with their education. With that said, the sticking point of this whole thing is what is the ideal and what women will really settle for. Strangely, in Korea, women prefer height over money in many cases. They run around with this phobia that they'll bear "squid" children (long body, short legs) if they marry a short guy. Just on a personal note: I'm neither rich, tall or have a degree from a prestigious school, but my wife still married me. So, there are many many exceptions.
(ID #440271) Posted on 2009/01/08 18:10
btw u forgot religion, koreans are usaully strong christian. thus i question does religion weigh a factor amongst some ppl?
(ID #440390) Posted on 2009/01/08 21:57
Blogger, consultant
That hasn't been my experience at all. Lots of Koreans say they are Christians but they still do homage to their ancestors and go to Buddhist shrines. Lots of Korean Buddhists celebrate Christmas. Koreans have no problem mixing and matching pieces from a number of religions. The only philosophy that almost every Korean follows are Confucian beliefs: belief in family, parental hierarchy, emphasis on hard work and education. I personally know many Buddhist-Christian or Christian-traditional Confucian pairings.
(ID #442363) Posted on 2009/01/10 11:56
Many Japanese women have the attitude that their role in life is to be economically supported by their husband, while they get on with home-making. The low birthrate in Japan may be an indication that they are failing in their side of that bargain.
(ID #440272) Posted on 2009/01/08 18:10
Programmer/IT/Student
As a guy, I would say that family income is very important. I would rather have a woman decide to marry or not marry me based upon how much I make, because one can always love, but when home conditions are bad, love can fade due to stress. I won't stand for myself making under $100k a year (minimum), because I want good living conditions for me and my family, and from my experience, $100k is about what would be needed for an average sized family to live pleasantly. Of course, I'm definitely planning to make more, because I have many dreams and aspirations, and I'm working hard toward achieving them.
(ID #440283) Posted on 2009/01/08 18:30
I just wonder what these women make themselves? and what their education background is.. Money is a factor, but if you love each other a solution can always be found.
(ID #440284) Posted on 2009/01/08 18:31
It's kinda sad these dayz. Most imptortant both are able to support oneself and each other down the road of marriage. Be it $ or mental/spiritual support. Being a man, it's our responsibile to supply, support & provide. Again, how is possible to survive just by having only one breadwinner? Hence, money is always the key factor of distorying all kinds of relationship nor matter how much you love one another. Over my side of the world, our average income is about $30 000 per yr. So, are we out of this league?
(ID #440299) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:17
Unemployed Dollfie enthusiast
I voted no in the poll. Money is a factor yes, but for me it's not the deciding factor. Obviously, it's not a great idea to fall in love with a homeless person with no education, no job and no will or desire to do anything with his life. But to me, it's not a great idea to set your sights on only wealthy business men either. A relationship built purely on money will never last. Greed and jealousy will get the better of you. A relationship built on love and togetherness will last a lifetime. I mean sure, I want my fiance to have a reasonable or good job to help support us, pay the bills, buy a house and other boring grown up stuff. But I will be working too and I shall share the financial commitments with my fiance. I don't mind if we live in an average house with an average household income. I don't care if we won't be living in the classy part of town and I don't care about being a middle class citizen. As long as my fiance and I can work and afford to live comfortably together, then that is fine by me.
(ID #440308) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:38
Mahasiswa yang terdampar di Singapura.
In Indonesia, Java to be particular there's a saying, or more accurately criteria when you're looking for life partner... "Bibit, Bebet, and Bobot" Bibit (Seed): Where s/he came from? What descent? Bebet (???) : How is his/her family like, What kind of friends does s/he have? Bobot (Weight/Value): What is his/her belief, how does s/he think, what's her/his philosophy, what's his/her value in life? etc. After seeing my parents, I belief that mere love won't do.. especially if you're from a country with wide range of different culture like Indonesia... Of course love is the utmost important thing, unless you belief in soulmate or God's chosen partner like i do, but if you're not ready for the big difference between dating and marriage, you'll have a living hell on earth... I'm a dude btw...
(ID #440313) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:51
Writer, Illustrator, Collector, and Geek Philosopher
I'm a long way away from marriage but it seems that if I lived in Japan a prospective wife would be expecting too much from me. Ever read the manga "With the Light"? Children on the autistic spectrum are treated horribly over there, so I would have to make super monies for a Japanese woman to even go near me if this article was to be believed. I'm 19 now, but in a few years I might want to settle down and find a wife. But if this criteria expands worldwide I don't know what I'll do.
(ID #440315) Posted on 2009/01/08 19:54
graduate studant (TV Broadcasting & Cinema )
well it depends, i like to have a girl that i can have a nice intelligent conversation with... there is no point on having a super hot piece pace pice of "rear" if she is a dumb-ass... but in terms of income that she generates, that doesn't really matter as soon her job is legit and honest...
(ID #440318) Posted on 2009/01/08 20:05
i'm happy being alone for now maybe we should create a child maker machine, eh? where we just donate our male sperm & female ovum to be inseminated and these kids are raised by country until they reach their 15 parents are optional? though we can make the body, we can't make the soul this is the only problem of making a new shell for human...
(ID #440321) Posted on 2009/01/08 20:11
Money IS important, however, I think it shouldn't be a priority... when I get married, the first aspect I'll look out for is my partner's character... *secretly desires her to be tsundere*
(ID #440352) Posted on 2009/01/08 21:12
You are right. But for marriage I would like to have a woman which is not mutch less educated then me (12th grade). However. With a good education you get better employment and better paid. But, like you said, it has no sense to marry a person with a personality you dont like.
(ID #440393) Posted on 2009/01/08 22:00
Policy & Research Officer
Darn, I need to earn more then. I'm only earning what the average japanese earn at the moment. >_<
(ID #440381) Posted on 2009/01/08 21:53
funny that before the world caught up with wallst crash around 3-4mnths ago, the aus dollar had close to a 1-1 with 100yen, now being only 64yen per aus dollar ... it removes any notion of future travel
(ID #440394) Posted on 2009/01/08 22:02
五〇一軍团 TK8316 Singapore Garrison Public Relations Officer
that is a lot of money already bro. >_<
(ID #440576) Posted on 2009/01/09 01:35
College Student
For me, "cost of living" has nothing to do with why these Japanese women would require such a huge amount of money. I think it's more of a "cost of lifestyle" thing. To put it more bluntly i guess these women are in just for the "material comfort" of what a marriage can bring, not the real deal of it. Here in my country, the estimated annual salary of an average employee is just 180,000 pesos or at an equivalent of 350840.3272 yen. If a couple both have jobs, then that would make it at 701680.6544 yen. And yet i can't help but wonder why a lot people in my country still get married, and raise a family together to the end of life. I guess we really only need money to survive and feed ourselves. But it's love that we need to make life worth living and remembering.
(ID #440396) Posted on 2009/01/08 22:03
I am fine with just three meals ^^;
(ID #440416) Posted on 2009/01/08 22:33
Kawaii Pink Stuffs FanGirl, Cat Lover, Otaku, MP3 Hunter, Matcha & Afternoon Milk Tea Addict.
Income is important (especially if one of them is a house-wife/husband)...but not as important as character / personality when it comes to choose ur partner for a marriage :D
(ID #440455) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:15
student....
some women in general(no offence to those who don't comply by the *generalised term*) work 4 a living b4 gettin married n just wan lay back n relax dun giv me all tat crap about bein a house maker n having the rite to anythin,it's a materialistic world,woman aim 4 high income generating guys.the fact is tat these woman r actin on the 1st step of the maslow's theory of needs,bt wat happens once shelter is aquired do they slack the rest of thier lives away?the thruth is although money is a nessasry evil tat does not comprimise for the fact tat the woman of the household has no responibilities,ot's jus as well as sayin thier good 4 nthin but givin birth to babies n bein a domestic helper no offense bt ofcourse if the male counter part is able to provide by all means tat is the norm bt when it all goes wrong i jus hope tat the male jus doesnt get all the blame,well this can be argued by either side of the fence bt i'm always in conflict wit the feminists in class haha
(ID #440457) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:16
judging by income marriage? that's harsh
(ID #440460) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:17
Student, part-time Haruhi wannabe (that bit about godhood etc)
Strange- I see piles of comments, but the counter is still at zero...
(ID #440478) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:38
Student, Otaku, She-Geek(Sheek lol)
Incomes not how I'd choose a partner lol. Just an average income, to live comfortably with is fine. Of course marrying a rich husband wouldn't be a bad thing, but its not how I'd make my choices lol, since I plan on working anyways.
(ID #440486) Posted on 2009/01/08 23:45
I hate to break it to everybody but "love first" is more like "love is nice but not necessary". I have done close to 100 girls-night-out parties and this question is always discussed. The majority always go with money and social position over love. We may be at the top of the food chain but we are still part of it. The females of any species always choose the best possible male available. Humans are no different. The numbers on Japanese woman show that. It's just life.
(ID #440549) Posted on 2009/01/09 01:02
五〇一軍团 TK8316 Singapore Garrison Public Relations Officer
a guy might not be rich in terms of dollar and cents but he might be rich in character, rich in humor, rich in sensitivity etc. that's attributes what a girl likes in a guy (right?) ^^;
(ID #440572) Posted on 2009/01/09 01:28
A husband with high income != guaranteed ever-after happiness. There was a lady in my previous office who had a very rich husband. She wore designer clothes, drove fancy cars, but I doubt she was truly happy. The husband had mistresses left AND right ^^; I suppose marrying a rich husband is a cookie-cutter path to a comfortable, if not lavish, lifestyle, which probably explains why many want it.
(ID #440598) Posted on 2009/01/09 02:03
Regardless of what these statistics tell us, there is always an exception. I'm sure you could meet someone who wanted even more money and prestige out of her partner. And some who wouldn't care at all. I'm the kind of person who despises money. Folks may say it is necessary to survive, but i can see Amish houses from window....those folks don't use much if any money. They grow there own food, build their own, etc. Sure it may not be glorious, but if the economy collapses and the world goes to hell, it won't affect those people at all.
(ID #440618) Posted on 2009/01/09 02:21
Income of partner wouldn't be a factor, but the education (or lack there of) would be. I like them smart:)
(ID #440631) Posted on 2009/01/09 02:31
Executive Seneschal of the Third Ward
Maybe I should broadcast louder that I am a principle partner in a multi-national company... （ ´∀｀）
(ID #440645) Posted on 2009/01/09 02:39
Money shouldnt be a factor, atleast for me that is. The only thing that really matters is, that the husband or wife you have is sweet and kind and loves you from the bottom of the heart and ofcourse she/he has to look cute if possible :P Ofcourse money is an extra and it will help you a lot, but it's only paper... and beside's... you wont marry someone because of the money right -_- ?
(ID #440673) Posted on 2009/01/09 03:17
Hmm.. A partner is all about the love between each other. Heritage, race or money doesn't matter imho.
(ID #440716) Posted on 2009/01/09 04:15
My boyfriend thinks we should wait to marry till he has a house bought already. I told him I don't care as long as we have enough to eat and some kind of roof over our heads. It's definitely the love that matters the most; the money is secondary.
(ID #440745) Posted on 2009/01/09 05:02
I say since you classify yourself as "Mom" then I presume your boyfriend to be a dad. To me that would be reason enough to get married. To me not getting married is a sign that you are unsure if you will stay together and if that is the case then you shouldn't have children. If you get children then you already said yes. I know that some people will consider this old fashioned but I think it's teh key to the stability you want to give to children. Also the law usually don't care for commonlaw marriages even if they have children while it cares for real marriages. An example is that the law regarding the police is from the time when the man supposed a housewife who lived on his income. This means that even today if a policeman is killed in action then the state will support the wife financially. If they are just living together without being married then she gets nothing. The law is full of stuff like this so usually it's a good idea to get married if you are sure you found the right one.
(ID #440920) Posted on 2009/01/09 08:18
This fits well with women living with their parents at age 30+ with no expenses and no plan to move so the income from their full time job is for pleasures only. To me it sounds like spoiled girls growning up and not realising what the real world is like. This makes me wonder. Maybe I should be more careful against women like that since it's actually realistic that I get on the good side of the 7 million yen within a year. It's actually a scary thought if I end up with somebody who takes me for the money D:
(ID #440905) Posted on 2009/01/09 08:02
imo, the finances of the other person should be a factor in consideration but not solely the ONLY factor...love alone cannot keep your stomach full
(ID #440928) Posted on 2009/01/09 08:26
Air Transportation Journeyman
How disappointing, I am really shocked.
(ID #440940) Posted on 2009/01/09 08:37
Wow, it's almost as if they don't care who they marry as long as he has money. Me thinks their standards might be a little too high.
(ID #441081) Posted on 2009/01/09 10:49
Hey girls, stop fantasizing! LOL! And what do we guys fantasize about? LOL!! Okay about the article, hmmm I think that's a bit too high. First of all I find women who only marries for money sort of unattractive in nature although they may seem attractive on the outside. Also if they will only marry guys who makes that much, does it mean they don't care about the guy as long as they get the money? Hmmm seems like someone got themselves a selfish wife. I on the other hand would prefer to look someone who likes me for me, not the money. Money does matter but if it's number one in a relationship then I think one of the two would be depressed later on in life.
(ID #441264) Posted on 2009/01/09 13:10
im a boy but, yes income is a factor 0_o it's obvious i mean who would want to raise a children when they don't have a decent job o_O me, i plan to get a good job before getting married
(ID #441607) Posted on 2009/01/09 18:26
Hey, Japanese girls!!! What about to marry an Italian guy with a good job? Here I am! :D
(ID #441684) Posted on 2009/01/09 20:33
That so suxs...for the guys...
(ID #441740) Posted on 2009/01/09 21:40
Well, it depends on the people, of course! There are some who want marriage only ONLY because of the green! But for others money aren't the main idea in the marriage. I would never want to live with a woman who's interested only in the money! No, thanks!
(ID #441822) Posted on 2009/01/09 23:52
Air Transportation Journeyman
Look its not about the money you make or the job you have, that's not a healthy reason to live for or get married for. Being infatuated with materiality is not the healthy way to be. Happiness is not the fancy lap top or lavish residence, its the experience you have here on Earth. Do what you love and live your life around it, its the only way to be truly happy. When you meet your wife/husband there should be no compromise only the emotion of unconditional love. Happiness is what should drive you not the materials that you are told you should have to be happy. The best things in life are not 'things' but rather, people, places, and emotions. We evolved from nature and in nature no "material" existed only nature, so to believe that material things will make you happy is only because you have been brainwashed to believe it will because the corporations tell you to. Ugg rhetorical but you get the idea.
(ID #447546) Posted on 2009/01/14 15:39
While I can understand that money is important (after all, we live in a very materialistic world and society), if it was up to me, I'd consider income as a 2nd or 3rd factor. The first factor is obvious, whether you plainly like the person or not. If I was truly in love, I wouldn't care if her current income is lacking, but I would definitely make an effort to help her improve her current income.
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