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Fri 2007/12/07 02:01
Photo of a naked lady taken in Makuhari. I've always wondered what the philosophy is behind allowing a naked statue like this iron lady to be placed in public for all to see - including kids.
Thought it would be interesting to discuss why most folks don't make a fuss when they see stuff like the iron lady in public, and yet like to comment and send me mail about the "NSFW" photos of naked figures on this site.
Both Sonsaku and the iron lady have been sculpted by hand and are naked - the iron lady is actually full frontal naked. Sonsaku does indeed have bigger eyes but should that make her more NSFW than the statue in public?
Some may say that Sonsaku is the sexiest out of the two but shouldn't that be a matter of taste?
Is it OK for the iron lady to be in public because she is made of iron just like the mermaid statue in Denmark?
Or is it because Sonsaku has been painted?
Was just thinking about all those oil paintings of naked women in galleries and the statues of naked men in Italy - could be because the iron lady is considered as "art" ? But I personally consider figures like Sonsaku to be works of art too.
Would you mind 1/1 scale statues of naked Sonsaku placed in public in your region?
Do you already have naked statues in your region?
All questions which could generate interesting responses - whats your take?
Both Sonsaku and the iron lady have been sculpted by hand and are naked - the iron lady is actually full frontal naked. Sonsaku does indeed have bigger eyes but should that make her more NSFW than the statue in public?
Some may say that Sonsaku is the sexiest out of the two but shouldn't that be a matter of taste?
Is it OK for the iron lady to be in public because she is made of iron just like the mermaid statue in Denmark?
Or is it because Sonsaku has been painted?
Was just thinking about all those oil paintings of naked women in galleries and the statues of naked men in Italy - could be because the iron lady is considered as "art" ? But I personally consider figures like Sonsaku to be works of art too.
Would you mind 1/1 scale statues of naked Sonsaku placed in public in your region?
Do you already have naked statues in your region?
All questions which could generate interesting responses - whats your take?
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I really don't see what the big deal is about the naked body. I could never grasp why something that is beautiful and is a fundamental requirement to the continued existence of humanity needs to be covered up and hidden away.
(ID #66211) Posted on 2007/12/07 01:51
VF-25 Pilot. Universariate Scholar.
hmm i guess that this problem lies with the shallow understanding most people have of the world of otakuism. they perceived it all to be childish fun enjoyed by adults and when they see naked figures or NSFW pics they feel that it is perverted and just plain wrong. For example, Kasukabe-san's reaction when Madarame explains otakuism to her in Genshiken season 1(ep2 i guess)
(ID #66212) Posted on 2007/12/07 01:56
Web Design & Development
If it weren't for the need to keep ourselves warm, humans would never have invented clothing and we'd all be walking around naked right now. Much of my views on things, by the vast majority of society in this country, are viewed is inappropriate. Centrally though, it's just a matter of people not fully understanding human nature and thinking something is wrong simply because they don't understand it. I personally make a point of trying everything that isn't illegal for myself so I can properly understand what the meaning is behind it, rather than just accepting someone else's biased and likely uneducated opinion of it.
(ID #66215) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:22
Dropping computers, starting all over again at Journalism
It would take a while to get used to, but no problems here. As long as otaku public fapping stays forbiden, no problems! :P I may sound kinda square-ish here, but I think some things are still best left permited strictly behind closed doors.
(ID #66216) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:29
anime/cosplay events organizer
there's a fine line between art and pornography i have no idea if religion has got to do with it but i think being in a roman catholic country, i don't think people wouldn't mind having a naked 1/1 Sonsaku figure and if there is one, someone somewhere who has a closed, narrow and shallow mind will protest and stop at nothing and even use the name of the Christian God just to get rid of what they consider as "pornography" i on the other hand wouldn't mind a naked 1/1 Sonsaku figure in public and if ever i have my own building, i'll just place it inside my building and marvel at the art ^__^
(ID #66217) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:29
I agree... Although I think Sonsaku looks great I don't think it would be appropriate. The Iron Girl is more classical art where the anime chick is more provocative and new age. Hard for society to swallow controversial ideas that are new...LOL!!
(ID #66218) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:33
I got another question (take this as retorical or not): would a statue of sonsaku be any more acceptable if it were also sculpted in iron (or whatever non-flesh colour material) and posted in a plainly non-sexual pose? I think context plays a lot in deciding what is NSFW.
(ID #66219) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:37
ZB in Minnesota, USA
ZB's wife posting: One might at first think, "well the iron lady has more artistic merit. The Sonsaku is made purely for titillation (pun intended)," but then one needs to remember that the following art works, now considered "fine art", were created 150 years ago, by men, also for their pornographic qualities: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ingre,_Grande_Odalisque.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Manet%2C_Edouard_-_Le_D%C3%A9jeuner_sur_l%27Herbe_%28The_Picnic%29_%281%29.jpg /art history lesson ^_^
(ID #66221) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:42
I would mind because Ikkitousen wasn't very good.
(ID #66222) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:55
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
Anyone watches the simpsons back in the 90's there's an episode that covers (pun not intended) this. somewhere in the second season titled "itchy, scratchy and marge". In the end Marge says something like, it is hypocritical to be against one form of expression and support another. ^^ just my two pennies worth on the subject.
(ID #66223) Posted on 2007/12/07 02:57
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
oh, it might be important to mention that on the episode, folks of springfield wanted to put jeans on Michelangelo's reinassance statue: David.
(ID #66224) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:01
High School Graduate... Now what?
My parents own a shop and frequently we get these kinds of statues. I get very annoyed that these things are in a public mall... and it irked me for a bit because I had to move these things in and out of the shop... Like at one point, in order to move one of he statues out, I had "her" in a position on the cart that shows off the one heck of a moon. Talk about full moons, heavy white plaster or something of the sort; didn't like the stares and lulz (now I'm just used to it). I really appreciate some sort of censorship like that Mirai mark. Me, I prefer a toga party. It works like a charm. As for the David statue we have... I wish I actually had jeans for him. That'd be cool and lolz, no doubt. But in the meanwhile, we're stuck with a loincloth.
(ID #66229) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:16
It's a rock. What's the big deal?
(ID #66232) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:31
In France, you can see naked bodies everywhere like poster advertising in the streets (bus stop, on buildings) for body products, perfum, lingery etc... No sexual meaning (most of the time) but just beauty. It is pretty casual for french people and for most of the latin culture I guess. Nudes are the pinacle of art: think about the David by Michelangelo, this painting by Courbet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Origine_du_monde) which made a big scandal but which is now displayed in museum, or more recetly, the work of Spencer Tunik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Tunick)... I personnaly think it is a way to educate society (children) and to de-mystifize the human body and sexuallity. As consequences, no need to censure movies (eg. "Lust, Caution" has no age limit in France, but is rated R21 in S'pore !) or have sex at 14. Of course you have to protect children but at least, it is not taboo, people get educated enough. In singapore, on the other hand, no tits anyhere !
(ID #66233) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:42
For me it would depend on the pose. I mean, wouldn't we all gag if there were naked statues of Paris Hilton or Brittney Spears' in their most lewd or disgusting poses?
(ID #66234) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:46
Bellow links without the ")" should work better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Origine_du_monde http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Tunick Sorry '~'
(ID #66235) Posted on 2007/12/07 03:47
In down town Calgary, there are these huge bronze status, they are like really really skinny man and women, they all got weird looking stuff hanging out
(ID #66236) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:13
I don't think there's anything like this in Los Angeles. I definately wouldn't mind if they put up 1:1 statues of Sonsaku, I'd be eating lunch there every day.
(ID #66237) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:22
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
I guess it's simply because figures like Sonsaku hasn't been around for longer or hasn't been socialized as much as things like that statue? I mean, legend like Michaelangelo made a naked man statue (was it David?), and that probably has some impact on how people on general view naked statue.
(ID #66238) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:25
There's like naked statues around my campus and no one is complaining...Yes on Sonsaku...
(ID #66239) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:28
To clarify I meant I'd like a 1/1 Sonsaku very much...
(ID #66240) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:30
Interesting story: There was an art contest when I was in High School, and for the project I did a picture of an room full of equipment and monitors, with a glowing pad in the center, underneath huge rods and cables hanging from the ceiling. In the center, there are two figures glowing like ephemreal specters.. naked. Now, Im in the highest art level, in a college credited class, submitting artwork into a NATIONAl competition. My teacher refused to submit it (since only one person from the class was allowed).. the person that was allowed, refused to submit theirs saying it would be a shame not to submit mine. The teacher finally relented and submitted it, saying there is no way it will win because it has a naked man and woman in the picture. So not only did it win the state competition (bite me teach) it won the national competition! I saw these naked figures as artwork, the teacher saw them as NSFartwork.
(ID #66241) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:31
End result, we are all grownups here, or almost.. even if we dont act like it. Beauty is beauty and art is art. If someone doesnt like it then go sit in a corner and cry. I just dont want to hear it.
(ID #66243) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:32
marvin (Registered on 2006/12/25 00:54)
hey Dragun, sounds like an interesting painting, you got a photo link of it?
(ID #66244) Posted on 2007/12/07 04:56
art is art and ero is ero, people will complain no matter what.
(ID #66246) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:11
College Student
A 1/1 scale of Hakufu sounds really good! Actually, im turning in a casted off picture of Hakufu for my Photography Project tomorrow. Its a slide film so it will be in the projector. i wonder what my class would say? ^^; On topic, to me, figure IS art. I mean come on, It is a sculpture! Sculpture is art right? I believe so. On the other note, isn't the first people on Earth, Adam and Eve, naked? So i don't get why people get offended by naked sculptures and naked people?
(ID #66247) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:20
What bugs me the most in most societies is that contradictory view on sexuality and nudity. Erotism is obviously something that should not be accessible to children to not corrupt their still immature mind, they say (For example,the killer question on how offspring is created is generally answered with a big lie or distant comparison). However, at least two points destroy that logic: - The first one is art. It is funny to see that certain Roman and Greek gods were barely clothed (Aphrodite/Venus being the most obvious example), as well as athletes and that representations of sexuality were not much hidden at times. You just can't ignore that when you study those civilizations, right? - The second one is the representation of women in media. Some commercials are of course right to show some human skin (Do you take a bath in swimwear?) while others are completely going off the (Mirai) mark. Using scantily clad and well-built (fake? superficial?) people to sell a certain product implies a created connection between our earthly desires for sexuality and impulsive purchase. Funny isn't it? Those commercials are even aired at peak hours, so "protecting fragile people from impulses" becomes quite out of the question. Anyway, even if kids are more or less banned to be in contact with erotic and/or pornographic content, a good part of them "finely" do get back to it during adolescence, sometimes with disastrous consequences. Lost in my logic? Well, I just wanted to show how things can sometimes be accepted and tolerated in certain conditions, while being subject to controversy and public argument in others. Quite a debate on life and sexuality, on how we should deny or accept the part of us that belongs to nature (as living beings with sexual reproduction) and the ideas of shame and beauty that are associated with that.
(ID #66248) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:41
Marvin, I wish I did. Its hanging in a frame at my parents house. They wouldnt let me take it when I bought my own place. If anyone is interested I can go snap a pic of it and post it somewhere.
(ID #66249) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:46
And I think that the differentiation between ero and art is the message implied behind the sculpture/painting/photo/drawing, etc. You will always have people going back at you for random reasons anyway... Ignorance, confusion, cultural mentalities, values, attitudes and beliefs are the main points to consider when creating or advertising something with certain nakedness.
(ID #66250) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:50
D_Blade, D'accord. When I went to Italy, there were nude statues of men and women everywhere. It was art, the most amazing artwork of its time.. from Bernini, to Michelangelo, and even Raphael. If someone considers this Ero, or pornographic.. you then there is nothing wrong with you that reincarnation cant fix. This is why I agree with Danny showing nude pictures.. its natural, and theres nothing wrong with it. Unless you are very overweight.. or a guy.. or .. old. Hmmmm. Lol, j/k
(ID #66251) Posted on 2007/12/07 05:51
Well DRAGUN, the most crucial part in joining one side or the other is education (Sometimes conditioning takes its place). If you have been told by your parents, religion, the community, etc. that nudity is evil and you never question it, go against it, accept that it is part of life or let others go their merry way, chances are that you will go against any representation of human people with some lack of clothes. On the other side, if you have learned that sexuality is okay in certain conditions and not in others, morality and respect come into play. Quite some headache-inducing debate, I reckon. ^^;
(ID #66252) Posted on 2007/12/07 06:07
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
When talking about cultural differences like this, I always think about the old saying "when in rome, act like the romans"
(ID #66253) Posted on 2007/12/07 06:26
Student, Photographer, Paintballer,
Is this what encourages people to streak? I know it doesn't where I come from. lol D_Blade, sexuality is one thing and it can be displayed as art without much being said. But there's a line between a human displaying it in public; where some see it as indecent rather than just plain wrong, and practicing it in the privacy of one's home (or other locale in private); which is accepted so that others won't have to witness such intimate acts. Like I always say, "Whatever turns you on..."
(ID #66255) Posted on 2007/12/07 06:49
i want sonsaku 1:1 in my room XD
(ID #66256) Posted on 2007/12/07 06:53
Jonny Boy, of course you're right, unless you shout on top of all roofs that sexuality is wrong and you're a perverted beast. Ah, hypocrisy, when you plague our world... ;)
(ID #66257) Posted on 2007/12/07 06:59
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
Johnny boy, The thing is, that line between art and naughtiness seems to differ between cultures. Like in Arab where women must wear mask that covers their entire face but the eyes, and wear very long gown that covers their entire body.
(ID #66259) Posted on 2007/12/07 07:16
Part trooper, part -timer, 100% loser...
Are you out of your mind? If they put a 1/1 figure of Sonsaku in public, I'll be the first one to grab it and bring it to my home... I don't think there's any wrong in putting statues of naked guys or girls in public but it will be really awkward... People think it is wrong because they don't trully understand or don't even want to try to understand it... If the public don't mind seeing statues/sculptures of naked guys/gals then 1/1 figures of Sonsaku or any other character is acceptable right? Both are considered art right? I guess some will still deny that figures are art but I think anime/manga/figures should also be considered art/an artform because we are passionate about them just like artists are passionate about drawing naked people... Do I even make sense?
(ID #66260) Posted on 2007/12/07 07:37
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
OK.. so maybe when most baby boomer and generation X members retires from their roles in the society, and people from generation Y start to replace them, we'll have 1:1 figure on Sonsaku in public. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_x http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boomer
(ID #66261) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:05
I think that naked sculptures can be either consider as art or ero, depending on how an individual views it. If one has a purely peverted mind, even normal sculptures can be thought of as something ero.
(ID #66262) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:06
It is sad that depictions of violence are much more readily accepted then nudity (I am not refering to pornography). be it in art, movies or television.
(ID #66264) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:28
I guess it's really simple for me to decide. If get if turns me on then its consider NSFW If it doesnt then its SFW In this case, its pretty obvious. 1/1 Sonsaku would definitely be a "turn on" , while something like iron lady will not be at all. Not even a single bit.
(ID #66265) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:30
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
iMM I would just like to mention that there are numbers of places where depiction of violence isn't readily accepted, such as in Indonesia. Do you know that we can't have Berserk (Kentaro Miura) published legally here? Strangely though, we can have Claymore (Norihiri Yagi) published legally.. I had arguments with the publisher company (elex media komputindo) in their forum, and made the moderators there mad, because I was so stubborn and keep insisting them to publish Berserk.
(ID #66266) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:43
what does NSFW mean?
(ID #66267) Posted on 2007/12/07 08:44
random hiki
@ nara NSFW = "not safe for work" basically something you shouldn't watch on your laptop when your boss could be looking over your shoulder. @ Benjamin Takeyo is it also in indonesia that the public display of cannons and other war equipment, that is common place in many countries in europe, would be considered extremely offensive? Maybe European culture is still liberal towards nude statues cause of the half-naked guy displayed in churches, that wouldn't be considered sexual for most people.. ^^;
(ID #66268) Posted on 2007/12/07 09:26
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
@random hiki Never heard of cannon or any other war-equipment displays being offensive here, well, we actually fire cannons (13 times if I remember) to welcome Vladimir Putin in Jakarta during his visit there.
(ID #66269) Posted on 2007/12/07 09:35
Why is a naked body considered "obscene" per se in some places? On the other hand, you can't compare the naked lady statue with the Sonsaku figure. The Sonsaku figure clearly has an "erotic" pose an attitude (wich may be be seen as "obscene" by some people), the naked lady is just a naked woman in a cool pose, like if she is celebrating life. This "nudity is wrong for kids" debate that pops in from time to time makes me think that there's something wrong about not having a problem with kids seeing pools of blood or violence on the screen but being horrified because of them seeing a naked body, or even just a part of a naked body. I remember the stupid debate about the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction" incident or the censorship in japan with depiction of genitals.
(ID #66271) Posted on 2007/12/07 10:25
I say, the more nudity the better. It's about time humans got over their silly body taboos.
(ID #66272) Posted on 2007/12/07 10:40
Hangmen13 in Sabah, Malaysia, but now studying in KL (still the same country) (Registered on 2007/04/21 22:31)
Aimless Traveler
Moral fags will go nuts if such statues were erected in my country.
(ID #66273) Posted on 2007/12/07 10:51
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
Hangmen13, Yeah, I understand, there are lotsa moral fags too here, in Indonesia. I don't know why. Is it because our countries are both muslim?
(ID #66276) Posted on 2007/12/07 11:31
i've never seen one with my own eyes and also exactly in front of me. but not from other media(like this one). but wtf is that. well i know women are the most beautiful thing in the world but they're not supposed becomes subject for male. it's not appropriate. if u ask me it's better not using iron but using the same material used for action figure and of course sexy sexyer and sexiest pose. u may think i'm weird saying like this but i don't like doing halfway( in this case just naked, even in detail) i like more vulgar and more through.
(ID #66280) Posted on 2007/12/07 13:53
ひまななし
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(ID #66283) Posted on 2007/12/07 14:50
I consider those naked statues and oil paintings ancient porn. Its not like they dont wear clothes back in those times so why paint/sculpt naked bodies? Because they know sex sells and since printing magazines where not available at that time (until China exported the printing skill to the west) so oil painting and statues would just have to do the job.
(ID #66285) Posted on 2007/12/07 15:09
random hiki
I think the most famous naked subjects in the beginning of oil painting were adam and eve.
(ID #66287) Posted on 2007/12/07 15:55
五〇一軍团 TK8316 Singapore Garrison Public Relations Officer
i didn't see any naked female statues in singapore (or probably i didn't explore singapore much, any other singaporean care to correct me?). i guess it might raise concerns if there are naked female statues around outdoors over here. afterall singapore is still a pretty conservative country.
(ID #66290) Posted on 2007/12/07 16:25
website/graphic designer
@Kururu_luva: I agree with your explanation, but I wouldn't have put in the same way, lol. Basically I think it depends on the context of the work. If the original purpose is to entice, then I wouldn't want it anywhere where I could see it. Otherwise, if it's to inform me of something, history, or otherwise, then I couldn't really argue against it. And even though medical texts and diagrams are 2d, couldn't you also compare them to 2d ero publications as you've compared the 3d subjects?
(ID #66291) Posted on 2007/12/07 16:33
Polytechnic Senior, Bronze Lifesaving Trainee, Mech Designer, Pokemon Indexer.
Britannian King Voice: The naked Sonsaku statues are a must-have! It is an order!! Seriously, the difference is that the iron lady is art from the past; you know, from the hands of a master, yadayada... Sonsaku is generally viewed as "just a figurine" by the public. Telling people who don't see anime/manga/figure sculpting/anything else that is new-age as a form of art is like I'm telling you: Hey, my Power Ranger Megazord is a work of art too! Display it! (Again in the Britannian King Voice)
(ID #66292) Posted on 2007/12/07 16:40
Well im from denmark and there are aleast 3-4 statues in my town (and its not the capital town with the little mermaid) i know off with full frontal or a little leaf covering the genitals. I dont think theres anything wrong with it, though there certainly are some people the find it offensive. Usually i suppose it is because the mermaid and/or the ohter statues are replicas or orginals of a famous and commonly accept artist (like thorvald or ohter famous ancient sculptors) and i do also beleive that they give of another image than sonsakfu would, since they somehow dont seem to try and pull attention to the fact they are naked, unlike sonsafu who clearly is. That being said i wouldn't mind a 1/1 scale figure of sonsafu in my town.
(ID #66293) Posted on 2007/12/07 16:43
Programmer, student, i try to do both, Otaku style
I to is from Denmark. And what i think Tanario, is trying to say is that, the background behind the figure creates the hatred/passiveness, the Mermaid has been seen as a cultural object for us Danes, and Sonsaku is, how i understood it, as a sexual object. The logic here is completely retareded, but it seems to be common agreement that naked iron statues by famous artist are not perverted, but small beautifull almost perfect dolls are.
(ID #427277) Posted on 2008/12/28 07:27
Programmer, student, i try to do both, Otaku style
Also apperently Danny convienced a lot of people that Hawt figuriens are acceptable in public - well that is atleast what the poll says.
(ID #427279) Posted on 2008/12/28 07:29
4th Year Business Economics Student
I wouldn't mind if a naked 1/1 Sonsaku statue would be placed in my town (hell, she can even stand in my yard XD), but I know a lot of people (especially elder religious people) would seriously complain. =_= We have two (or perhaps more, I don't know) statues in my town, a statue with a little girl on a pony and a statue with a man on a bull, but I don't know if they're naked since I've never looked closely to them. =S
(ID #66294) Posted on 2007/12/07 17:57
Can I have Kanu as well? and while we're at it can we also add Ryofu, Ryomou etc.
(ID #66295) Posted on 2007/12/07 18:15
.NET/Web Developer
I'd say it's all about the presentation of the naked object and how the people looks at the object. It's like putting up a 1/1 scale statue of kanou or other scantily clad naked figures in a town full of otakus and you won't see anybody complaining ^^
(ID #66298) Posted on 2007/12/07 19:55
Danny - interesting that you should mention kids in the original post. I always wonder just what it is that we adults think we should be protecting kids from when it comes to the naked human form. Many of those same kids will go home and listen to Gangster Rap advocating rape, murder, gun violence, homophobia, etc. Personally, I'd rather have my kids viewing naked models than being corrupted by certain musical genres.
(ID #66299) Posted on 2007/12/07 20:14
no i wouldn't mind!! i mean why should i mind?? it's just a statue right?
(ID #66302) Posted on 2007/12/07 21:07
she make me long time!
(ID #66305) Posted on 2007/12/07 22:23
The difference between the two is that statue is classed as art and a pvc figure isn't although that is not what i personaaly believe. They are both forms of art in my eyes.
(ID #66306) Posted on 2007/12/07 22:47
In the Medieval and Renaissance periods, naked statues and paintings were not seen as anything bad. The prudish and puritanical ideas about nudity didn't really get started in Western civilization until the Victorian Era. I agree with Lunch. Kids shouldn't be taught that the human body is shameful, or that sexuality is wicked. That's unhealthy and delusional.
(ID #66308) Posted on 2007/12/07 23:39
Did everyone know that the Sistine Chapel the Michelangelo painted was painted with nudes? Thats until some uptight clergyman decided that it had to be painted over to cover the naked forms. Michelangelo refused to do it and painted the clergyman being attacked by the demons in hell to forever immortilized. Nice.
(ID #66309) Posted on 2007/12/08 00:59
*that Michelangelo painted.... sry.
(ID #66310) Posted on 2007/12/08 01:00
IT TechGuy
It would be a disaster if something like this showing in the public. Not to mention if you live in ?Muslim countries.
(ID #66361) Posted on 2007/12/08 11:04
Hangmen13 in Sabah, Malaysia, but now studying in KL (still the same country) (Registered on 2007/04/21 22:31)
Aimless Traveler
Benjamin Takeyo: religion is one factor. Another is people's attitude. If people from a certain country is of a morally conservative society, chances are you won't see sculptures like those downtown, and any attempt of displaying it in public may attract anger and outrage. I personally think every country in Southeast Asia is conservative (maybe not Thailand?) not necessarily because of religion, but because they were not prepared to open up on objects or subjects related to sex and nudity. It'll probably take another generation or two to fix that and hopefully, with the rising attitude of liberalism in SE Asia's new generation, all that will change in the future. Even though I'm a Muslim myself, I'm quite open to these things, and I surely don't want a parliament filled with conservative 'village elders' in the future. (>__
(ID #66368) Posted on 2007/12/08 12:27
ひきこもり/Hikikomori. Suits my current state more than a 大学生/University Student. ^^
Hangmen13, Yes, it's not necessarily caused by religion, but I believe religion plays a rather significant role here (in Indonesia and Malaysia). You know, how strict muslim can be in regards to display of human skin (that's not necessarily a bad thing though, in some cases it might be good).
(ID #66371) Posted on 2007/12/08 14:01
Visual Communications and Web 2.0
There are many reasons for it probably from art the point there are naked sculptures everywhere in the world. hehe I person do not find it that shocking. If a kids see it, the most likely reaction they will get is that they do not understand it. lol I believe as an artist myself, this art work is created to create a reaction from a person. A shock treatment for those who do not like such thing been displayed in public place and create some sort of reaction. After all this is what art is about, reaction.
(ID #66377) Posted on 2007/12/08 16:06
Student
Well, I personally think that its a form of perception by different people. Just use a clean/healthy mindset to treat the statue or figurine as a form art.
(ID #66381) Posted on 2007/12/08 17:38
Being online for such a long time and seeing the kinds of things I've seen and hearing the kinds of things I've heard (a lot of it negative), I've concluded people attitudes towards things like this have changed. early on peoples impressions on nudity was very different. This day and age people may look at it more as being sexually deviant than artistic, because were surrounded by it everyday, though the internet and advertisements. and only time will tell if it's for the positive or negative.
(ID #66449) Posted on 2007/12/10 00:14
I would really like to see the poll broken down by gender, that would make for some interesting results especially from a site such as this.
(ID #66451) Posted on 2007/12/10 00:18
In a museum I don't mind if there is a naked statue but in the street I think that it's a bit exposing... It's funny how the human has a bent mind : "children should'nt see naked before 18" and "lets put a naked statue in the middle of the plaza" It's the same thing everywhere in all countries
(ID #66531) Posted on 2007/12/10 20:03
Forgot to say... I love otaku and naked... my fav on DC.com is the figures and idols, but then again I see it because I ask for it, not because it's in put before me
(ID #66532) Posted on 2007/12/10 20:04
High School Student, College student, Part-time Ninja
There is a huge differnt between artistic nudity and sexualy nudity. NUDITY DOES NOT EQUAL TO LUST!!!!! The human body is beautiful, and should be respected like painting done by Davinci, your parent, or your country's flag. What socity need is to accept artistic nudity. We are all human that have the same body parts, so why be ashame of our own body?
(ID #67084) Posted on 2007/12/16 04:55
Web Designer
Well... did you feel something when you see the oposite sex in nudity? Did you feel like your adrenaline runs so fast? I do. That's what i called normal. That's why I think viewing nudity in public is forbid to prevent some crazy wolf attack the lamb. A clear mind? well I don't think so. If I always try to clear my mind when I see girls nude (real girls, statues, figures) in front of me, that would make me "have no reaction" whenever I see nudity. I think a girl with clothes also MOE~
(ID #68953) Posted on 2008/01/08 05:37
Well... if one gets an adrenaline rush by looking at bronze figures, that could not be called 'normal', especially when it triggers an 'attack'. Don't associate nudity with something dirty. Why is it shameful? Why don't we forbid food shows, for example - the crowd could go wild of a hunger! Oh, just by look it these juicy stakes and fruits... What's the difference? These are basic instincts! Understanding them and behaving properly separates man from the beast. BTW, if you like SciFi read S. Lem's review of Merrill's "Sexplosion", it's just a few pages. I guess, you can't suit all the people. There will always be those who don't like the subject no mater what the subject is.
(ID #70174) Posted on 2008/01/19 18:03
One of the delicious ironies of the Bush Administration is that during its early days, the Attorney General of the U.S. (whose name I've forgotten) refused to have his picture taken in front of a topless statue of "Justice," requiring it to be covered up (at considerable taxpayer expense, I seem to recall), yet there are lots of topless/"naked" female statues in D.C.
(ID #70293) Posted on 2008/01/21 17:23
Generally I'm against public nudity while I don't mind the old statues. The reason is that the statues act normally and the normally covered parts are just part of the body. Today if somebody makes something exposed then it's most often an act of exhibitionism or meant as a provocation of decent people. The natural view on the human body is rarely seen anymore. I think the reason is that in ancient Greece they didn't have proper clothing so they had to move carefully in order not to end up naked in public by accident. Whenever they had to do something physically like the Olympics they did it naked (hence the reason why women weren't allowed to watch the Olympics). This view of natural nakedness moved on to their statues and much later the upper class in Europe decided to make copying ideas from ancient Greece some kind of fashion. Today we know this as the Renaissance.
(ID #207323) Posted on 2008/06/08 10:23
Sales, Retail
I would NOT mind having a naked 1/1 Sonsaku Hakufu statue with a weapon in her hand in a public place! It'd definitely promote not only the series but it'd also encourage more females to be strong too... strong female leads. I.E: a fully clothed 1/1 Chun Li statue would also be nice...
(ID #292508) Posted on 2008/09/06 08:50
Did you find something weird in naked statues? Just remember the Manneken Pis! It has become the symbol of the Brussel and the favorite place for tourists.
(ID #404917) Posted on 2008/12/09 22:43
1/ Would you mind 1/1 scale statues of naked Sonsaku placed in public in your region? Nope! 2/ Do you already have naked statues in your region? Sure! In the city park! Actually it all depends on the person's taste and point of view. The "Iron Lady" is art just like Sonsaku! Last month I used reference to draw a half-naked model from a news paper at school. I showed it to some teachers. One of them said that the diference between the two is that mine is art and the photo is more of erotic-orientated stuff. Should I post the drawing? P.S. Hey, Danny, I love the light blue "dannychoo.com" in the TXT_REMOVE_PHOTO_SENSOR! It's somehow really cool! ^-^
(ID #423195) Posted on 2008/12/23 22:33
Daigakusei [Consular and Diplomatic Affairs]
Nekkid Sonsaku statues all around town^^ ehehe
(ID #426981) Posted on 2008/12/27 23:42
Nekkid in public is wrong, but statues.. Who cares? As for Internet content, just gotta state its NSFW so people like me don't get into trouble ^^
(ID #427035) Posted on 2008/12/28 01:01
Full-time student へへ
i think it has to do with suggestive themes in the art.
(ID #427061) Posted on 2008/12/28 01:28
I see the majority of the votes went to 'don't mind' - is it because it's Sonsaku? Let's face it, what if it's a 1:1 naked male character, say, Lelouch? Lols.
(ID #427065) Posted on 2008/12/28 01:30
I think the statues were made at a time when the society was much less prudish. Up to the 80’s it was very common to use nude models in art, regardless of where they were exposed. Take for example David Hamilton[0] photographs. This guy sold millions of books and posters featuring nekkid little girls. However in the 90’s the society started to have a different view on these photographs, and now museums exposing him are often accused to display child porn. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hamilton_(photographer)
(ID #427081) Posted on 2008/12/28 01:55
stereotypes. narrow-mind people. they just blinded by labels "masterpiece" and "classics" enough not to recognise simple and exactly the same background behind Venus de Milo and anime figures. hope one day it will change.
(ID #427137) Posted on 2008/12/28 04:30
Secretary
This reminds me of just about the stupidest thing I've heard. Ok now bear with me, because this is related but not to statues...but to breasts and what people consider "modesty". I'd heard that people shouldn't breastfeed their baby boy (I am not even talking about the slippery slope of breastfeeding in public...this is just in general) because he should NEVER SEE BARE BREASTS. Breasts are made for the purpose of nourishing a child >.< BOY OR GIRL. They are a natural part of the human body and IMO not disgusting. I think that that is along the same lines...people are really touchy about breasts. Sorry about the lengthy rant, but I'm expecting a son in May so I am extra touchy about that subject ^^;; PS. I also think of figures as little works of art. There is definitely a double standard.
(ID #427140) Posted on 2008/12/28 04:50
Bassist / Madman
Naked statues of all kinds promote art as a whole just like any other public art, it keeps us from reverting to bumbling caveman and cavewomen. The more I look at the world and it's big problems [i.e the hairless beach ape call man] a lot the them have roots in old world "cultural" and religious views. I everyone was more accepting of things that are really harmless like say a giant naked Sonsaku even, in the end the worst it would do is make kids ask questions that they will ask anyway, eventually. It's better/healthier then then the 6'O'clock news showing burning bodies, mangled corpses then switching to laundry detergents and car commercials. If you are offended by something like nudity why not ask why, what makes it wrong is in your mind, it is obviously making you think thoughts you don't want to look at.
(ID #427152) Posted on 2008/12/28 05:10
Bassist / Madman
Damn, I need to adjust my key board, it keeps missing things, sorry.
(ID #427159) Posted on 2008/12/28 05:18
Ninja / Engineer / Sensei / 魔法少女 (What!?! I can't be, I'm a guy...)
Maybe one day, people in the future will consider Sonsaku "art" and she will be on public display while other forms of "art" will be considered NSFW.
(ID #427160) Posted on 2008/12/28 05:18
*Cough* No, I would not mind having a naked statue of Sonsaku placed in my region*cough...cough* Anyways, I never understood why a naked statue is acceptable but a if somebody besides a statue(billboards,ads,anime,real people,etc) is even partially nude, then is not acceptable. I would rather have somebody naked on a television program, ad, movie, billboard, etc than all of this violence we have in the USA.
(ID #427198) Posted on 2008/12/28 06:20
Yeah, I never get why animals such as dogs get to run around naked, flapping their ding dong everywhere and can even take a dump in public and no one minds.
(ID #427248) Posted on 2008/12/28 06:59
Medical Engineering Researcher
Hahaha ^_^
(ID #522566) Posted on 2009/03/15 19:04
Working Otaku mom
I don't actually mind naked statues in the middle of town, I see it as an art form, we have a naked lady statue right next to the train depot here. I don't think it matters too much either way... I guess I am just free-minded about the human body...
(ID #427204) Posted on 2008/12/28 06:25
Personally I wouldn't mind. But the place I live in isn't very friendly in my opinion. People would draw graffiti on it and probably throw stuff at it. I wouldn't want something as beautiful as that get destroyed.
(ID #427241) Posted on 2008/12/28 06:56
I wouldn't mind either. Actually all over the Country[in a specific school actually] is a statue of Man bearing his soul to the world.
(ID #427302) Posted on 2008/12/28 08:21
I think that would be a great tourist attraction. Random people would be totally confused if it wasn't a statue type thing. I think it's really that the statue is "art" while sonsaku is a toy. I would prefer a Kanu one more though.
(ID #427319) Posted on 2008/12/28 08:53
Well japan does have crazy ideas that are good ideas so it may happen one day in the future. Ha Ha and a Ha!
(ID #427334) Posted on 2008/12/28 09:31
I wouldn't mind 1/1 naked figures of Sonsaku... I'd love them! x3~~ It's ironic how more and more people considerate a broken dirty canvas "a piece of modern art", but can't see the beauty in a good PVC or resin figure...
(ID #427376) Posted on 2008/12/28 10:37
Student, Bioresearch Assistant, WAVE VP Communications
They got drawings of nekkid people on the walls of our kinesiology building as well as the inside of psychology and biology textbooks. I barely notice them when I see them, so it's not a big deal for me.
(ID #427429) Posted on 2008/12/28 12:09
chocoleaves (Registered on 2008/12/25 17:37)
People shouldn't be offended by any naked figures - we're all human beings, after all... seriously, people need to grow up but, to answer your question "why most folks don't make a fuss when they see stuff like the iron lady in public, and yet like to comment and send me mail about the "NSFW" photos of naked figures on this site?" ... your figures are in full color and focuses/exaggerates on some particular parts of the female figure that makes it almost pornographic.... the statues are very bland in terms of sexual appeal, and most people think of them as symbolic and/or spiritual objects. I think you knew that answer beforehand.
(ID #427449) Posted on 2008/12/28 12:30
Like any other art student out there, I used to spend a good amount of my time drawing strangers in the nude. When it comes time to put that kind of art on display, there's a general acceptance of it because of the way it's been contextualized. It's in a fine art setting, so people usually either think of it as educational or historically based (as in the history of fine art drawing and painting). As soon as you take the nude figure out of the fine art context, people will bring a whole new group of ideas to connect it to. Nudity outside of fine art is trashy, cheap, and readily available. You can get it for free pretty much anywhere. Fine art nudity requires a good model, a skilled artist, and patrons. Commercialized nudity can come from anywhere, and just requires the ever-present consumer. However, as I think anyone here will agree, that's a false assumption. Fine art sculpture or painting might require just as much skill as the kind of sculpture that is eventually sold to a mainstream market. Yet our prejudices die hard, and people will always give nudity within the realm of fine art a free pass simply because it ties us to a history that we cannot retrieve--to the Greeks and the Romans, and the artists of the Renaissance. That's why you'll never see a nude figure in public that references a pop culture icon. People will see the same thing in the statue that they see in pop culture itself: cheap, mass-produced garbage.
(ID #427586) Posted on 2008/12/28 17:33
Hmm, its a matter of taste, I personally don't have anything against having the iron lady or Sonsaku naked statues in a public place. But I think that for some people if they like it, then it's art, but if they don't, then it's indecent and sexist and degrading towards women and ... etc:(
(ID #427721) Posted on 2008/12/28 20:46
JooNkeN (Registered on 2008/04/05 00:52)
The stupid excuse people seem to use for statues such as this, is that it's "art". This doesn't only apply to statues, it applies to literature as well. Erotica novels with no pictures are perfectly legal and many readers have no problem with it if a child reads it. However, they have problems with children reading ecchi manga/comics. Not even ero, mind you. I'm talking like pantsu shots etc, such as from Akamatsu Ken's work. (Love Hina, Negima!) Negima! was originally released as 13+ in America, until some lady was shocked to see her child reading it, and saw a 'naked' (censored) picture of a girl. Now, Negima! ships as 16+ and is shrink-wrapped.
(ID #427723) Posted on 2008/12/28 20:47
Legionnarion_Conquistadorz (Registered on 2008/12/18 20:49)
Student
Well, that's how society "evolved" Such things aren't much a deal in around the era of Romanticism or the likes of it. on a less serious note: a nude sankoku fig? WANT!!! though it'll be awkward when parents are around.
(ID #427744) Posted on 2008/12/28 21:36
uncreative (Registered on 2008/08/16 01:50)
Somebody please think about the children! Oh the humanity!
(ID #427978) Posted on 2008/12/29 04:58
Well when it comes to art versus a live person there is a drastic difference. With art you generally cant touch it and if you do it wont scream pervert and smack you across the face then mace you and call the police. Most everyone can appreciate art and the work that went into creating the piece or pieces that they are viewing, its not easy creating a good piece of art and its even harder to create one that sends your soul to a higher plane. The Greeks in times past have made some of the most beautiful nude sculptures that our world has ever seen out of marble and there are artists that have created similar works out of other mediums over the last 200 years or so. With a naked person its not the same as art no matter if its Angelina Jolie or Megan Fox, when it comes to someone actually walking around nude its not art but there is an exception to the rule and thats still photography. With still photography your capturing a moment in which a world can be expressed in feeling and emotion that otherwise would be lost in live action nude walking. What it comes down to is art wether its sculptures or paintings or photos captures a moment in time and that moment in time is all important for us as humans which is why a large portion of Danny's site is devoted to figures and photo tours. If dannychoo.com was heavily video oriented it wouldnt have the same appeal and personable nature that it has now.
(ID #522716) Posted on 2009/03/15 23:27
graphic designer, dog groomer
We are all naked underneath our clothes. Maybe they don't like naked Sonsaku because they are wishing they could look more like her? Her chest is a bit intimidating. Perhaps she is in a more provocative position and this is the problem? I wouldn't mind naked Sonsaku hanging around in public.
(ID #563793) Posted on 2009/04/15 11:57
i dont see what s the big deal ! we all borned naked. its a beautiful satue.
(ID #598296) Posted on 2009/05/10 01:53
i guess cuz some art is not really all that detailed..................or maybe it is just they are all hypocrites << i say the second one
(ID #617588) Posted on 2009/05/23 09:30
Hmm. Interesting.
(ID #617854) Posted on 2009/05/23 13:51
It's not the nudity that is the problem, it is the sexualized nudity that is a problem. Most nudity in art that is publicly displayed is non-sexualized. I would argue that most figurines have poses and proportions intended to generate more sexual responses than most public art. I agree that figurines are a form of art, but not all art is for the general public. Sex, no matter how much humanity loves it, is still a private, if not taboo subject in most cultures. Nudity is natural and beautiful, but make it sexual and even open minded people might get a little uncomfortable with its display.
(ID #638382) Posted on 2009/06/08 23:39
I guess is if the nudity is suggestive or not. In the iron maiden case is an art but the figure is a fap material lol
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